Nursing Program @Grand Canyon University - page 5

by Kabin

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Anyone know if the GCU nursing program is ok? Good teachers? Accredited? I know it's expensive and they were financially strapped as of Jan '04, but supposedly that's behind them.... Read More


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    Quote from hogan4736
    I guess (their) ignorance is bliss :spin:


    I would agree it's become a "diploma mill" like U of P (as far as the online stuff)...As far as going to GCU as a non nurse (on campus), I still feel it's the best thing going...
    ...
    Well, that's my point. I don't want to get a BSN from GCU and have future employers think I got my degree through a "diploma mill". Ignorance or not, I don't need to have to explain constantly over and over again, "no it's not a religious school, no it really exists, no it's not a diploma mill...etc, etc"

    No thanks. I'll get my BSN through a respected and recognized university, where it won't be questioned or doubted.

    And if that's "Ignorance as bliss" as you stated, then so be it.
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    Quote from hogan4736
    i guess (their) ignorance is bliss :spin:

    anyway, it's near i 17, on 33rd ave and camelback...

    i would agree it's become a "diploma mill" like u of p (as far as the online stuff)...as far as going to gcu as a non nurse (on campus), i still feel it's the best thing going...
    and the whole religious thing is waaaay overstated (read my old posts on this subject), but people will believe what they want to believe...

    i teach in a cc now, and my thought, is that it's waaay too skill focused...


    personally, i don't think any given program makes one a better nurse (private vs public, adn vs bsn, etc)...it's the person that makes all the difference...
    could you clarify which school you consider a diploma mill and why? also which school is too skill focused?
    i appreciate your candor and experience.
    another thing grand canyon has a requirement of 6 hours on christian perspectives towards their bsn. 6 hours may be too much for some, different strokes for different folks. i included the link.
    http://my.gcu.edu/programs/pos/campus/nursing/bsn.pdf
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    Quote from knit1purl2
    another thing grand canyon has a requirement of 6 hours on christian perspectives towards their bsn. 6 hours may be too much for some, different strokes for different folks.

    yes, 6 hours is about 5hrs and 59 minutes too much for me. i don't need to, nor want to be forced into a religion as a part of my educational process.
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    Quote from cardiacrn2006
    yes, 6 hours is about 5hrs and 59 minutes too much for me. i don't need to, nor want to be forced into a religion as a part of my educational process.
    i am merely saying that from some of the heated posts i have seen concerning the amount of religion that was being taught, i assumed it was an amount that was equal to a minor degree. i just wanted to check it out and decide for myself. as we all know in our quest for our rn we know what we are willing to do, whether it involves length of wait, cost of education, duration of program, program location etc. i appreciate everyone's opinion and willingness to share experiences.
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    Quote from knit1purl2
    could you clarify which school you consider a diploma mill and why? also which school is too skill focused?
    i appreciate your candor and experience.
    another thing grand canyon has a requirement of 6 hours on christian perspectives towards their bsn. 6 hours may be too much for some, different strokes for different folks. i included the link.
    http://my.gcu.edu/programs/pos/campus/nursing/bsn.pdf
    university of phoenix
    grand canyon (online education)

    the community college where i teach clinicals is in northern arizona...

    and the "christian perspective" classes are theory of the old testament, and theory of the new testament...interesting classes

    the only times i've set foot in a church since gcu were my wedding day, and my students' graduation (non religious theme)...i'm as non religious as they come...

    truthfully, never in any nursing class was religion or god spoken of...it was never a factor...
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    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Well, that's my point. I don't want to get a BSN from GCU and have future employers think I got my degree through a "diploma mill". Ignorance or not, I don't need to have to explain constantly over and over again, "no it's not a religious school, no it really exists, no it's not a diploma mill...etc, etc"

    No thanks. I'll get my BSN through a respected and recognized university, where it won't be questioned or doubted.

    And if that's "Ignorance as bliss" as you stated, then so be it.

    The RN to BSN online at GCU is what I consider a diploma mill...

    Employers don't care where or how you attained your BSN...It just doesn't matter...Your experience as an RN is what matters...Your character is what matters...

    I think you are the one placing too much emphasis on it...
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    Quote from hogan4736

    Employers don't care where or how you attained your BSN...It just doesn't matter...Your experience as an RN is what matters...Your character is what matters....

    Actually, I care about where I get my degree. That's why I do so well in College, because I care.

    I won't spend money on 6 credit hours of religion. That's not placing too much emphasis on it, that's just a fact. I read that, and I moved on.

    I just responded to your post saying that its' the best BSN program in the state. It made me laugh. It's just not the case, that's all.

    And I would be taking and RN-BSN program (if I even choose nursing for my BS). I want to get a complete education and a good, well respected school.

    And that 'aint GCU.
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    Quote from hogan4736
    University of Phoenix
    Grand Canyon (online education)

    The community college where I teach clinicals is in northern Arizona...

    And the "Christian perspective" classes are Theory of the Old Testament, and Theory of the New Testament...Interesting classes

    The only times I've set foot in a church since GCU were my wedding day, and my students' graduation (non religious theme)...I'm as non religious as they come...

    Truthfully, never in ANY nursing class was religion or God spoken of...It was never a factor...
    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that's the way it was at one time years ago. But this has been rehashed over and over and your stories don't match with today's reality. Just read the GCU.com "who are we" section where it states it's a Christian University. Pretty hard to spin that any other way.

    I was there in 2005 and they had mandatory religious prep rallies. They also prayed before and after classes and in group settings. And instructors led the prayer so there may be a few good reason you're no longer there.
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    i was there in 2005[/quote]

    religion is always a controversial subject, though what i am trying to gain from this thread is;

    were you in the nursing program while you were attending in 2005 if so;
    1. how would you rate your experience, pros and cons.

    2. was your degree questioned when you went to apply for work at the local hospitals?

    i appreciate your response on your grand canyon experience.

    sorry i am asking kabin about her experience.
    Last edit by Knit1Purl2 on Aug 28, '07 : Reason: Not really proficient in the cut and paste thing.
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    It is so hard to get into a pre-licensure nursing program right now, that I say get in where ever you can and be grateful.

    I do think RN-BSN program choices are different, though. It's not so competitive to get into these programs. Taking this into consideration, it seems quite reasonable to me, that some would rather not earn their BSNs from GCU.

    I doubt that the GCU degree is questioned at all. Rather, it's that some of us deeply care about our education and want a different focus.

    One major goal of higher education is to expand one's exposure to differences in the world. Every secular institution that I've looked at has this goal, of requiring non-Western and cultural understanding liberal arts course work.

    It's extremely valuable to get students out of their Western and often-times Protestant, automatically ethnocentric perspectives and learn about other other cultures and other ways of being.

    So for a bachelor's degree to further educate and entrench students in Western Protestantism rather than expand their understanding of the world and other ways of being - seems to fly in the opposite direction to me.

    That said, we all have the freedom (and thank goodness we do) to choose for ourselves. So if someone wants the CGU experience and further Western-Protestant education, that is ok, and I'll sincerely respect that person's choice.

    But for me, that would be the antithesis to what I want from college. Like Cardiac, I care about my education deeply. I want my understanding of the world expanded, not narrowed through the lens of Christianity.
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