Mandatory Flu Vaccines- How do you feel? - page 10

by Snowbird17

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Anyone else upset by the requirement to take flu vaccine or else... not even a mask option??? Only way out is a MD note stating "severe" allergy. Why is it we can't force our patients but our hospitals can force us. I am... Read More


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    Obviously, I'm a proponent of the flu vaccine. I guess it comes from years of nursing and seeing elderly and compromised people die from influenza. One who came as close to dying as a person can was my mother who caught the flu at the age of 53 and it progressed to bilateral pneumonia which lead to ARDS which lead to 2 months in ICU on a ventilator and at one time involved 5 chest tubes inserted at the same time. I guess that may have helped develop my strong opinion on the subject.

    I do want to say that I have never thought nor told anyone that the flu shot is 100% effective. I also still wash my hands as I always have and encourage my patients and family to do the same all the time. I also don't believe that my insurance company would pay for everyone to have flu shots so pharmacies can make more money. I believe they pay for it because it saves them money on the other end from people getting really sick with the flu. Don't ask how much my mother's hospital bill was. You don't want to know.

    I'm not a scientist, but I have always been told that they develop the flu vaccine for the upcoming season based on studies of the influenza strain that is in other parts of the world in the months prior to our flu season. It was my understanding that if you get the vaccine and are then exposed to another strain, yes, you may develop the flu, but your symptoms will not be as bad because of the vaccine you received and you will recover quicker.
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    I am certainly no vaccine-o-phobe, and it's clear to me how much good vaccines have done in the world to date.

    However, I oppose mandatory vaccination policies on principle. I think I ought to be able to decide what I put into my own body. Thank goodness I'm backed by a union that agrees.

    I think the best way to approach public health issues such as this is through education, not punitive policies. Provide people with balanced, objective information, and let them decide for themselves.
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    This is a video on this very subject that I ran across on CNN today, if anyone is interested:

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
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    Quote from imjustme123
    If you would gladly get the flu shot if it was mandated why don't you gladly get it now?
    Because I already had it two weeks ago. Kind of silly to get it twice, don't you think?
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    Quote from JMBnurse
    It does not stop. Ever.

    If it were the government mandating that all citizens have the flu shot, then I might agree with you, but it's not. It's an employer and they have the right. I suppose they got tired of educated health professionals getting sick every year and costing them money, having to pay overtime to employees who got their flu shot while all the ones who didn't are home sick. As others have said, we had to get the HepB vaccine, too. I have to get a TB skin test every year and I don't even see patients anymore.

    I have to do things every day for my job and in my personal life that I would rather not do. Some of the things I don't want to do keep me from being homeless.
    If it were that important, then the gov't would mandate it...but they don't.

    I could care less whether a facility makes money or not and they only have the "right" because the nurses won't band together and stand up against it.

    Another good reason why there needs to be a NATIONAL nurses union.

    There is a big difference between a TEST and FORCED MEDICATION. Not every employee "requires" the HepB vaccine...mine doesn't. You simply sign a waiver if you choose not to take the shot.
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    Quote from redhead_NURSE98!
    You didn't say "won." You said that no one could sue for that, that "the court requires proof." That's lovely, but the court CLERK merely requires a filing fee. Between that and "proof" or dismissal, many dollars are shed. The question is whether or not someone will win. It is whether they will sue. When they do, the costs are expended, whether they are spent being given to the plaintiff or not.

    Your flippant attitude about lawsuits suggests that you don't have much experience with them.
    Honey, let me give you some education very quickly.

    I could hire an attorney right now, to get a court order, track down your Allnurses.com screen name right back to your ISP which is like getting an address to your house and sue you just because I don't like this post.

    I can FILE anything I want.

    THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'LL WIN AND COLLECT A DIME.

    Yes, I said "won"...go back and re-read my post. I can tell by your post that you don't know the difference between FILING and WINNING.

    PS: You can only collect if you win and even that, is if you have something to take.

    The vast majority of malpractice cases, just so you know, are taken ON CONTINGENCY by lawyers. You really think some sick guy has $250/hr to pay an attorney for a case that can take years to win? Uh, that would be a no.

    That is because, most malpractice attorneys ONLY TAKE CASES THEY THINK THEY CAN WIN!!!!

    An UNPROVABLE accusation such as getting the flu while you are a patient in a hospital while you are receiving visitors and tracing that back to a SINGLE NURSE, is not proveable by any stretch of the imagination, not even in the Twilight Zone.
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    I love getting my free flu shot from work. It's the best.
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    Quote from Jory
    Another good reason why there needs to be a NATIONAL nurses union.
    There is a national nurses' union. In fact, there are two.

    About NNU | National Nurses United
    About Our Union | National Federation of Nurses
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    Quote from Jory
    I can tell by your post that you don't know the difference between FILING and WINNING.
    IIRC, redhead has a JD, so I'm betting she knows the difference.
    I think redhead was saying the same thing you just said, that anyone could file a suit for that, leading to annoyance and fun for the person sued, but unlikely to win.
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    Quote from Jory
    Honey, let me give you some education very quickly.

    I could hire an attorney right now, to get a court order, track down your Allnurses.com screen name right back to your ISP which is like getting an address to your house and sue you just because I don't like this post.

    I can FILE anything I want.

    THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'LL WIN AND COLLECT A DIME.

    Yes, I said "won"...go back and re-read my post. I can tell by your post that you don't know the difference between FILING and WINNING.

    PS: You can only collect if you win and even that, is if you have something to take.

    The vast majority of malpractice cases, just so you know, are taken ON CONTINGENCY by lawyers. You really think some sick guy has $250/hr to pay an attorney for a case that can take years to win? Uh, that would be a no.

    That is because, most malpractice attorneys ONLY TAKE CASES THEY THINK THEY CAN WIN!!!!

    An UNPROVABLE accusation such as getting the flu while you are a patient in a hospital while you are receiving visitors and tracing that back to a SINGLE NURSE, is not proveable by any stretch of the imagination, not even in the Twilight Zone.
    Giving me education "very quickly?" No thank you, I spent 22 years since age 5 getting mine. What cereal box did you pull YOUR JD out of?

    Thank you for proving my point, HONEY. Apparently you have no earthly idea what you said in the first place, since you spent PARAGRAPHS making my argument for me. Again, your ignorance on how lawyers work up cases tells me your experience with them is nil.

    Oh, and thanks for the education on the fee structure of a malpractice case. I had no idea that most of them were taken on contingency!! Oh, and about how you can't collect anything if the person doesn't have anything to take? OMG I never knew that!!! (Um BTW we're talking about suing facilities here, I think they "have something to take," so not sure why that piece of info was put out there, unless you think you're actually demonstrating your knowledge of the court system with that one. )


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