Flu Vaccine, enough already!

holisticallyminded · Jan 23, 2012

I am always extremely surprised that nurses are willing to sign up for flu vaccines in the name of "patient safety." How absurd!!

What I really wish I'd see is more nurses who are educated in how the immune system actually works in regards to vaccination. I LOVE when I'm asked at work why I won't get the flu vaccine (I'm wearing the ridiculous mask). The looks on faces are priceless.

Nurses, the medical-industrial complex is USING you to promote their wares. They don't care about you. Stop the martyrdom and stay the hell out of my health decisions because you DON'T know what you're talking about.

I will protect MY health first. After all, this is a JOB and nothing more. Stop telling me that it's anything else.

Laidback Al · Jan 24, 2012

. . . After all, this is a JOB and nothing more. Stop telling me that it's anything else.

Indeed, an excellent point. You seems to understand that no one is OWED a job in the nursing profession.

So for all the whiners and complainers in this thread who don't like your employer's conditions for the job (i.e. vaccinations), why don't you just go out and get a job in another field. Afterall, as holisticallyminded points out, it is only a job.

silentRN · Jan 28, 2012

Well you all know that manufacturers of any vaccination is protected by the US government...meaning, you can not take a law-suit against these companies. They will keep producing and pushing for these vaccines as long as they are liability protected and try to squeeze out as much dollars as they can from the government, meanwhile the government will keep on pushing these vaccines on the people. I for one, have only taken the vaccination once about a few years ago at work. It was the Flu/H1N1 combo, and I got very sick and it had to be the swine flu. Never again will I take that vaccination. What protects patients is calling out sick when you are sick, not injecting yourself with some virus that was manufactured in China and is protected by the US government.

Laidback Al · Jan 28, 2012

. . . not injecting yourself with some virus that was manufactured in China . . .

This comment is just more anti-vaccination inflammatory rhetoric.

Do you know how candidate viruses are selected for inclusion in a vaccine? Do you know how influenza vaccine is produced? And do you really think the influenza vaccine used in the US is manufactured in China?

silentRN · Jan 28, 2012

well, you go ahead and take it...I won't...

MN-Nurse, ASN, RN · Feb 5, 2012

I will protect MY health first. After all, this is a JOB and nothing more. Stop telling me that it's anything else.

Your ignorance on this subject is astounding. The efficacy of vaccines is documented beyond a shadow of a doubt.

You also have just about all the characteristics of a typical conspiracy nut. You belong to the very same category of people who believe:

George W. Bush planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.

Contrails from jets are actually "chemtrails" meant to poison the population.

The US never landed on the moon.

Vaccines cause autism.

Enjoy your company of lunatics.

morte, LPN, LVN · Feb 5, 2012

actually the efficacy of OTHER vacines may be proven. But since the flu vac. is based on a "best guess" it efficacy is going to vary widely from year to year. and as far as good ol' GWB, it wouldn't surprise me....

Your ignorance on this subject is astounding. The efficacy of vaccines is documented beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You also have just about all the characteristics of a typical conspiracy nut. You belong to the very same category of people who believe:
George W. Bush planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.
Contrails from jets are actually "chemtrails" meant to poison the population.
The US never landed on the moon.
Vaccines cause autism.
Enjoy your company of lunatics.

holisticallyminded · Feb 5, 2012

"George W. Bush planned and executed the 9/11 attacks.

Contrails from jets are actually "chemtrails" meant to poison the population.

The US never landed on the moon.

Vaccines cause autism."

You're a comedian. Sounds like the only thing you know to do is to regurgitate whatever you're told.

The reason there is so much controversy around the flu vaccine is because its efficacy is disputed. In addition, unless you're using individual vials, they're full of aluminum or therimisol (preservatives), that are many times the "maximum dose limit." I'm sorry that you trust the "officials" so blindly on this one. Perhaps you should really investigate the long-term effects of repeated yearly exposure to these toxins.

I am personally a breastfeeding mother. My ND completely backs me up on avoiding flu vaccines. These preservatives that I previously mentioned pass through breastmilk. I find it interesting that lactating mothers are taught to avoid cans of tuna and certain medications but no one ever talks about vaccines as a source of mercury toxin. Aluminum is no better. Both store in brain tissue. So we inject our children directly and then may double-dose them if we breastfeed after receiving vaccination ourselves.

