Healthcare is NOT a basic human right. - page 29

by Asystole RN

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If one were to read the Constitution one would realize that the Constitution does not grant anyone freedoms, liberties, or rights. The Constitution only protects freedoms, liberties, and rights from transgressions on part of the... Read More


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    Quote from Asystole RN
    To compare the immigration issue to southern supremacy and slavery is silly and insulting. You are attempting to skew the debate by throwing out terms that will slander anyone who attempts to debate you.

    Please use logic, not pejorative terms.
    Simple logic: These "ideas"/ laws were introduced, people left, nobody is doing the work, the people that supported the idea are now in trouble because they now have nobody to do the work...simple flow chart. The comparison to southern slavery is not "far out" the reason the "job creators" are in such trouble is that they realize that most human beings in their right mind (legal citizens) will not do slave labor...unless they absolutely are desperate..like so many in this country forced to a lower tier based on hate wrapped up in a pretty bow called immigration law.That is the system they have set up as they exploit these workers. I've dug ditches and picked crops for under the abhorrent minimum wage, I've worked with these people in these conditions...have any of you?
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    Right, and the whole argument that illegal immigrants do jobs that Americans wouldnt do. That is preposterous. Maybe they dont want to do them at the current salaries. But if you have no other options, you increase salary to minimum wage. And lets remember America is currently experiencing a recession with skyhigh unemployment rates. I think assuming that Americans wouldnt do the work is silly. First, we wont know until we try. Second, when you are desperate to feed your family and unemployed, you take what you can get (unless of course the government throws out a bunch of handouts so you dont have to work).
    Would you do the work??? That is the question. It is not an "assumption" look around. Also..Of course raising the minimum wage would be a good thing to do. How? The people at the top want to keep this country in a state of indentured servantry. I have heard enough nurses on this site constantly complaining about workloads and pay and being overworked etc..etc...try working for under the minimum wage day in and day out and still not being able to support yopur family and then come back with your argument. I love the handout argument: Have you ever used financial aide for school? If so=handout. Ever used any tax deduction? If so=handout. This list is endless and using the handout card is really "hilarious."
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    Malamud69 this question is for you. I'm detecting you favor open borders for cheap vegetables and human dignity but how far are you willing to go? Should we limit H1B visas? Because if not there are a whole lot of trained nurses from other parts of the world who would love to do your job for half of what you are willing to do it.
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    Quote from Chisca
    Malamud69 this question is for you. I'm detecting you favor open borders for cheap vegetables and human dignity but how far are you willing to go? Should we limit H1B visas? Because if not there are a whole lot of trained nurses from other parts of the world who would love to do your job for half of what you are willing to do it.
    Dare I say..."missed the point???" Of course there are "a whole lot of trained nurses from other parts of the world who would love to do..." What is your point? And your statement about "open borders for cheap vegetables" really shows your misunderstanding...again we need more post conventional thought not pre...How about this to chew on...Most of the residents at the teaching hospital I work at are not US citizens...well over 90%...what do you get from that? I am curious how you may drum up a completely erroneous reply...
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    Quote from wooh
    And guess how much you're going to be paying for chicken. And vegetables. Sure, we can employee "Americans" to pick our fields, but since they work at about a 1/3 to 1/2 as fast as the guys that were doing it, We'll be paying that much more for our vegetables. Imagine how much beef is going to cost now that there are people reporting their accidents in the slaughterhouses to OSHA instead of quietly taking their now single-armed spanish speaking body home. Got to pay for a new arm if you can't threaten them with INS so they'll keep quiet and disappear.


    It really is preposterous, and I have a solution. A Canadian could go back to where they came from and open up that nursing job for one of our many out of work nurses here. I'm sure they'd rather work instead of getting a bunch of government handouts. But as long as we allow foreign nurses into this country, we're stuck putting unemployed nurses on welfare and food stamps, and WIC and all sorts of government handouts. There's a border that I can get behind shutting down. Canadians aren't offering low cost labor like people from the southern border offer. So Canadians are ONLY taking away jobs that Americans do want to fill. Like the many nursing graduates and experienced nurses looking for work.
    If only we could find one Canadian that took a nursing job in the U.S.A. That's one nursing job that could then be opened up to a true born in the good ol' U.S.ofA. Where to look? WHERE TO LOOK????
    Well someone clearly has something against Canada. Not too sure why. But either way, I am here legally, on a work Visa. If USCIS saw fit to give it to me, and my American employers could not find an American nurse to hire at the same salary with the same qualifications I have, that is not my problem. Had I not had these papers and the job offer, I would have stayed in Canada, or went somewhere else where they would hire me. Sounds like someone needs to see a specialist to deal with this irrational anger against your neighbors to the North though.
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    Wow, ok, this thread has officially been derailed by a few "Occupy" movement supporters. Guess its time to move on to a more informational topic...
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    What is a human right?
    Human rights are commonly understood as "Inalienable fundamental rights to which a person is inherently entitled simply because he or she is a human being". I looked it up on wikipedia when that question was posed by an earlier poster.

    I don't think health care measures up to that standard.
    Last edit by imintrouble on Oct 2, '12
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    Quote from Jeweles26
    Well someone clearly has something against Canada. Not too sure why. But either way, I am here legally, on a work Visa. If USCIS saw fit to give it to me, and my American employers could not find an American nurse to hire at the same salary with the same qualifications I have, that is not my problem. Had I not had these papers and the job offer, I would have stayed in Canada, or went somewhere else where they would hire me.

    Sounds like someone needs to see a specialist to deal with this irrational anger against your neighbors to the North though.
    I really hate it when someone suggests that responses are unbalanced/irrational/crazy, and psychiatric help is in order. In the interest of fair play I consider such statements as "low blows".

    I'm off my soap box for the day.
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    Quote from imintrouble
    I really hate it when someone suggests that responses are unbalanced/irrational/crazy, and psychiatric help is in order. In the interest of fair play I consider such statements as "low blows".

    I'm off my soap box for the day.
    Well other than irrational, do you have any other reason to offer for the response I got? It seemed pretty angry to me, and since I in no way attacked her, she had no reason to react that way at me. And I didn't say she needed to see a psychiatrist. I said she needed to see a specialist. There are tons of different kinds of specialists.
    Maybe I considered it a low blow to be told to leave the country when I went about coming here the legal way.
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    The discussion is healthcare, not immigration, anyway. Besides, nursing is portable and that's a great thing. People can work where they choose. For the record, there are many Americans working in Canada, so it goes both ways.
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