Obamacare and Nursing.. what do you think? - page 5

I know that I am possibly opening up a can of ugly worms. I hope that in spite of differing opinions, that this thread can remain friendly and a simple exchange of ideas and opinions. As a... Read More

  1. Visit  SuzieVN profile page
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    Thanks for that, I never heard that before. Makes no sense, since there's no cost restraint mechanisms in Obamacare, so premiums are going to skyrocket.
  2. Visit  laborer profile page
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    ... verified source please...
  3. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from gigi727
    “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
    That quote, of course, preceeded the reality that a public option wouldn't be included in the bill.
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  4. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from laborer
    Blame the insurance lobby first...
    ^IF people feel the need to blame anyone...this would be appropriate...
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  5. Visit  SuzieVN profile page
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    Tax Credits in 2014 | HealthCare.gov


    Obamacare defined in simple language.
  6. Visit  forrester profile page
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    You know, there is a bigger issue which no one seems to be willing to talk about, and that is WHY healthcare costs so much. The political power of the AHA has kept this issue off the table.
    We are essentially given 2 options:
    1) Socialized healthcare
    2) Free market healthcare
    What has not been discussed is how we can restructure the system to drastically reduce cost.

    There are other options!
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  7. Visit  forrester profile page
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    “I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
    That quote, of course, preceeded the reality that a public option wouldn't be included in the bill.



    and that the republicans would block EVERY effort by this President
    Last edit by forrester on Mar 30, '13 : Reason: clarifying who the response was to
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  8. Visit  laborer profile page
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    ... Medicare For All, and the cost per yr will be cheaper !!!
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  9. Visit  ♪♫ in my ♥ profile page
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    Quote from Cold Stethoscope
    Everyone seems to think that they're millionaires, and will be affected by estate taxes.

    Americans are nothing if not wishful thinkers.

    Estate Tax and the Founding Fathers (Economist, Lexington's Notebook, 2010)
    I think the term "magical thinking" is more accurate.
  10. Visit  ♪♫ in my ♥ profile page
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    Quote from XmasShopperRN
    Such as? FTR, I wasn't referring to the occasional misuse of emergency services. I'm talking about situations where on a daily basis-if not multiple times per day-EMS picks up a "regular", drunk homeless person, and transports them to the nearest ED "to sleep it off". Once the booze wears off, the regular is demanding food, warm blankets, clean scrubs, bus tokens, and even medical treatment for their self-inflicted health problems. The ED has become their personal hotel. Emergency departments should be able to make abuse of their services less readily available. I'm not really sure how "more compassionate options" would help a population of people that obviously lacks the desire for self-improvement to adopt a lifestyle that embraces personal accountability.
    On the extreme end of the abuse:

    Pts who present for legitimate problems who then go AMA after a day or so, only to return a day or two after that for exacerbation of the very complaint for which they originally presented... which are often directly attributable to their lifestyle choices... most often related to substance abuse, specifically meth and booze.

    As far as I'm concerned, if you show up and then leave... you're exempted from EMTALA regulations for the next 60 days.

    Same if you're noncompliant after d/c... or if you refuse to follow the plan of care... How many diabetics and CHFers do we see who demand greasy, salty, and/or sugary foods... who refuse to be bound by I/O restrictions.

    If you pee hot for meth, begone with you until you come back clean.

    If you're drunk as a skunk, go sleep it off *before* you're permitted to see a doc.

    If you're not going to help yourself, stop expecting the rest of us to try to pick up the pieces.
    Last edit by ♪♫ in my ♥ on Mar 30, '13
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  11. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    in other words, it is okay if they die in the streets?
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  12. Visit  tewdles profile page
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    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    On the extreme end of the abuse:

    Pts who present for legitimate problems who then go AMA after a day or so, only to return a day or two after that for exacerbation of the very complaint for which they originally presented... which are often directly attributable to their lifestyle choices... most often related to substance abuse, specifically meth and booze.

    As far as I'm concerned, if you show up and then leave... you're exempted from EMTALA regulations for the next 60 days.

    Same if you're noncompliant after d/c... or if you refuse to follow the plan of care... How many diabetics and CHFers do we see who demand greasy, salty, and/or sugary foods... who refuse to be bound by I/O restrictions.

    If you pee hot for meth, begone with you until you come back clean.

    If you're drunk as a skunk, go sleep it off *before* you're permitted to see a doc.

    If you're not going to help yourself, stop expecting the rest of us to try to pick up the pieces.
    Is this the same type of sentiment that caused supporters to encourage Dr Paul to say that he would let these folks die rather than treat them...during a republican debate?
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  13. Visit  SC_RNDude profile page
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    Quote from laborer
    ... verified source please...
    Are you serious???

    Obama Promises To Lower Health Insurance Premiums by $2,500 Per Year - YouTube
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