Retaliation for voicing concern over unsafe pratices - page 18

Hi, I am looking for some insight into retaliation acts by employers.I am a RN in a ICU setting at a major teaching hospital.I have been a resource to my entire unit.I received a promotion only... Read More

  1. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from panhandler
    tnn your situation is so very ugly.
    i have been wondering about setting up some rules of conduct in advance of employment with any institution.

    does anyone have experience with or ideas about nurses presenting their own contract at time of employment and/or with the annual review process?

    in the past we trusted our health-care-employers, but that time has ended. it came to an end when the bean-counters started running the hospitals.

    back-stabbing and politics is now the norm. patient care and safety take a back seat when a manager thinks her "numbers don't look good." high turnover rates --- totally undiscussable!!

    how, in the absence of a bargaining agent (union or state nurse association) can we secure our rights and responsibilities in a written legal and binding contract(and expect to continue employment or be hired)?
    amen panhandler , you are preaching to the choir! my days of believing my employer will do the correct ethical thing in any situation is gone...............including regarding my emloyment.this problem is huge...and it is ugly. the core of the problem is vast. on one hand....we cant assure patients will be protected from hc professionals praticing either r/t inexperience or/and just plainly practicing unsafely....bc....we as nurses are being asked to give up everything to assure they are protected.how many....after me.....at my hcf do you think will do the right ethical thing next time?how many are willing to loose all that i and my family have lost? i will post more tommorrow...gotta go to work now. but your line of thoughts...is the same as mine. we have to have some assurances here.:stone
  2. by   LadyCharge
    Quote from panhandler
    OMG OMG OMG
    What I am seeing here is the tip of the iceberg.
    Here's what we know:
    1)The "nursing shortage" is a manufactured lie.
    2)Experienced, innovative nurses are ground to a pulp by the system, ON PURPOSE.
    3)There is WAGE-FIXING rampant in the healthcare industry for RN's.
    4)The Nurses Associations have been de-clawed, de-fanged and de-balled. There is no effective representation for nurses.
    5)Retaliation is broad throughout the health care industry when it comes to quality improvement initiatives, and any action designed to adjust patient ratios to reflect safe staffing.
    6)There is no nation-wide pension plan specifically for nurses; there is no nation-wide health coverage for nurses; there simply is "no money": no money for nursing educators, nursing programs, nursing legal issues, and nursing rights. There isn't even any g/d representative of the profession for our funerals when we die.

    Who's got the cujones to take on this outrageous problem?

    Panhandler,
    You are telling it like it is! I like your style and wit. You are right on target as I read through your posts and others here. I have been out of circulation on this forum due to a family emergency that has just now settled down. Coming back online and catching up has been interesting. The question you ask is whose got the cujones to take on this outrageous problem is a good one. All I can say, is the nurses in California, COLLECTIVELY, took on the problem in their state and have made some very good changes. I just don't see that happening here in Florida - though it's not impossible that one day it may happen. Someone will rise to the occasion (hopefully). I for one...am planning to relocate to California, network with those in unions so I can glean the knowledge necessary to empower nurses in the South. It all starts with 'one' person who has the cujones - who is fearless - to stand up to those in power. If we 'lay down' we will 'stay down.' Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I for one believe that 'ALL things are possible with God on your side." And if God is for you, who can be against you? That is - if you Believe God! I also heard, 1 + God= the majority. Many hospitals in this country boast they are Christian hospitals with so-called christian values. Pa-leeeaaase! I may need an emesis basis as I ponder their values. It really is about profit and for whom? Obviously, not the patient let alone the nurse and ancillary personnel. Obviously, administration is very well compensated, not to mention their annual "bonus" is higher than an experienced RN's annual income.

    They are indeed making a profit and we who idly stand by allow this.
    Last edit by LadyCharge on Feb 7, '06
  3. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from ladycharge
    panhandler,
    you are telling it like it is! i like your style and wit. you are right on target as i read through your posts and others here. i have been out of circulation on this forum due to a family emergency that has just now settled down. coming back online and catching up has been interesting. the question you ask is whose got the cujones to take on this outrageous problem is a good one. all i can say, is the nurses in california, collectively, took on the problem in their state and have made some very good changes. i just don't see that happening here in florida - though it's not impossible that one day it may happen. someone will rise to the occasion (hopefully). i for one...am planning to relocate to california, network with those in unions so i can glean the knowledge necessary to empower nurses in the south. it all starts with 'one' person who has the cujones - who is fearless - to stand up to those in power. if we 'lay down' we will 'stay down.' nothing ventured, nothing gained. i for one believe that 'all things are possible with god on your side." and if god is for you, who can be against you? that is - if you believe god! i also heard, 1 + god= the majority. many hospitals in this country boast they are christian hospitals with so-called christian values. pa-leeeaaase! i may need an emesis basis as i ponder their values. it really is about profit and for whom? obviously, not the patient let alone the nurse and ancillary personnel. obviously, administration is very well compensated, not to mention their annual "bonus" is higher than an experienced rn's annual income.

