Devastated and Depressed

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Dear Nurse Beth,

I graduated from nursing school in December of 2013 with honors (magna cum laude, 3.91 GPA, Sigma Theta Tau - the whole works). Unfortunately, like many new grads, I had a hard time finding a job. Finally, 9 months after graduation, I landed a new grad RN residency; however, I always dreamt of being an ICU nurse and was now working in a behavioral health hospital 150 miles away from my home. Either way, I was happy and relieved to have a job vs no job. 9 months into the residency, I began taking RN refresher courses at the local JC in order to prepare transitioning into "acute care." The professor of the program really liked me and offered to help me get into acute care.

Weeks later I found myself with an offer for a med/tele floor. I was beyond excited. Everything that I had worked so hard for finally paid off.

Little did I know, this med/tele floor from nursing would be the textbook version of "nurses eat their young." I was told I would be given 2 weeks (6 12 hour shifts) of orientation. I told them I was still a new grad and needed more training, they refused. The RN orienting me told me she wanted me to "feel the pressure of nursing" and gave me 5 tele patients and 3 med surg patients - I live in the state of California where the ratio for tele is 1:4 so I knew this was wrong but was so overwhelmed on the floor that I didn't realize it until I got home that morning. The nurses on the unit would talk about "black people," "gay people," and "Mexicans" saying how they were beneath them etc. Mind you, I spent my childhood in a lower middle-class neighborhood and don't discriminate against ANYONE so this situation was very uncomfortable for me. They also went on to tell me about how awful the other nurses were, and when I would go talk to these "other" nurses, they would tell me how awful my preceptor and her friends were! I was caught in the middle of this historical feud.

I finally mustered up the courage to email the manager. He didn't say anything about the ratio situation - he remained silent. About the politics, he said no matter where you go there will always be politics - I reminded him that when politics interfere with patient safety and care, it is a BIG problem. He asked me for an example, I told him that the nurses who didn't like my preceptor, refused to help ME turn or reposition patients - something that simple. He basically said I should suck it up and reposition them myself.

I realized that the environment there was not conducive for a new grad and began putting the red flags together - I now knew why the nurse educator had said: "they haven't had a new grad RN there for over 10 years...."

Nevertheless, I resigned. I informed the professor who got me the interview - only to find out that she had resigned from the hospital 2 days before me due to "out of control politics."

I was extremely disappointed. I felt depressed and broken. Fortunately, my husband continued to support me tirelessly. Within a couple of days, I found a job doing nursing case management. I enjoyed it - until I realized that my supervisor (not a nurse) didn't know the difference between an RN and MD. I showed her our scope of practice, I attempted to educate her. She insisted that I see patients and diagnose them, she insisted that I sign off on other nurses assessments - nurses who no longer worked there. Things became really shady very quickly. I felt my license was in danger and wanted to leave. I took PTO in order to avoid resigning.

Nurse Beth, I am no longer optimistic about nursing. I had dreams of becoming an ICU nurse but now I am questioning nursing - why did I become a nurse? Where do I go from here? Is it me? Is something wrong with me?

Devastated and depressed - kind of a new grad.

Dear Devastated and Depressed,

This isn't about whether or not you should have become a nurse, it's about the employment you've had so far. And also about recognizing red flags that are indicators of bad employers. Don't give up but do proceed with caution.

Here is the pre-hire red flag that should have served as a Keep Away Warning:

Telling you orientation would be 2 weeks long. I know you were happy to get into acute care, and the opportunity may have blinded you, but what this says is that patient safety is not a priority. They went on to violate California state ratios, and tolerate lateral violence. The attitudes towards other ethnicities and cultures in the workplace that you describe are honestly enough for a hospital to put their accreditation at risk, or be sanctioned by the Department of Health if formal complaints were made.

When you run into problems of this magnitude on the job, it is better to talk to your manager in person rather than email. Not to say it would have made a difference in your case, as he has no intention of making any changes, but for future consideration. (Also it's not wise to "remind" your boss that politics is a patient safety problem).

You were wise to leave this facility. But I'm concerned about the next employer who hired you to be a case manager, because case management generally, and for good reason, requires a couple years of bedside nursing experience. I think you answered my question of "Why would they hire a non-experienced nurse to be a case manager?" when you went on to describe your supervisor.

It makes sense in an organization where the supervisor is uninformed of the correct procedure and nursing scope of practice. A supervisor who is not a nurse is not even qualified to evaluate you on your nursing performance when performance appraisal time rolls around.

It's understandable you are discouraged at this point because you haven't yet experienced anything near a normal, well-run facility yet.

With your high GPA, your self-motivation to learn and improve yourself, and your determination to improve yourself, you have all the makings of a good employee. Again, don't give up all you've worked for.

At your next interview, be prepared to ask questions that will help reveal some of these problems ahead of time.

  • What kind of orientation will I be provided?
  • Who will I be reporting to (my direct supervisor)?
  • What is the nurse: patient ratio on your unit?

Listen carefully to avoid selective hearing, and cultivate your intuition. Good luck to you, friend.

