Nurses Activism
Published May 27, 2003
Should nurses strike? Would you cross the picket line?
geekgolightly, BSN, RN
866 Posts
Hey Gomer,
Why are you opposed to unions? I am undecided. i don;t think I know enough to judge yet. Input would be appreciated.
nowplayingEDRN
799 Posts
bender73,
Your opinions are noted.
We are agreeing to disagree.
Welcome to allnurses.com
Please walk softly and forget the big stick!
PS: Gomer.....to unionize or not to unionize that is the topic for another thread :)
bender73
54 Posts
Thanks UntamedSpirit.:)
Oh, and don't even get me going on the union issue geek!!!
You are more than welcome.....might I now suggest you exit stage left before creating a frackas in reference to unions, Bender????? :)
Gomer
415 Posts
Originally posted by geekgolightly Hey Gomer, Why are you opposed to unions? I am undecided. i don;t think I know enough to judge yet. Input would be appreciated.
Have many opinions about unionization, but Untamed Spirit's post indicates that this is not the place for such discussion. And I certainly don't want to upset anyone with my opinions.
Originally posted by Gomer Have many opinions about unionization, but Untamed Spirit's post indicates that this is not the place for such discussion. And I certainly don't want to upset anyone with my opinions.
You can join me Gomer, you will find me here...
:chair:
RNPD
255 Posts
originally posted by Gomer
First, I'm opposed to unions; wont join one, wont work anywhere that is unionized.........if they do strike they must also be willing for face the consequences of their actions...no paycheck, possible patient abandonment charges, loss of their job...without whining, without crying, without blaming others
Those of us who chose to strike do it with the full knowledge that there are consequences to our actions-but patient abandonment charges aren't one of them because patient abandonment doesn't occur. I suggest you check out the legal definition of patient abandonment. Start with your BON.
As for loss of paycheck and loss of job-yes that can happen. But paychecks were easily replaced by working agency during a prolonged strike I participated in; loss of job is usually covered in the back to work agreement-as in no contract ratification unless everyone is assured of the same position they left.
As far as "whining......, crying........, (and)...... blaming others" I never saw that during the entire strike. Since you refuse to work at a unionized facilty, I doubt you ever saw that as well.
pickledpepperRN
4,491 Posts
Originally posted by geekgolightly Hey Are you striking Tenent? You were the one who posted that Tenent article right? when I looked them up, in my state they were the ones responsible for the highest mark up in all ten of the hospitals listed. As high as 700% here. Do you ahve any insight or interesting articles on them?
Hey Are you striking Tenent? You were the one who posted that Tenent article right? when I looked them up, in my state they were the ones responsible for the highest mark up in all ten of the hospitals listed. As high as 700% here.
Do you ahve any insight or interesting articles on them?
I don't work at a Tenet hospital so am not technically on strike. A Tenet per diem job every other Saturday was my second job.
I do support them for trying to keep their hospital open. Made a 2 hour drive after working all night (slept while friend drove) to demonstrate outside the Tenet headquarters. I met an RN who has worked at the striking hospital 41 YEARS! Her retirement is not enough for medigap health insurance! Ant the CEO who was forces to resign gets more than a million $$$ a year after about 12 years!
HE gets big retirement $$$ but Tenet would rather close or pay expensive replacement nurses for months rather than negotiate with their RNs.
I quit when Tenet took over my 2nd job hospital. I am afraid for my community because I live there. SAD! and wrong priorities!
I prefer an all RN union without a 'partnership' with management' These partnerships are a gag order on patient advocacy. Go the Nursing politics and advocacy forum to fine the SNA in your state. Most are a separate part of the ANA
https://allnurses.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=100
And my union:
http://www.calnurse.org
http://cna.igc.org/cna101/profassoc.htm
http://cna.igc.org/cna101/100years.htm
http://cna.igc.org/cna101/newlyorganized.htm
http://cna.igc.org/cna101/top5-1.htm
http://cna.igc.org/cna101/top5-3.htm
And regarding Tenet:
http://cna.igc.org/cna/watch/tenet/
http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=43028§ion=BUSINESS&subsection=OC_REGION&year=2003&month=6&day=10
https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39075
Link to former Tenet thread:
https://allnurses.com/forums/showthr...&threadid=37511
I feel as if I have struck gold.
Thank you spacenurse.
NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN
10 Articles; 18,354 Posts
posting resources re striking, patient abandonment and mandatory overtime:
principles for nurse staffing
http://nursingworld.org/readroom/stffprnc.htm
organizing & collective bargining
http://nursingworld.org/dlwa/barg/index.htm
restructuring, work redesign, and the job and career security of registered nurses
http://nursingworld.org/readroom/position/workplac/wkcareer.htm
the right to accept or reject an assignment
http://nursingworld.org/readroom/position/workplac/wkassign.htm
patient vs. employment abandonment
the difference could mean your license.
http://nursingworld.org/ajn/2000/june/wrights.htm
from: opposition to mandatory overtime
patient abandonment is . . . a unilateral severance of the established nurse-patient relationship without giving reasonable notice to the appropriate person so that arrangements can be made for continuation of nursing care by others. refusal to accept an assignment (or a nurse-patient relationship) does not constitute patient abandonment.
a unilateral severance of the established nurse-patient relationship without giving reasonable notice to the appropriate person so that arrangements can be made for continuation of nursing care by others. refusal to accept an assignment (or a nurse-patient relationship) does not constitute patient abandonment.
http://nursingworld.org/readroom/position/workplac/revmot2.htm
the position of the
pennsylvania state nurses association on mandatory overtime
includes pa bon regs on abandonment
http://www.psna.org/practice/overtime.htm
right to strike:
http://nursingworld.org/uan/mn.htm
what about strikes?
http://www.nysut.org/fnhp/organize-faq.html#strikes
canada
the right to strike and the provision of emergency services in canadian health care
http://www.policyalternatives.ca/whatsnew/righttostrikepr.html
saskatchewan union of nurses
http://www.sun-nurses.sk.ca/media/1999/may_12.html
international council of nurses:
http://www.icn.ch/psstrike.htm
ufcw nurses
http://ufcw141nurses.org/joinus.htm
europe:
http://www.eiro.eurofound.ie/sectors/8_1999.html
australia:
hidden laws will stop right to strike
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/24/1053585743737.html
nurses strike- one year latter:
http://news.mpr.org/features/200206/26_scheckt_nurseupdate/index.shtml
opinion's on striking:
http://www.nursingworld.org/tan/01marapr/letters.htm
julie mentioned in article is our _jt!
adding jcaho to round out discussion---see their report at link below.
jcaho: casualties tied to gaps in nursing
nursing shortage
nurse staffing levels were deemed a contributing factor in...
50% of ventilator-related incidents.
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42% of surgery-related incidents.
25% of transfusion incidents.
25% of delays in treatment.
25% of infant abductions.
19% of medication errors.
14% of inpatient suicides.
14% of patient falls.
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sources: joint commission on accrediting healthcare organizations analysis of 1,609 incidents from 1996
through march 2002.
https://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=171718#post171718
all of the above articles/resources show why when management won't listen to the experts they've hired to care for patients (nursing staff), that to protect the health and welfare of patients and the nurses ability to safely provide care without jeopardizing their license, rn'sand lpn's have the legal and ethical duty to strike to bring about effective change.
Hardknox
237 Posts
thats it! karen for president!