Drug seeking or real pain? How do you tell? - page 10

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I'm a new nurse on the list so please pardon my ignorance. I was quite interested in the pain links and explored several and probably will use some for staff training. I did not see any mention of dealing with chemically... Read More


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    Quote from Kanani_Ikike
    If more people trusted in God more than they trust in man, then we wouldn't have so many in that situation. And for those that don't believe in God, they can go with their higher power. People need to start just taking a moment for themselves and meditating. It's always worked for me, even with my migraines. Very seldom do I have to actually pop a pain pill with a migraine. Most of the time a dark room, closed eyes, cool rag, and meditation alleviates it a little. It doesn't completely go away, but I don't strive to be pain-free. I just want the pain to subside somewhat.


    Seriously?



    Maybe Marx was right, trading one opiate for another.
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    Quote from Josh L.Ac.
    Seriously?



    Maybe Marx was right, trading one opiate for another.

    Yes, seriously. I mean, did I make a typo or something?
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    Quote from Kanani_Ikike
    Yes, seriously. I mean, did I make a typo or something?
    I just wanted clarification that you think if more people believed in god, they wouldn't have chronic pain and/or be drug seeking.


    Is that really what you are saying?



    Or were you saying that calming down and meditating helps with pain, regardless of which deity [or lack thereof] people subscribe to?
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    Quote from Josh L.Ac.
    Seriously?



    Maybe Marx was right, trading one opiate for another.
    I think that is a derogatory statement, comparing anything the poster said to Karl Marx. Totally unacceptable
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    Quote from teeituptom
    I think that is a derogatory statement, comparing anything the poster said to Karl Marx. Totally unacceptable

    Why? Is Karl Marx offensive? I'm not a huge fan of his writings, but I fail to see how he is offensive.



    The OP said that belief in god would reduce pain in a thread talking about drug seeking patients. Karl Marx said that "religion is the opiate of the masses", thus my comment about trading one opiate for another.



    If anything, I find the idea that if people believed in god then their pain would just go away to be offensive.
    Last edit by Josh L.Ac. on Dec 3, '07
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    Quote from Josh L.Ac.
    Why? Is Karl Marx offensive? I'm not a huge fan of his writings, but I fail to see how he is offensive.



    The OP said that belief in god would reduce pain in a thread talking about drug seeking patients. Karl Marx said that "religion is the opiate of the masses", thus my comment about trading one opiate for another.



    If anything, I find the idea that if people believed in god then their pain would just go away to be offensive.
    I dont find Karl Marx offensive at all. But I know his writing very well.

    And when you take someones honest declaration of how to control his pain of a migraine, without taking drugs. Then you compare this with Karl, I find this derogatory.
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    Quote from teeituptom
    I dont find Karl Marx offensive at all. But I know his writing very well.

    And when you take someones honest declaration of how to control his pain of a migraine, without taking drugs. Then you compare this with Karl, I find this derogatory.
    If that is all the OP wrote, then it would be their anecdote of a method to ameliorate their migraines. A search of pubmed finds some research to support the use of meditation to reduce migraine pain/frequency and some research that shows no effect.

    Quote from Kanani_Ikike
    People need to start just taking a moment for themselves and meditating. It's always worked for me, even with my migraines. Very seldom do I have to actually pop a pain pill with a migraine. Most of the time a dark room, closed eyes, cool rag, and meditation alleviates it a little. It doesn't completely go away, but I don't strive to be pain-free. I just want the pain to subside somewhat.
    But they started their post with this:

    Quote from Kanani_Ikike
    If more people trusted in God more than they trust in man, then we wouldn't have so many in that situation. And for those that don't believe in God, they can go with their higher power.

    A search of the literature failed to find research that demonstrated belief in god reduced pain comparable to conventional treatments or reduced drug seeking behaviors.
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    Pain is subjective and literature indicates, if a patient says he/she is in pain we should accept that. the question is whether nurses are the "pain" police or if we are to minister to the needs of the patient. For those in the chemical dependence arenas the issue is whether there are protocols to address the pain of withdrawal ( and this is significant discomfort) or not. Pain is pain and nurses would be wise to address the compliants, finding the best intervention to meet the patient's need.
    KarenGeorgeBSRN and cmo421 like this.
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    Quote from nanacarol
    Pain is subjective and literature indicates, if a patient says he/she is in pain we should accept that. the question is whether nurses are the "pain" police or if we are to minister to the needs of the patient. For those in the chemical dependence arenas the issue is whether there are protocols to address the pain of withdrawal ( and this is significant discomfort) or not. Pain is pain and nurses would be wise to address the compliants, finding the best intervention to meet the patient's need.
    "Let them have tylenol"
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    Quote from Josh L.Ac.
    I just wanted clarification that you think if more people believed in god, they wouldn't have chronic pain and/or be drug seeking.


    Is that really what you are saying?



    Or were you saying that calming down and meditating helps with pain, regardless of which deity [or lack thereof] people subscribe to?
    Sorry, didn't mean to jack you up. Please forgive me, I have PMS.

    But to answer your question. Having religion has nothing to do with real pain. I am not saying that believing in any diety will erase real pain. Pain is pain. But what I am saying is for the people that are referred to as displaying "drug seeking" behaviors" are having some deeper issues. A lot of them are wanting an escape from the hardships of life. And since they may not be able to physically escape their situation (for example, poverty, lonliness, turmoil, etc.), they turn to mind-altering substances. That may be alcohol, they may be crack, cocaine, meth, or even legally prescribed drugs. And I am saying that if more people trusted in God, (Jehovah) or whomever they claim as their deity, life isn't so hard to handle. Man, and his coping mechanisms, shouldn't be the answer. People put too much faith in worldly things.


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