Best wishes,

Nurse Beth

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Your experience is one of the new 50 shades of Nursing. Don't give up. Keep looking and follow Nurse Beth's advice. You will find a place that is best fit for you. Don't jump on just any offer, do your research and make sure it is a safe environment for yourself and your license. Good luck

Get a real nursing position, longer than a year, before getting your MS. Some hospitals will actually help you with funding. No one wants a nurse manager who has not actually been a nurse.

I feel your frustration. I graduated in 2014 from the LPN program. Took the NCLEX a few months later and didn't pass in the mean time I worked in ED as a CNA, studied my butt off then took it again last year in March and finally passed. I was so excited. I wished I was able to stay in the ED but they didn't hire LPN. So I took my first nursing job at an OB/GYN office in June of last yr. with so much excitement enthusiasm and what a huge difference. I went from being loved by my peers in the ED to being disliked by a lot of the medical assistants because they felt I was there to take their job. smh. I was pretty much thrown in and no other nurse to look to besides my boss who I like but was always busy. Things have gotten better but it's not what I expected. I went from doing triage as a brand new nurse with another MA to having my own schedule where All I do is all the inj. and pregnancy test(plus everything with it), which are all scheduled with me. I feel like I'm losing my clinical skills; skills that I worked so hard for in the nursing program. I'm just not happy. I miss my ED family so much. Times where I wished that I stayed there till I was able to obtain my RN. Times where I thought of going to a nursing home but I don't want to leave the hospital....the dr. office is part of the hosp. Heck, I would love to do a Foley. LOL. I have learned some things from there but you can only go so far. Plus I've had to deal with some bias stuff. There is a woman who has no patience for pt. where english is their second language. I've had pt. complained about her, and have gone to my boss about it but I don't think anything got done because I still see her raising her voice at them and being rude. There was one time where she came to me asking if I can talk to a spanish speaking pt. who is out in the waiting room and since spanish is my second language I said sure, what is her name? Her response, "You can ask her when you see her"....Ok, so because I'm hispanic I'm suppose to know what another hispanic person looks like? Let me just get my radar out and find her. I was so angry. I mean c'mon!! I've been currently looking for positions in the hospital but nothing yet. But now I'm nervous because of the lack of skills I have. But I'm miserable to. Idk. I am going to school trying to get these prereqs out the way so I can get in the RN program. Should I stay and suck it up till I Obtain my RN or get in the hospital setting, I just feel a little lost. I even thought of staying there and getting a per diem position at a nursing home till I got in the RN program. I wish I could do per diem at the hospital but they consider it overtime since the office is a part of them. I feel so sad and alone at times.[/quote']

If you can get enough per diem hours to support yourself, I think you might be happier. You sound miserably sad and afraid and full of resentment.

I hope you told the gal asking you to translate what you told us. Sounds like you work with unhappy people.

Sounds like you work with unhappy people.

There are many miserable people in the workplace. I think unhappy people should fake it (being happy) until they make it or get something to be happy about.

Stick it out while looking for another job, but really look and look hard. I stuck it out in a place that treated me miserably and the stress became too much. I started having anxiety attacks. Felt that my co-workers in a department and hospital were out to get me - and guess what - they were. Bunch of nasty people. There are some wonderful, amazing people in nursing, but there are some that are just snakes. Get another job and then go back to school to get your RN, you'll have more options. Hang in there and I hope that you get in somewhere with a good crew.

Unfortunately, I think many places that hire new grads, do it because they can't get anybody else. Which, of course, is exactly the polar opposite of what a new grad needs. Hang in there, keep trying. Nursing needs you.

yes be aware of New Grads Welcome. They are desperate for a warm body. Get skilled nursing or med surg experience before jumping into Nicu. So many people want to jump to the top and then fail. Why would you do with six shifts of training as a new grad? It's not enough. You should have declined the position. That was th test. You weren't ready and those nurses knew it and were showing you. They worked up the ladder to get there.

Specializes in icu, er, pcu.

As a new Grad, I was immediately thrown into a sink or swim situation. I swam, but suffered. There were plenty of outfits that I worked for, some good, some bad. All in all I kept to my Nursing Standards and ethical views. I too was a 3.89 4 year grad, and found reality in Nursing way more different than actual practice. Stick to your guns, PATIENT SAFETY is the most important aspect of your job. Do no harm... If you can perform those 2 functions within a facility you can't go wrong. I have been asked by various DON's to lie, cheat, and perform sub standard care. Stick to your guns... Do what is right despite what you are told what to do. I have had a long career and managed to enjoy my job despite the challenges. Good luck.

Specializes in Trauma ICU.

Don't let the excitement of finding your dream job stop you from doing your do diligence. Always put as much time into investigating your potential employer as they would put into you. Take a list of questions with you so you don't forget what to ask in the interview. I have even gone so far as to scope websites they rate hospitals and regularly show up early for an interview to walk around the hospital. Ask for a wall around the unit you will be working in if they don't offer it, take time to look at the people working. Are they working in teams or is everyone off in their own corner? Do people look happy? Do they interact with you even if it's making eye contact or do they avoid you? Never accept a job on the spot either, take the time to go home and think overt how you feel about everything you saw. Above all remember you ARE a commodity, don't get trapped into believing that they are doing you a favor, you have something they want so remember to be very sure you're being valued properly. Hope that helps