Is Health Care a Right? - page 39

Just want to see your opinion (friendly discussion, no flaming, please). Is health care a right that should be enjoyed equally here in the U.S.? If so, how would this be financed without breaking... Read More

  1. by   Sally_ICURN
    Respectfully Susy, you just don't get it.

    btw, I was not a millionaire.
  2. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Sally_ICURN
    Respectfully Susy, you just don't get it.

    btw, I was not a millionaire.
    Sally, I didn't say you were a millionaire. I said if there was "a" millionaire.
    Which tells me you would agree with the above scenario, that he would not be entitled to recieving public assistance/health care while he looked for a job.

    And if I don't "get it," what is it? Tell me, why should someone in your position then be able to access that health care? Because you paid into it?
  3. by   Sally_ICURN
    It's not because I paid into it. That was not my entire point, that was just one tiny part of what I was saying. Taking things out of context is confusing and changes the whole discussion. So, I don't have a response to your last post except to say that a person should not be held back in their pursuit of happiness JUST because they don't carry health insurance AND IT IS possible to provide quality care to every person in this country WITHOUT it costing you a single dime more than it does now (and actually it would probably cost less).

    I'm wondering, do you hold stock in an insurance company?
  4. by   JMP
    Susy. With respect, you really just don't get it.
  5. by   Nurse Ratched
    Originally posted by Sally_ICURN
    I'm wondering, do you hold stock in an insurance company?
    Because it's not possible that her beliefs are as strongly rooted in principle as yours, right?
  6. by   KC CHICK
    Apparantly, Susy isn't the only one that "doesn't get it".
    I agree with many of her points.

    No, our system isn't perfect. It's VERY apparent when hard working folks who are temporarily down and out can't get the help they deserve. It's also grossly taken advantage of by others who are capable of working to support themselves, but for some reason...choose not to.
    The daughter of a friend of my mother's drives a Lincoln Navigator....and is on federal and state aid. BTW, she is not disabled in any way. How screwed up is that???
    I was also told, by my best friend today, that a L&D patient of hers drove off in a new SUV after having her delivery paid for .....by us. She too was on aid. This individual and spouse own their own business and don't claim all to the gov't. Sickening.

    The universal health care systems both in Canada and Great Britain aren't without their problems either. Personally, I haven't seen anyone address the articles that I posted awhile back regarding the holding of services or the long waits.

    I don't know what the answer is. All I know is I have worked hard to get where I am today. I'm tired of feeling like I'm being taken advantage of by others who simply choose to live off the system. I know not all have attitudes of this nature.....but I've witnessed enough to know that the attitude is widespread...an epidemic if you will.

    The question remains unanswered....WHEN IS ENOUGH, ENOUGH?
    If there is no motivation, no reward for hard work. Why am I working my patootie off now?
    Maybe I'm selfish, but I want the fruits of my labors to go to my family and loved ones.
    If I can't do that...then I might as well quit my job and dump my dreams right now.

    Anne
    Last edit by KC CHICK on Feb 19, '03
  7. by   fergus51
    Anne I tried to address the waits about 23 pages ago: according to several studies the waits are longer for certain tests (like MRIs) and certain procedures. However there was no negative health effect associated with the wait times and people needing emergency treatment or tests (cause it could be cancer or something serious) get bumped to the front.
  8. by   KC CHICK
    Apparantly you didn't read my articles.
    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092900.cfm

    I don't know about you, but I consider death to be a negative health effect.
    'In Britain, lack of access to modern technologies and medicines poses high risks for patients, especially in cases involving cancer and cardiovascular disease. Recently, the World Health Organization estimated that 25,000 Britons have died unnecessarily.'

    Mmmmm. Gonna argue with the World Health Organization?
    Last edit by KC CHICK on Feb 19, '03
  9. by   Q.
    So, I don't have a response to your last post except to say that a person should not be held back in their pursuit of happiness JUST because they don't carry health insurance
    And I agree! I don't feel that me or my family should be held back in their pursuit of happiness JUST because other members of society made choices which didn't include health insurance.

    Continually saying "I don't get it" doesn't help either. Your (and not just you Sally) not being able to articulate a point isn't my fault.
  10. by   melsay
    . prison and jail inmates, NO other population has the legal right to health care in the US right now.



    Now that just adds insult to injury!! I had forgotten about the inmates recieving healthcare FREE!!! (and a warm bed, and a computer, and hot food, things that MANY americans DO NOT have)
    I don't think there will ever be an answer to this health care problem.
    Do you know how many patients I see EVERYDAY that have Medicare or private insurance, thant can't afford a needed test ex. MRI, Mammo, CT, etc...And prescriptions
    But get a Medicaid card and hey you can get all the tests and meds you need for $1.00!!!!
    Pisses me off.
  11. by   Sally_ICURN
    Originally posted by Susy K

    Continually saying "I don't get it" doesn't help either. Your (and not just you Sally) not being able to articulate a point isn't my fault.
    LOL! Susy what is your solution then? What do we do? How do we fix this healthcare system that doesn't work? I want to hear it. Please, I truely want to consider what you have to say. Because all I'm hearing is that people should cover themselves. But how? How do we do it? It's unrealistic to think that you're not going to be part of the answer. What's your proposed solution?
  12. by   Q.
    I don't have any answers. I just know what I don't think will work.

    For starters, I think we need to take a hard look at Medicare/Medicaid and fix the problems there. Medicare is slow to reimburse, if at all; Medicaid has too much potential to be abused by some and allow others to fall in between the cracks. I think if we can fix these problems first, without throwing more money at it, then I might be convinced that a national health care program would work.

    I also think that removing employers as the "middle man" in health insurance negotiations might help things. As a consumer of health insurance, I really have no say on price, product or terms of service. My employer negotiates that and I think the power needs to go back to the consumer: us.

    Thirdly, our entire mind-set in this nation needs to change. We are fat, lazy, self-centered and too stuck on immediate gratifications. Even despite the economy woes, most of us live pretty damn good. But saving in our country really isn't a priority; people spend, spend, spend and the majority of Americans are in high credit card debt. That leads into our health care mentality. People don't want to utilize more effective, simple health care measures: they'd rather be seen in the ER and have an MRI "just in case." The technology is there, and we demand it, whether it's appropriate or not. Our mindset needs to change to healthy behaviors, responsibility for oneself and one's health, and accountability for things that risk that - like smoking, drinking, etc.

    I dunno. That's all I know. But that's why I feel like throwing more money at it won't help until the above problems are solved. THEN if more money is needed, only then would I feel alright in doing so.
  13. by   Sally_ICURN
    Thank you.

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