We have a right to make health our own health decisions. I prefer to use mycellium and probiotics to augment my immune system. You can call me a crackpot all you'd like. You can take my dose of junk food, pesticides, and heavy metals for me. I'm just hoping that my tax dollars won't need to foot your medical bills later.

notpuurfctbtgdenghns · Feb 6, 2012

[color=#808080]"sorry, te sarcasm in my post did not come across well."

notpuurfctbtgdnghns

just saw this post.

i got you. though you did not come across as being sarcastic/hurtful. satirical maybe!

makes me laugh.

Laidback Al · Feb 7, 2012

. . .
the reason there is so much controversy around the flu vaccine is because its efficacy is disputed. in addition, unless you're using individual vials, they're full of aluminum or therimisol [sic] (preservatives), that are many times the "maximum dose limit." i'm sorry that you trust the "officials" so blindly on this one. perhaps you should really investigate the long-term effects of repeated yearly exposure to these toxins. . . .

once more i am astounded at the extent of incorrect and down-right-wrong information presented by some posters in this thread including misspellings.

see the official contents of thirmerosal included in us licensed vaccine at this link from johns hopkins school of public health (link).

in 2010, the cdc presented a report on thirmerosal in vaccines and risks of autism . . .

cdc study on "prenatal and infant exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and immunoglobins and risk of autism"
a new study by the centers for disease control and prevention (cdc) has shown that prenatal and infant exposure to vaccines and immunoglobulins that contain thimerosal does not increase risk for autism spectrum disorder (asd). "prenatal and infant exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and immunoglobins and risk of autism" is published in the october 2010 print edition of pediatrics [pdf 363 kb] (published online september 13, 2010).
more at: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/qa_pediatrics-thimerosal-autism.html

perhaps some of the conspiracy theorists on this thread can provide some peer-reviewed published reports that support the accusations of "long term effects of these toxins".

holisticallyminded · Feb 7, 2012

laidbackal,

I didn't say a damn thing about autism, did I? Read my posts again. Conspiracy theories? How about aluminum buildup in the brain?

Btw, if you want to talk about autism, read the original study that you referred to and then read about gut inflammation and GMOs, then private message me. There's so much to say that there's no way I can even touch this here, so I hadn't even tried.

And yes, the metal preservatives used in vaccines go through breastmilk. I'm going to start getting ugly if you try to deny this- this is basic science. Just because an agency of the establishment tells you it's "safe" doesn't mean it isn't there and surely doesn't mean it's safe.

I'll say it again- I don't want to pay your healthcare bills later.

Talk about healthcare costs! Needless flu vaccines!? It's amazing that anyone feels so strongly that everyone NEEDS to have these. What the hell? Get your health under control by taking control. End of story and I think I'm done with this thread.

notpuurfctbtgdenghns · Feb 7, 2012

the reason there is so much controversy around the flu vaccine is because its efficacy is disputed. in addition, unless you're using individual vials, they're full of aluminum or thermion (preservatives) that are many times the "maximum dose limit." i'm sorry that you trust the "officials" so blindly on this one. perhaps you should really investigate the long-term effects of repeated yearly exposure to these toxins.

i am a nurse and not really scientifically deeply inclined, neither do i express myself well.

however, based on the best scientific evidence so far, flu vaccine every year is our best defense against flu which could kill many people. i assume you know about past flu epidemics, right? is mercury a dangerous element? sure! but are we talking about toxic as opposed to a trace level? indeed, a trace level of mercury is necessary to prevent contamination growth in these vaccines at this time. it is true that researchers are trying to find a replacement for even that small amount of mercury, but until they succeed, the current vaccines with that preservative are the only defense we have. i guess that if you want to have the exposure and trust in your own immunity and behaviors that is your right. but i think it is just simply not nice for someone (as a nurse) to unnecessarily alarm others unless you have a lot of hard proof.

the amount of thimerosal in vaccines must meet the requirements set forth by united states pharmacopoeia; the fda approves and the cdc recommends the vaccine.

health industries including pharmaceutical companies all make money from this. and if there is evidence that pharmaceutical companies are not telling the truth, they are liable.

we all know that scientific advances are continuing, and hopefully never ending. we know that what has been recommended in the past is changed when scientific studies merit making a change. but in any given situation, in any moment in which a decision must be made, we can never have the full story with all the possible facts. so we must make a decision based upon the pros and cons of what we know. and remember, making a decision to not do something, such as to not make and provide flu vaccines, is a decision. for me, i am grateful that our government has decided that flu prevention is a much lesser evil than no protection against the flu at all.

so, to those who are against the vaccine, please do not try to inflame this discussion by stating your anti government cliche and the use of scare tactics.