Circulators - page 4

i started out looking for first assistant info and ran across this info, the part i questioned i put in bold. i always thought circulators had to be rn's or does the rn requirement only come into... Read More

  1. by   SOCALDAN
    Thanks, I too am currently teaching in the private post secondary education system. I think my O.R. years are truly behind me... Teaching is a great way to stay employed and to mould the future of WHAT SHOULD BE in the surg tech profession.
  2. by   heather2084
    Quote from ewattsjt
    I "worked for free" during my training in clinical.
    i just caught this, and I know its not the topic here, but.....everyone who does clinical "works for free", no?
  3. by   ewattsjt
    yes they are, but the point being made is that the training is not all that different in terms of "how". it was not meant to reflect how bad it was, it was meant to show the similarity of hard work that goes into the aas in surgical technology.
  4. by   SOCALDAN
    Yes, as a surgical tech, you do (work) for free. BUT in other terms, you are being taught (for free), by someone who is probably not being paid by a school, NOR is not being compensated by the hospital, to take you under their wing, and give you their knowledge.

    We are having a bad time right now with, NOT ENOUGH Clinical sites for our surg tech students, and if you are a Nurse, and you live in the so cal area, (50 miles radius of OCEANSIDE CA) contact me if you and your staff are willing to take on a surg tech student.

    Thanks
    Dan
  5. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from SOCALDAN
    Yes, as a surgical tech, you do (work) for free. BUT in other terms, you are being taught (for free), by someone who is probably not being paid by a school, NOR is not being compensated by the hospital, to take you under their wing, and give you their knowledge.

    We are having a bad time right now with, NOT ENOUGH Clinical sites for our surg tech students, and if you are a Nurse, and you live in the so cal area, (50 miles radius of OCEANSIDE CA) contact me if you and your staff are willing to take on a surg tech student.

    Thanks
    Dan
    Dan, I feel your pain. I know how hard it is to be director of a st program searching for clinical contracts.

    I had the same problem with my program... and I am no where NEAR California.

    I even had a few nurses call around and tell their pals, other OR managers at other hospitals, to have nothing to do with our school Thank goodness a handful of nurses were willing to give us a chance and went to bat for us.

    I called over 75 hospitals before I got just two clinical contracts for my students!

    As a Certified Surgical Technologist and future nurse I wish I could make OR nurses understand that I have no intention of stealing their jobs. I am there to fill a need and assure a successful surgical outcome. Just like there are bad nurses and nursing schools, there are bad techs & surgical tech schools. They make it hard for all of us.

    As healthcare professionals we need to insist that these bad schools are closed down or reworked. Potential students MUST investigate any educational program they plan on attending.

    Every surgical tech should join AST and get their certification to assure the regulation of our profession.

    Association of Surgical Technologists
    NBSTSA - LCC-ST – Certification in Surgical Assisting
    Last edit by sunnyjohn on Dec 8, '06
  6. by   tntech1
    Wow this is a very interesting thread!! I am a surgical tech with 10yrs experience. And this is not to knock any nurses. A surgeon was asked by a nurse which would you rather have, an experience surgical tech or experience nurse in your room? He said, "I rather have an experienced Tech in the room because it is more important". He said he an anesthia could handle emergencies. He also mention It was good having a RN available. This is a neurosurgeon I am speaking of. We both are needed in the OR. I wish we could all get along. I love my fellow nurse and value your education, but do not treat the Surgical tech profession as if they are below you.
  7. by   RNOTODAY
    Quote from tntech1
    Wow this is a very interesting thread!! I am a surgical tech with 10yrs experience. And this is not to knock any nurses. A surgeon was asked by a nurse which would you rather have, an experience surgical tech or experience nurse in your room? He said, "I rather have an experienced Tech in the room because it is more important". He said he an anesthia could handle emergencies. He also mention It was good having a RN available. This is a neurosurgeon I am speaking of. We both are needed in the OR. I wish we could all get along. I love my fellow nurse and value your education, but do not treat the Surgical tech profession as if they are below you.

    Ask the same doc if he would rather have the nurse if she also had just as much experience scrubbing. Its not the scrub tech vs nurse thing, its a who knows how to scrub vs who doesnt.
  8. by   tntech1
    Quote from RNOTODAY
    Ask the same doc if he would rather have the nurse if she also had just as much experience scrubbing. Its not the scrub tech vs nurse thing, its a who knows how to scrub vs who doesnt.
    Stop being so sensitive. Gee-whiz
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from tntech1
    Stop being so sensitive. Gee-whiz
    I don't see the 'sensitive' part of the post. I haven't known a doc to choose a tech over a nurse or vice versa, They're more interested in people who know what the heck they're doing, IOW, the same thing that RNOTODAY said.
  10. by   CSTCFA
    Quote from ortess1971
    Yes, at least in my state, that is what I'm saying. The problem with tech training is that it is not consistent. There are still many techs that received OTJ training and wouldn't know a lab value if it walked up and bit them on the fanny. Techs are certified at the most, and that is not mandatory. Why the snippy attitude towards RN's by the way? Most posts on this thread have been more than respectful towards techs. Techs are needed in the OR, but they do not have the proper training to assess patients. End of story. I'm not going to bother arguing with you further-it's kind of a moot point for me to wonder if techs can circulate because it's not going to happen.(at least where I am). I wish you the best of luck though. Just remember, in order to get respect, you have to give it. Trying to pick fights among members of what is supposed to be a team is childish and self centered.Remember, patients are the focus, not your ego. Hate to point the troll finger but you have all of 2 posts on this board, and both have been antagonistic in tone. Done here, because I don't like to engage in troll feeding.
    This is funny! When typing takes a tone you know you hit a nerve lol
  11. by   tntech1
    I haven't known a doc to choose a tech over a nurse or vice versa, They're more interested in people who know what the heck they're doing, IOW, the same thing that RNOTODAY said.[/quote]
    You may not have heard of it happening but it happens!!! Have you asked???
  12. by   CSTCFA
    Quote from RNOTODAY
    Ask the same doc if he would rather have the nurse if she also had just as much experience scrubbing. Its not the scrub tech vs nurse thing, its a who knows how to scrub vs who doesnt.
    Why would you ask a doc that in the first place. In the OR is not the time or place for this even at the scrub sink its still a no no. People will get upset if the answer isnt both. Thats how feelings get hurt and trouble starts in the OR. People want to talk smack here is one thing or after work with a margarita.
  13. by   tntech1
    Let's just face it here, Surgical tech are the only person besides the surgeon in the room that has had formal training. The only person in the room that is considered OJT is the nurse. Nursing schools need to focus more on offering this course as a part of the program. Please do not say she has some nerves, be honest surgical techs have been educated just for this job. Surgery is a techinal field. I love nurses and yes they are needed in the operating room, yes they have an higher education so far as patient care is consider, and yes patient care is important in the Operating room, but you have two indiviual who with 12+ years education regarding that( surgeon+anthesia etc.). Please let's stop this Nurse vs. Tech. Because when it all boils down to it, the doctor really do not care who is in the room with him/her, just along as the case is ready when their ready and the person is capable of doing their job. He would not care if casper the ghost brought the patient in the room and woody woodpecker set the case up!!!! Nurses are great ,so are CST!!! we are a team.

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