Re: Can You Refuse A Patient Assignment Originally Posted by cenote
I'm sorry but "have a quick talk at the start with him" is not the answer. Having worked with this type of patient, I know that reasoning doesn't work....they are mentally ill and have lost the power of reason.
Yes, many are - and hence a "quick talk" can weed out those who truly have a deep mental illness and those who are trying to play the system. If they can't be reasoned with or are unwilling to listen to reason, then restraints are a go.
Originally Posted by cenote
Therefore, it it mandatory that the police be called.
And what exactly will the police do if he truly has a psychosis? I have often had police here refuse even a drunk until medically cleared. They are not going to throw a medically ill person into the jail regardless of provocation. They will most often insist on some type of placement.
Originally Posted by cenote
And yes, the nurse has the right to refuse this patient based on what the law terms as a "reasonable expectation" that violence will occur and of course, lack of training in the area of psychiatric nursing.
But the nurse is not truly doing psych nursing. S/he is caring for a medical patient (detox and HA). When the patient is medically stable and a bed opens up then he can be transferred to an inpatient psych bed. Also under your "reasonable expectation" a nurse can then refuse an assignment when a patient is confused from a high sodium or hepatic encephalopathy, or cirrhosis, or liver disease. Any of those can present with confusion exhibited as violent tendencies.
Originally Posted by cenote
The correct action in the ER would have been to call law enforcement and I'm at a loss as to why this wasn't done.
And perhaps it was done and the police asked if the patient was medically cleared to leave the hospital. If the answer was no, then they would not have arrested the patient.
Now instead of refusing, there are a lot of things the nurse could have done. 1) a doctor should determine if the person has the mental capacity to make medical decisions and 2) is this person an involuntary hold? The answers here will help determine what you can do. if 1 is no and 2 is yes, then restrain and provide medically necessary treatments (many of which will mellow the guy out).
If 1 is yes and 2 is no, have the police come and pick him up for threats against staff.
If 1 is yes and 2 is yes, restrain him but allow him to decide if he will take medications and treatments.
During treatments have the nurse enter with another person to help. Leave name badges outside the room. Allow no visitors. Ask for help during and treatment you are unsure of.
I am sorry but from the limited information in the OP I stand by my answer. The nurse could try to refuse (heck s/he might even get away with it), but I don't think it would fly after the first time.
Pat
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