    they are indeed making a profit and we who idly stand by allow this.
    [font="lucida sans unicode"]ladycharge,
    in situations like mine....when we do contact attorneys...we get told to allow the hcf one last chance for an investigation into their administrative personells ( aka my old manager) possible wrongdoing.this is commonly called a sham investigation.as of tomorrow i am suppost to receive the results of their "sham" investigation.in the begining i still had alot of faith in my old hcf and felt that just as soon as they realized what had happened....that they would correct it.that is how incredibly niave i was.
    this problem is rampant...it is wrong...it undermines everything that medicine and nursing stands for in the publics eyes.

    i was a valued employee who had promotion after promotion....letters of "what a great leader you are"...emails thanking me for all my dedication from the nm.i was dedicated...loved my job...loved my coworkers. then i stepped on the wrong political toes by complaining of their clinical "lack of competency".poof...after years of spotless service i was fired...it was done so quick i didnt even know what hit me.

    if.....if....i had not tape recorded several things ie:the nm voicing lie after lie.....inconsistency after inconsistency.....re: my termination events....do you even remotely think that id have had a legal leg to stand on? well...i wouldnt....but....i do have that nm among others on tape backing up what happened.i lost my job....something that meant alot to me. my family...lost their health ins....kids dental ins--gone .....life ins --gone... lt disability -- gone ....short term disability ins---gone.....educational benefits for me and my kids--gone.i didnt "ask" for what happened to me....so...after i finally hear the results of their investigation tomorrow( that only took 4 months-speedy wasnt it?)...if they think i will be silent if they dont offer a acceptable resolution.......they need to think again.... ...bc i am not going away.if forced to...you better believe i will take this in front of a jury....and thats just the way it is.i really think the public would benefit from having it on record what they do to nurses who take the nurse pratice act seriously and report unsafe practitioners.
    Last edit by Keysnurse2008 on Feb 7, '06
  4. by   TsunamiKim
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    [FONT=Arial Narrow] I feel bad knowing that you will face another cruel lie tomorrow; the “investigation” is pretty much guaranteed to be just another sham. These futile “going through the motions” exercises accomplish only one goal, DELAY! The fancy titles “Risk Management,” “Compliance Line” and other so called “Patient Safety” Hotlines are just what so many Hospitals have laughingly created to con the public into believing they are capable of self-policing. The Fox takes care of the Fox and all that’s left of the hens is a few pitiful feathers! The sum result of my former Hospital’s supposedly thorough “Compliance Line Investigation” into the issues that I raised was nothing in writing, no well documented report or outlined strategy for correcting the problems I raised. I was just told casually over the phone: “there does seem to be some truth to what you have reported, but we have decided to just keep an eye on things.”
    [FONT=Arial Narrow]They only very reluctantly agreed to bother investigating after insisting on deferring all possibility of reviewing the retaliation issue until after I had pursued all other options first. Only by isolating the negligence charges for separate more urgent action was I able to insist on any investigation at all! And this is Compliance? What action did they take? None, it was just a stalling tactic to placate the idiot employee while they put some serious distance between the complaint and the now further removed, discredited terminated employee. The rules of engagement are dictated by them, for their benefit and to help remove and silence dissenters like you. Expect them to dredge up the “Nursing shortage” as part of their lame excuse to make what you reported seem totally plausible and acceptable, they rarely fail to use this piece of BS. The old Nursing shortage excuse is very elastic, expansive and all inclusive; it can be used to cover up the most heinous of negligence crimes. Surely patient abandonment is only committed by the poor Nurse who dares to request a humane break in her overburdened schedule? TNNURSE thanks for that ABC news piece I have included this as one of the Links on my Petition. We need America to wake up to who the real culprits of negligent abandonment are. I will be so glad when we can stop resuscitating the ”Nursing shortage” excuse and call “time of death” on this sleazy deception.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] I am getting set to blow the lid of this scam once and for all. I may never have access to a day in court, they cheated me out of that, but that might well prove to be their downfall. No pending legal case means I have nothing to hold back, nothing to loose, and I will expose everything now, all the dirty little secrets, no holes barred. I have a strategy that includes a real “shame on you” exposure of not just any old Compliance Line, but the Compliance Line of the “Best Hospital in America;” the same Hospital that uses their sham Compliance Line and prestigious nationally acclaimed programs to hide negligence and deny accountability. Their public visibility on these issues with pious proclamations of honesty, integrity and transparency will lay them open to justifiable accusations of hypocrisy.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] All of the stall tactics that I fell for, the legal recourse I was cheated out of, will come back to haunt my former Hospital as it clearly demonstrates that, in good faith, I sought all other recourses first. I was even featured several times by the press without ever once taking the opportunity to reveal the details of my dispute with the Hospital over wrongful termination. I developed a well established reputation with several journalists, prompting one to do a big cover story. I diplomatically skated around any details of my working situation by saying that I was “on a sabbatical from my job in the OR at Hxxxxxx.” With no more expansive mention of my tragic personal battle for reinstatement after wrongful termination or the reasons behind my removal, they remained free of scrutiny: this took incredible restraint on my part. So much for taking the moral high ground; my former Hospital crawled in through the moral sewer! As difficult as it is to make this so much more public now, I am convinced it is in the public good. Your stories here have been a driving force in helping me to reach this point of firm conviction and I thank you all for it.