Obamacare and Nursing.. what do you think?

[OKNurse2be]

I know that I am possibly opening up a can of ugly worms. I hope that in spite of differing opinions, that this thread can remain friendly and a simple exchange of ideas and opinions.

As a beginning nursing student, I am being told that there is this looming nursing shortage and that there is great job security. A little research on my own shows me that in my particular state, there definitely is a decent population of still practicing nurses who are 60 years and older who will be retiring soon, which would open up the way for us who are just getting started. More and more emphasis is also being put on the new healthcare law and how it will open the doors for more people to access medical care which again will increase the need for staffing.

I grew up in a country with a socialistic government, which also includes healthcare for everyone. I have seen how the hospitals are understaffed, and you are lucky if you get to spend 5 minutes with your physician, and you are not in control over which healthcare facility you can go to. I know that the new bill isn't necessarily socialistic, but there are socialistic principles in it.

As a nursing student, I can't help but wonder how this is going to affect my future as a nurse. I know that nurses talk among themselves and things trickle down from above onto the floors. Nothing is going to keep me from becoming a nurse. I am not in it for the money, but rather I feel somehow "called." However, I believe that it's good to be prepared for times ahead so that I can adjust accordingly.

How do you think that Obamacare is going to affect how care is delivered?

By the way, this is NOT a homework assignment of any kind. I am merely looking for for a friendly exchange of ideas and opinions.

[Dewman]

"...a few "lies" of the Obama administration..."

Wow. You are even more "in the tank" for Obama than I would have believed humanly possible.

BTW, the Obama administration's deceit reached the level of "a few lies" about five minutes into his first inaugural address.

[Dewman]

I suspect that you do not have the capacity to "politely" do ANYTHING.

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

Good day, toomuchbaloney:

The term, obamabot was not coined by you; it has been in long existence in the twitterverse and other news outlets. You've yet to deal with the very facts President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and the democrats who voted on the 100% partisan ObambaCare bill lied to pass the bill.

Which is why At the end of EVERY day, you have President Obama, Vice President Biden (who recently admitted on video the hope and change they promised FAILED), Nancy Pelosi, and the other democrats who voted on a completely partisan bill who LIED to American public to get their bill (which Nancy Pelosi stated you had to pass to know what's in it vs. READING the darn thing) passed.

Lie -> If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor PERIOD.

Lie -> If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it, PERIOD.

Lie -> ER visits will be reduced.

Lie -> Families will save $2,500 per year PERIOD.

goes over the lies.

Thank you.

[toomuchbaloney]

Good day, toomuchbaloney:

The term, obamabot was not coined by you; it has been in long existence in the twitterverse and other news outlets. You've yet to deal with the very facts President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and the democrats who voted on the 100% partisan ObambaCare bill lied to pass the bill.

Which is why At the end of EVERY day, you have President Obama, Vice President Biden (who recently admitted on video the hope and change they promised FAILED), Nancy Pelosi, and the other democrats who voted on a completely partisan bill who LIED to American public to get their bill (which Nancy Pelosi stated you had to pass to know what's in it vs. READING the darn thing) passed.

Lie -> If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor PERIOD.

Lie -> If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it, PERIOD.

Lie -> ER visits will be reduced.

Lie -> Families will save $2,500 per year PERIOD.

goes over the lies.

Thank you.

I will be as bothered by these "lies" and the passage of a conservative fix to the health crisis we face when "conservatives" seem to be the least little bit troubled by the actual planned and intentional lies of George W Bush (et al) which resulted in loss of thousands of lives, the crippling of thousands of military personnel, the expenditure of trillions of dollars, and the destabilization of a country.

I'll take a few inaccurate statements about a health insurance reform bill over those sort of lies created and delivered with intent to go to war any old day. You may prioritize however you prefer. The fact that you are more disturbed by those 4 statements than the lies that took us to war is revealing, really.

Frankly, most anything that is passed in Congress since Obama was elected is done so with very little republican support. That says nothing about the individual bills but says a great deal about the republicans who have vowed to make this president appear a failure as outlined in public by McConnell when Obama was elected. It seems that republican leadership and the propaganda machine have determined that they can, in today's media, adversely affect the sentiment about this POTUS. They are trying really really hard to cause some damage to the country that will be associated with Obama long term thereby also harming his legacy. It is a sad thing to watch.

[Dewman]

Tissue?

It is revealing that you yourself are so blinded by hate of the previous administration, that you cannot see any of the blatant shortcomings of the current.