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] Because of the stature of the institution and the programs that they have initiated, supposedly to deal with patient safety, the sheer hypocrisy of their response to my case is truly disgraceful. I hope the public will see that and it will prompt calls for more stringent controls and independent scrutiny over these types of so called “self policing.” It will be very hard for them to keep preaching their own virtues without finally dealing with their corrupt handling of my case. To add more weight to the call for accountability there is already one Petition on the Petition site from a patient who, after suffering a medical error, received the same devious cover-up and harassing tactics that I did. There is even a potential third Petitioner interested in joining the demand for accountability which will give us a whole lot more clout. His wife was another former patient who was treated with deception and lies after serious errors were made; their story is already posted elsewhere on the Internet. This meets an ethical journalistic requirement of reporting not the isolated experience of one individual, but exposing a pattern of behavior, documented by three credible witnesses, that should rightfully be brought to the public’s attention.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] My biggest worry is that the Petition will be ignored, that few will see it, let alone sign it. This will be especially crucial in the first two weeks while it remains on the entry page for the Petition Site where it is most visible. It will only stay on page one if it gains popular support with a high volume of signatures. I will need a lot of help getting the support and signatures I necessary for my Petition to remain in that high visibility spot. This is perhaps a valid way for Nurses to campaign for change and others might consider creating a Petition too. The reward of signing my Petition is two fold. One: it contains over 200 useful links making it more of a research document than a Petition. Two if we can shock the people I am targeting into taking notice then I believe they will feel compelled to investigate and make significant changes to Compliance policies to save face. Another important part of buffing their tarnished image will be to use a tactic they have employed to their advantage before. They may well try to usher in industry wide changes as a means of riding out the PR storm, which was how they responded to the tragic death of a pediatric patient who fell victim to negligent oversight at their Hospital a few years ago. The program they set up in response to that incident and various other efforts they made were truly admirable. However, these bold initiatives are futile as they will remain inadequate and ineffective unless reliable safeguards to stringently protect whistleblowers from retaliation are put in place. I hope to create a media storm that will prompt a similar shock response, as that has the potential for providing beneficial reform across the country that will affect all medical professionals and our patients..
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] Although the events that bought me to this point remain a personal battle for vindication, the above motivation could benefit us all and finally provide the healthy, genuine safety protections for patients we are all seeking. The importance of your posts regarding other similar experiences of retaliation against Nurses attempting to protect patients from harm is that the individuals I have targeted must realize that this is not just one battle about one incident and their help is needed to effect change. When I say “targeted” I refer to their ability to correct the current situation not any particular past involvement with corrupt practices. I try to think the best of people and prefer to imagine that they have no idea of the gapping holes that exist within their own Compliance program. I like to think that both men would have taken action if they had not been duped into thinking that I was just a “disgruntled former employee seeking revenge;” I hope my persistence and this Petition will convince them otherwise. If they ignore this very public call for an appropriate investigation that they were obligated to conduct several years ago, but fraudulently reneged on, they will be under suspicion too.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] I will want to post the names and contact information for both of these influential Doctors on this site so that Nurses can call them and request that they take action. Their names will be on the Petition and their contact details are readily available on the internet, but it would be helpful to post them here. It will be similar to posting an appeal to call your Senator and providing the number. I am confused and do not want to break any rules here: is this permissible within the rules of this site to post their names and phone numbers? The tenure of any calls must focus on polite calls for change. It is important to convince these two influential individuals that there is a great need throughout the US Healthcare system for “Risk Management” and “Compliance Lines” to come under stricter scrutiny, for Managers to show just cause before firing someone and for HR to do more than rubber stamp the corrupt removal of outspoken employees. Your personal stories of victimization and retaliation must convince them that the problem is far greater than just what has happened at their Hospital.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] Although I felt deeply betrayed by everyone at my former Hospital and, so far, totally ignored by these two Doctors both of whom I have written to several times, I realize that they generally excel at “noble causes” and I must enlist their help not insult, annoy or antagonize them. In calls to them I would ask that you do the same thing; by focusing on what they are capable of doing to improve patient safety nationwide we can possible enlist their help in accomplishing something tangible at last. A strong showing of support in Petition signatures and a few strong reminders of their duty to the public may convince them to take my warnings seriously at last and take a more critical look at their Compliance Line, HR and a few out of control Managers. They should be encouraged to understand that there are tangible benefits for Hospitals too, as focusing on the real dangers will help prevent further harm to patients and future expensive settlements.
    [FONT=Arial Narrow] Please moderators let me know if posting these two names and contacts is OK in this context? I am fast approaching my posting deadline and I need all the help I can get, thank you all for your support,
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    [FONT=Arial Narrow] Fair Winds & Following Seas, Tsunami Kim.
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    [FONT=Arial Narrow]PS: Tsunami Kim is calling for your help. The Picture shows me with two "SHEEP" Medical Volunteers, calling home from the PACTEC Internet Tent at the UN Compound in Meulaboh. I want to go back out, but vindication clearing away the false allegations against me stands in the way of gaining the credibility I need to obtain an NGO backer to support my ambitious program in Aceh.
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  5. by   LadyCharge
    Quote from tnnurse
    [font="lucida sans unicode"]ladycharge,
    in situations like mine....when we do contact attorneys...we get told to allow the hcf one last chance for an investigation into their administrative personells ( aka my old manager) possible wrongdoing.this is commonly called a sham investigation.as of tomorrow i am suppost to receive the results of their "sham" investigation.in the begining i still had alot of faith in my old hcf and felt that just as soon as they realized what had happened....that they would correct it.that is how incredibly niave i was.
    this problem is rampant...it is wrong...it undermines everything that medicine and nursing stands for in the publics eyes.

    i was a valued employee who had promotion after promotion....letters of "what a great leader you are"...emails thanking me for all my dedication from the nm.i was dedicated...loved my job...loved my coworkers. then i stepped on the wrong political toes by complaining of their clinical "lack of competency".poof...after years of spotless service i was fired...it was done so quick i didnt even know what hit me.

    if.....if....i had not tape recorded several things ie:the nm voicing lie after lie.....inconsistency after inconsistency.....re: my termination events....do you even remotely think that id have had a legal leg to stand on? well...i wouldnt....but....i do have that nm among others on tape backing up what happened.i lost my job....something that meant alot to me. my family...lost their health ins....kids dental ins--gone .....life ins --gone... lt disability -- gone ....short term disability ins---gone.....educational benefits for me and my kids--gone.i didnt "ask" for what happened to me....so...after i finally hear the results of their investigation tomorrow( that only took 4 months-speedy wasnt it?)...if they think i will be silent if they dont offer a acceptable resolution.......they need to think again.... ...bc i am not going away.if forced to...you better believe i will take this in front of a jury....and thats just the way it is.i really think the public would benefit from having it on record what they do to nurses who take the nurse pratice act seriously and report unsafe practitioners.
    you go girl! i think your case sounds like a "perfect" example that needs to go on television! why not contact your local news media and sit down and talk to a reporter who would love to expose these kinds of injustices considering the so-called, nursing shortage??? if your case were to go to trial, it will be expensive, however, perhaps there is a way you can obtain funding to help offset these costs?

    i think these people need to be held accountible and used as an example to every hospital in the u.s. from what you are telling us, it sounds like you have an excellent case and you are right; if you didn't have your nm on tape, you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on, short of witnesses. i have sadly found here in the south that southern nurses do not have cujones because they are job scared - which is a way to control nurses. as you say, you lost all your benefits and this has affected your family.

    though my experience hasn't been as severe as yours, i can truthfully say that the hospital i once worked is no different than yours. its all about their new buildings, profits, bonus's, and megabucks they pocket for themselves. i resigned from my hospital last year, gave proper written and verbal notice, and my nm cheated me out of 2 days pay thinking because i moved to another state i would do nothing about it. well, i've been trying to collect the money i earned for over a year now and they still have not paid me. i went through a process to no avail. they are now forcing me to go the labor board before the statute of limitations runs out. all this trouble for two days pay! i earned it, why do they refuse it? i am telling you the truth before god, those people cheated me out of my fair wages! and this is a popular hospital in my area who has done this! however, i will not go away because its a matter of principles and taking a stand for whats right. i wish i could write a column in the news paper exposing this hospital for their greedy practices.

    there is more to this story, and this is not the first time they have shorted me (and many others) on our pay checks. they get away with it because they are a huge corporation and hide behind a smug, self-assured, power. however, all it takes is "one" person who has the gutts to stand up to them and expose them, as weak as they think we are. standing up for truth and righteousness is very often not an easy task, but it doesnt negate or justify our responsibility to do it anyway regardless of the might and power of the adversary! i have learned to pick and choose my battles as i get older. some people, who have been given authority, and misuse that authority and power need to be confronted and held accountible. many in management have not the character, let alone adequate skills to lead a team! they are blind guides leading the blind - they will both fall into a ditch.