You are guilty of the very same hate you accuse others of.

[toomuchbaloney]

Tissue?

It is revealing that you yourself are so blinded by hate of the previous administration, that you cannot see any of the blatant shortcomings of the current.

You are guilty of the very same hate you accuse others of.

Hate? Really? I simply look at that administration with intent to understand what the heck happened so that we do not repeat ANY of the folly that was the policy of GWB and Cheney.

I see plenty of shortcomings of this POTUS, however, NONE of them rise to the level of costing thousands of AMERICAN LIVES. It is telling that so many republicans are willing to simply accept lies that maimed and murdered their fellow citizens and countless citizens of another country. It says something that there is no desire or intent to EVER examine those lies by that administration amongst republican voters.

It is unfortunate that without the willingness to evaluate past failed behavior and policy, some conservatives push for more of the same failed behavior and policy. Nothing is learned from the lies mistakes of the GWB presidency.

[Dewman]

Yes, hate. Really. Yours.

And for someone who pointed out to ME that this thread was about Obamacare (aka, the Unaffordable Care Act), you certainly spend a lot of time fixated on things you hate that happened over a decade ago.

[toomuchbaloney]

Yes, hate. Really. Yours.

And for someone who pointed out to ME that this thread was about Obamacare (aka, the Unaffordable Care Act), you certainly spend a lot of time fixated on things you hate that happened over a decade ago.

Okay.

You may (mis)characterize my sentiments about the lies of presidents however best suits you.

I am not fixated at all on the malfeasance of the GWB administration (as some are fixated on the misstatements of Obama on a health insurance reform). However, I am aware that there is significant danger in ignoring historical facts while promoting the same and similar nonsence which has proven to be political and governmental folly in the past.

The fact that so many conservatives refuse to examine the failures of their political policy during the last administration is alarming.

The ACA is an insurance reform which was based in a very conservative notion that all people should be mandated to obtain health insurance. Republicans don't like it because it happened on Obama's watch. They have spent billions of dollars trying to repeal it. They have spent countless hours trash talking it. Republican propaganda has spread lies about it. They have determined that they will thwart it at the state level by not expanding their medicaid programs even though they are essentially already "paying" for that coverage. The republican leadership in those states are very willing to gamble with the health and lives of their poorer constituents to make a political point. Already, this republican agenda has adversely affected their constituents but apparently no compassionate conservatives exist anymore to care about those people.

It continues to surprise me, how many health professionals, seem to have a problem with an insurance reform which is intended to improve the access of Americans to the health care system. I am too often surprised at how many nurses seem to promote a system which increasingly is about profit rather than people and/or health outcomes.

[Dewman]

Well, you've hit nearly all of the tired, worn-out, DNC talking points, like I would expect from someone so deeply in the tank.

Peace. Out.

[toomuchbaloney]

Well, you've hit nearly all of the tired, worn-out, DNC talking points, like I would expect from someone so deeply in the tank.

Peace. Out.

Perhaps you could explain this comment?

What do you mean by tired and worn out? Have the lies of the Bush administation been investigated and the liars held accountable?

[Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN]

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How do you think that Obamacare is going to affect how care is delivered?

Please lets get back to topic and remember debate the post not the poster.

[MunoRN, RN]

Since Obamacare deals primarily with how we pay for healthcare, not how it's delivered, it shouldn't be too surprising that if that discussion quickly turns into general health insurance debate, most of which seem to degrade into nothing more than a political back and forth because the discussion over reform itself quickly hits a dead end.

Given the scope of it I highly doubt we'll find anyone who likes everything about it, particularly since whenever we talk about how to pay for healthcare, the first thing many will notice is how much our total healthcare bill in the US is, which rightly seems to be what is most upsetting to people and that frustration gets imposed on any system for paying that bill.

Personally, my problem with it is the basic structure of it, I don't think a relatively unregulated market system is the best way to provide a product that is legally required to be provided to everyone, I think the system we use to pay for it should match how we expect the product to be distributed. Obamacare just tries to punch a square peg through a round hole.

That system is pretty clearly more closely associated with conservative ideals on insurance reform compared to liberal ideals. Conservatives frequently make the argument that Obamacare wasn't the right way to do it, the evidence for that argument is what the better way or ways would be, which I have yet to hear a conservative argument address. The alternative ideas tend to be as different from Obamacare as 6 is different from half-a-dozen.