    my prayers are with you and your family. though i do not know you personally, i want you to know that i for one, (and i think many here on this forum as well) are very proud of you and stand with you. if there is something your attorney can think of that can involve the assistance of other loyal and dedicated nurses to our profession, then let us know. we want to see you win!!!!! because you are right!
    Last edit by LadyCharge on Feb 8, '06
  6. by   gauge14iv
    TNNURSE
    Did you ever get my private message?
  7. by   Keysnurse2008
    guage14..I did today.(I should have checked them before ).I will PM you later tonight with an update.
    What happened to me.....can happen to anyone.I was an excellent nurse at my hospital...had never been written up in all my years of employment....gpt promotion after promotion....raise after raise.....email after email thanking me for all the things I did "so right" at my job....I got them all the way up until apx 12-24 hours before I complained about my nurse managers friend functioning at a below par/safe level with our very critical ICU patients. Then poof....after years of service without a blemish I was gone.It was done so quick I never knew what hit me.The NM has had a lil difficulty " rememebering " which lie she has told....she cant even stay consistent on which date she did anything on .Whats the old saying?Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we pratice to deceive.
    Hopefully tonight I can post the results of their "alledged" investigation. As bad as it probably sounds.....this whole thing still just.......breaks my heart. I loved my job.....I loved my coworkers.....I really liked the work I did and put so much of me into it.I did extra projects to help the new grads, volunteered in nsg research studies at my hospital......things I didnt have to do....but did them anyway bc of my love for Nursing.What they took away from me is much more than "just a job".And I lost that.........
    As if it didnt get any worse....my brother and I had a family vacation planned for years. We were taking my very sick dad (CHF/CVA's)first cruise ever to Mexico.My coworkers and NM knew I had planned this trip for my dad......want to know when they fired me? Apx 3 days before my cruise. I spent the cruise.....not enjoying my dad and family......but trying to keep a smile on my face when they were present while crying inside.They have taken everything they can from me.....so a jury....I am not worried about.I think the public does need to know what happens to nurses when they really try to be patient safety advocates.:yeahthat:
  8. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from tsunamikim
    i feel bad knowing that you will face another cruel lie tomorrow; the "investigation" is pretty much guaranteed to be just another sham. these futile "going through the motions" exercises accomplish only one goal, delay! the fancy titles "risk management," "compliance line" and other so called "patient safety" hotlines are just what so many hospitals have laughingly created to con the public into believing they are capable of self-policing. the fox takes care of the fox and all that's left of the hens is a few pitiful feathers! the sum result of my former hospital's supposedly thorough "compliance line investigation" into the issues that i raised was nothing in writing, no well documented report or outlined strategy for correcting the problems i raised. i was just told casually over the phone: "there does seem to be some truth to what you have reported, but we have decided to just keep an eye on things."
    they only very reluctantly agreed to bother investigating after insisting on deferring all possibility of reviewing the retaliation issue until after i had pursued all other options first. only by isolating the negligence charges for separate more urgent action was i able to insist on any investigation at all! and this is compliance? what action did they take? none, it was just a stalling tactic to placate the idiot employee while they put some serious distance between the complaint and the now further removed, discredited terminated employee. the rules of engagement are dictated by them, for their benefit and to help remove and silence dissenters like you. expect them to dredge up the "nursing shortage" as part of their lame excuse to make what you reported seem totally plausible and acceptable, they rarely fail to use this piece of bs. the old nursing shortage excuse is very elastic, expansive and all inclusive; it can be used to cover up the most heinous of negligence crimes. surely patient abandonment is only committed by the poor nurse who dares to request a humane break in her overburdened schedule? tnnurse thanks for that abc news piece i have included this as one of the links on my petition. we need america to wake up to who the real culprits of negligent abandonment are. i will be so glad when we can stop resuscitating the "nursing shortage" excuse and call "time of death" on this sleazy deception.
    i am getting set to blow the lid of this scam once and for all. i may never have access to a day in court, they cheated me out of that, but that might well prove to be their downfall. no pending legal case means i have nothing to hold back, nothing to loose, and i will expose everything now, all the dirty little secrets, no holes barred. i have a strategy that includes a real "shame on you" exposure of not just any old compliance line, but the compliance line of the "best hospital in america;" the same hospital that uses their sham compliance line and prestigious nationally acclaimed programs to hide negligence and deny accountability. their public visibility on these issues with pious proclamations of honesty, integrity and transparency will lay them open to justifiable accusations of hypocrisy.
    all of the stall tactics that i fell for, the legal recourse i was cheated out of, will come back to haunt my former hospital as it clearly demonstrates that, in good faith, i sought all other recourses first. i was even featured several times by the press without ever once taking the opportunity to reveal the details of my dispute with the hospital over wrongful termination. i developed a well established reputation with several journalists, prompting one to do a big cover story. i diplomatically skated around any details of my working situation by saying that i was "on a sabbatical from my job in the or at hxxxxxx." with no more expansive mention of my tragic personal battle for reinstatement after wrongful termination or the reasons behind my removal, they remained free of scrutiny: this took incredible restraint on my part. so much for taking the moral high ground; my former hospital crawled in through the moral sewer! as difficult as it is to make this so much more public now, i am convinced it is in the public good. your stories here have been a driving force in helping me to reach this point of firm conviction and i thank you all for it.
    because of the stature of the institution and the programs that they have initiated, supposedly to deal with patient safety, the sheer hypocrisy of their response to my case is truly disgraceful. i hope the public will see that and it will prompt calls for more stringent controls and independent scrutiny over these types of so called "self policing." it will be very hard for them to keep preaching their own virtues without finally dealing with their corrupt handling of my case. to add more weight to the call for accountability there is already one petition on the petition site from a patient who, after suffering a medical error, received the same devious cover-up and harassing tactics that i did. there is even a potential third petitioner interested in joining the demand for accountability which will give us a whole lot more clout. his wife was another former patient who was treated with deception and lies after serious errors were made; their story is already posted elsewhere on the internet. this meets an ethical journalistic requirement of reporting not the isolated experience of one individual, but exposing a pattern of behavior, documented by three credible witnesses, that should rightfully be brought to the public's attention.
    my biggest worry is that the petition will be ignored, that few will see it, let alone sign it. this will be especially crucial in the first two weeks while it remains on the entry page for the petition site where it is most visible. it will only stay on page one if it gains popular support with a high volume of signatures. i will need a lot of help getting the support and signatures i necessary for my petition to remain in that high visibility spot. this is perhaps a valid way for nurses to campaign for change and others might consider creating a petition too. the reward of signing my petition is two fold. one: it contains over 200 useful links making it more of a research document than a petition. two if we can shock the people i am targeting into taking notice then i believe they will feel compelled to investigate and make significant changes to compliance policies to save face. another important part of buffing their tarnished image will be to use a tactic they have employed to their advantage before. they may well try to usher in industry wide changes as a means of riding out the pr storm, which was how they responded to the tragic death of a pediatric patient who fell victim to negligent oversight at their hospital a few years ago. the program they set up in response to that incident and various other efforts they made were truly admirable. however, these bold initiatives are futile as they will remain inadequate and ineffective unless reliable safeguards to stringently protect whistleblowers from retaliation are put in place. i hope to create a media storm that will prompt a similar shock response, as that has the potential for providing beneficial reform across the country that will affect all medical professionals and our patients..
    although the events that bought me to this point remain a personal battle for vindication, the above motivation could benefit us all and finally provide the healthy, genuine safety protections for patients we are all seeking. the importance of your posts regarding other similar experiences of retaliation against nurses attempting to protect patients from harm is that the individuals i have targeted must realize that this is not just one battle about one incident and their help is needed to effect change. when i say "targeted" i refer to their ability to correct the current situation not any particular past involvement with corrupt practices. i try to think the best of people and prefer to imagine that they have no idea of the gapping holes that exist within their own compliance program. i like to think that both men would have taken action if they had not been duped into thinking that i was just a "disgruntled former employee seeking revenge;" i hope my persistence and this petition will convince them otherwise. if they ignore this very public call for an appropriate investigation that they were obligated to conduct several years ago, but fraudulently reneged on, they will be under suspicion too.
    i will want to post the names and contact information for both of these influential doctors on this site so that nurses can call them and request that they take action. their names will be on the petition and their contact details are readily available on the internet, but it would be helpful to post them here. it will be similar to posting an appeal to call your senator and providing the number. i am confused and do not want to break any rules here: is this permissible within the rules of this site to post their names and phone numbers? the tenure of any calls must focus on polite calls for change. it is important to convince these two influential individuals that there is a great need throughout the us healthcare system for "risk management" and "compliance lines" to come under stricter scrutiny, for managers to show just cause before firing someone and for hr to do more than rubber stamp the corrupt removal of outspoken employees. your personal stories of victimization and retaliation must convince them that the problem is far greater than just what has happened at their hospital.
    although i felt deeply betrayed by everyone at my former hospital and, so far, totally ignored by these two doctors both of whom i have written to several times, i realize that they generally excel at "noble causes" and i must enlist their help not insult, annoy or antagonize them. in calls to them i would ask that you do the same thing; by focusing on what they are capable of doing to improve patient safety nationwide we can possible enlist their help in accomplishing something tangible at last. a strong showing of support in petition signatures and a few strong reminders of their duty to the public may convince them to take my warnings seriously at last and take a more critical look at their compliance line, hr and a few out of control managers. they should be encouraged to understand that there are tangible benefits for hospitals too, as focusing on the real dangers will help prevent further harm to patients and future expensive settlements.
    please moderators let me know if posting these two names and contacts is ok in this context? i am fast approaching my posting deadline and i need all the help i can get, thank you all for your support,

    fair winds & following seas, tsunami kim.

    ps: tsunami kim is calling for your help. the picture shows me with two "sheep" medical volunteers, calling home from the pactec internet tent at the un compound in meulaboh. i want to go back out, but vindication clearing away the false allegations against me stands in the way of gaining the credibility i need to obtain an ngo backer to support my ambitious program in aceh.


    [font="comic sans ms"]wow tsunamikim.....it sounds like you are doing some incredible work!!!!!!way to go......this brings it home folks.......events that happened to me and others like tsunamikim aare not happening to "problem " nurses.......they are happening to some of the best nurses out there who are very vocal patient safety advocates.who look around at work and note all the things going "right" and all the potential problems that should be addressed before something goes :" tragically wrong".:angel2:
  9. by   lindarn
    Quote from tnnurse
    [font="lucida sans unicode"]ladycharge,
    in situations like mine....when we do contact attorneys...we get told to allow the hcf one last chance for an investigation into their administrative personells ( aka my old manager) possible wrongdoing.this is commonly called a sham investigation.as of tomorrow i am suppost to receive the results of their "sham" investigation.in the begining i still had alot of faith in my old hcf and felt that just as soon as they realized what had happened....that they would correct it.that is how incredibly niave i was.
    this problem is rampant...it is wrong...it undermines everything that medicine and nursing stands for in the publics eyes.

    i was a valued employee who had promotion after promotion....letters of "what a great leader you are"...emails thanking me for all my dedication from the nm.i was dedicated...loved my job...loved my coworkers. then i stepped on the wrong political toes by complaining of their clinical "lack of competency".poof...after years of spotless service i was fired...it was done so quick i didnt even know what hit me.

    if.....if....i had not tape recorded several things ie:the nm voicing lie after lie.....inconsistency after inconsistency.....re: my termination events....do you even remotely think that id have had a legal leg to stand on? well...i wouldnt....but....i do have that nm among others on tape backing up what happened.i lost my job....something that meant alot to me. my family...lost their health ins....kids dental ins--gone .....life ins --gone... lt disability -- gone ....short term disability ins---gone.....educational benefits for me and my kids--gone.i didnt "ask" for what happened to me....so...after i finally hear the results of their investigation tomorrow( that only took 4 months-speedy wasnt it?)...if they think i will be silent if they dont offer a acceptable resolution.......they need to think again.... ...bc i am not going away.if forced to...you better believe i will take this in front of a jury....and thats just the way it is.i really think the public would benefit from having it on record what they do to nurses who take the nurse pratice act seriously and report unsafe practitioners.

    while i agree with you 110%, i believe that most labor laws require you to go through internal grievance procedures before going out side the company (hospital) to try to fix the problem, or get judicial relief. this is especially when you are represented by a labor union, you are required to do this. i receive the findlaw updates on labor law, and read the holdings (opinions/findings), of the court in labor cases/lawsuits. you cannot believe how many of them give summary judgements- find in favor of the defendants (employers/hospitals), because plaintiffs (individuals- employees), did not complete either their union grievances, (usually four), or the internal grievance procedures outlined in personnel manuals.

    again, i agree, it is a kangaroo court, favors the employer,and designed to wear out the individual who is filing the complaint, or grievance. they hope that you will just give up out of frustration, or you will somehow screw up before you win the grievance/internal complaint procedures, and then they can legitimately fire you for "just cause". it is designed completely against the employee.

    the worst part of it, if you have an incompetant union, and many of us do, you have to jump through all of these "grievances", before you can retain an attorney, and this cna take a year.that is why the attorneys will turn you down, and tell you to go through all of the grievances. it really limits your ability to get your problem solved, and from what i have seen, there are few internal grievances, or union actions, that provide the relief to an employee, that a lawsuit will.

    i took employment law when i was in the legal nurse certificate program here at spokane community college. i also have learned how to do legal research while i was in the program. while i was taking employment law, i came across some washington state law dealing with a lawsuit from some employees at a company. the court held that if the union did not provide the employees with settling a grievance, within four months, the employees could take their grievance to an outside lawyer after 4 months to settle their case. it was considered "futile",if the union could not settle it within that time frame.the employees were then able to make the union pay all of its attorney/legal fees that they incurred because they had to take the grievance to an outside attorney to get it setteled. the longer it goes on, the less chance that you will win. again, this case was washington state case law, and i would have to check to see if it was overturned. in other words, don't quote me on this, i am not giving anyone legal advice. but i wish that i had known this when i still worked in a hospital. i would have used this, for sure.

    lindarn, rn, bsn, ccrn
    spokane, washington
  10. by   Keysnurse2008
    Quote from lindarn
    while i agree with you 110%, i believe that most labor laws require you to go through internal grievance procedures before going out side the company (hospital) to try to fix the problem, or get judicial relief. this is especially when you are represented by a labor union, you are required to do this. i receive the findlaw updates on labor law, and read the holdings (opinions/findings), of the court in labor cases/lawsuits. you cannot believe how many of them give summary judgements- find in favor of the defendants (employers/hospitals), because plaintiffs (individuals- employees), did not complete either their union grievances, (usually four), or the internal grievance procedures outlined in personnel manuals.

    again, i agree, it is a kangaroo court, favors the employer,and designed to wear out the individual who is filing the complaint, or grievance. they hope that you will just give up out of frustration, or you will somehow screw up before you win the grievance/internal complaint procedures, and then they can legitimately fire you for "just cause". it is designed completely against the employee.

    the worst part of it, if you have an incompetant union, and many of us do, you have to jump through all of these "grievances", before you can retain an attorney, and this cna take a year.that is why the attorneys will turn you down, and tell you to go through all of the grievances. it really limits your ability to get your problem solved, and from what i have seen, there are few internal grievances, or union actions, that provide the relief to an employee, that a lawsuit will.

    i took employment law when i was in the legal nurse certificate program here at spokane community college. i also have learned how to do legal research while i was in the program. while i was taking employment law, i came across some washington state law dealing with a lawsuit from some employees at a company. the court held that if the union did not provide the employees with settling a grievance, within four months, the employees could take their grievance to an outside lawyer after 4 months to settle their case. it was considered "futile",if the union could not settle it within that time frame.the employees were then able to make the union pay all of its attorney/legal fees that they incurred because they had to take the grievance to an outside attorney to get it setteled. the longer it goes on, the less chance that you will win. again, this case was washington state case law, and i would have to check to see if it was overturned. in other words, don't quote me on this, i am not giving anyone legal advice. but i wish that i had known this when i still worked in a hospital. i would have used this, for sure.

    lindarn, rn, bsn, ccrn
    spokane, washington
    [font="verdana"]lindarn...i do not have a union involved..so in that aspect i probably am better off. i still have not gotten an "answer" from this hcf re: their nurse manager being caught in lie after lie after lie .i can not believe that this hcf wants that type of person representing their hospital.but.....if thats what they want then i feel the public has a right to know . i am legally protected under numerous statutes and of course the nurse pratice act...so i am not worried ( and i have a great attorney).i tried to do the correct ethical and legal thing and reported this unsafe pratice of my nurse managers friend. i was fired in retaliation. that....is just wrong. legally wrong,ethically wrong, morally wrong...but again legally wrong. i am still "waiting" for their results of their investigation...suprised? i have the nm on tape admitting she knew her friend altered a medical record, then slipped it in the chart, then fired me bc it was.......in the chart her friend had just ...??? placed it in? before this happened to me i was incredibly niave.i loved my job and ...my coworkers,...and the unit i worked on. it isnt ethically right what happened to me...and it isnt legally right either. i lost my job, my family lost their health ins, dental ins, retirement, educational benefits, long term disability, short term disability,....i lost that....we lost that....bc i complained about this nurses unsafe pratices. that is just wrong.....and i was so stupid. i "thought" as soon as they realize what happened to me this hcf would "correct" their mistake. that was 5 months ago. every patient in a hospital bed is "someone" to "somebody".....and when nurses ,like me, are effectively silenced when they complain of a nurse /physician who is not functioning safely what happens to the patients? i saw a problem that could cause harm to a patient...and i spoke up.....and even after every thing i have been through.i dont regret it. so...i guess its time for a jury to hear this hcf's nurse manager on audiotape telling lie after lie, contradiction everywhere bc she cant keep her lies straight. am i glad about that? no....no i am not....really it still breaks my heart to think that this hcf is going to have to defend a nm who truly does not represent what the "core" of that hospital is.i guess....i am still niave and stupid.i started this...in the spirit of protecting patients and making sure this nurse got more orientation....what it turned into is something that has shocked and broken my heart.
  11. by   Keysnurse2008
    i had promised to give routine updates to the ones who have folowed my thread here. i am still awaiting " the results " -ahem...of their ( aka my old hcf's) "sham" investigation.my old coworkers...were not interviewed for months after my termination ( if at all).they have had "months" now to see that it doesnt pay to be a vocal patient safety advocate. if....this hcf had really been attempting to evaluate/investigate what occurred regarding my retaliatory termination then....they would have done initial interviews immediately after my retaliatory discharge.so....on that note their inactions have spoke volumes to both myself and my old coworkers.they are obviously still attempting to work out how they are going to get past all the lies told by the nm and her cohort surrounding my termination ( only bc they know i have the nm on audiotape telling lie after lie after crazy habitual lie).it will be very very difficult for them to get past the very real facts of the nm on tape telling lie after lie .i was a patient safety advocate and i was fired in an attempt to silence me and discredit my complaints. it didnt work. i will post routinely until i have the "results" of their sham investigation for everyone.in all my years at this hospital...i never had a "write up"...nor a verbal reprimand. my employee file is filled with tons of emails describing my "leadership/skills/excellent performance, and excellent yearly evals, raise after raise ( went from 18 to 30 $ an hr in only 4 years bc i was an excellent ccrn ). i loved my job.....spoke up about my nm's best friend who was functioning in an unsafe manner....then after years of being a high performer i was fired for a lie told by my nm.sad thing is.....i had to tape record that nm telling lie after lie to even "qualify" for the sham investigation by the hcf. months later ......they are still unwilling to go on the record backing that nm re: my termination...and i am the one who has suffered the losses.i lost my job to begin with etc etc etc.

    every state has to have tougher , clearly defined whistleblower laws...bc ...if this can happen to me......it can happen to you!if i hadn't tape recorded that nm voicing her habitual lies.....then i would have been the victim of this hcf. you guys were right.....i was naive to think that corporate hcf's really care about functioning with any sense of ethics.......and that breaks my heart.
    again....i promised to keep everyone posted on what has/has not occurred re : my thread....and thats what i will do as i progress thru the saga. bc.....i.....am not going away. i'll keep you guys posted! and get involved with your state's nsg association!give the gift of your presence and participation to your state's nsg associations legislative efforts!!!!!!!!!
    Last edit by Keysnurse2008 on Mar 1, '06
  12. by   pickledpepperRN
    Thank you.
    I am sure many of us want to know what they are doing.
    And how you are.
    They are wrong. You are right.
  13. by   Soleilpie
    Keep up the good work TNNURSE! I'm on your side and will be praying for you!

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