Check Up: Obamacare vs. Romneycare: Any real difference?

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Philadelphia Inquirer

viewed 9/1/12

by Robert I. Field, Ph.D., J.D., M.P.H.

Check Up: Obamacare vs. Romneycare: Any real difference?

...Mitt Romney says his Massachusetts health reform plan is much better than Obama's. He claims it's different in important ways.

If there are big differences, it's difficult to find them....

Let's do some quick fact checking.

Does Romneycare have everyone insured? Close, but not fully there. The plan cut the state's rate of uninsurance by almost half. As of 2010, the rate was just over 6% for the nonelderly population, the lowest of any state. That's a huge accomplishment, but there is still a ways to go before everyone has coverage.

Did Romneycare raise taxes? No, but the state didn't need to. It covered the cost of reform with larger payments that it negotiated from the federal government for its Medicaid program.

Does Romneycare have an unelected board that tells people what kinds of health care they can have? It does. The Massachusetts Connector Authority serves as the state's insurance exchange. It sets standards for the types of plans that may be sold, thereby determining the kind of access residents will have to health care services.

Is Obamacare any different? Not really.

It will extend coverage to 30 million more people, which will reduce the country's rate of uninsurance by about half to roughly 8 percent. Not too different from Romneycare.

Specializes in Med Surg, PCU, Travel.
Ha. Agreed, but I think we're stuck with it. Obama's own campaign staff occasionally refer to it as "Obamacare". I just had to google the word moniker; it will be a nice addition to my limited vocabulary.

Well Obama's camp did not come up with the name it was the GOP now Obama flipped the negative tone of it by saying "yes Obama does care"...politicians are so funny...lol. He even got printed shirts that say "I love Obamacare".

Romney is a business man, and if he wins, like all business men if he can't make money doing it, he won't do crap healthcare. What does all CEO's do but make themselves richer? America won't see a cent from the GOP.

Romney wants to end Medicare/medicaid as we know it, and change it to flat rate/voucher program, as well as cut benefits. Hm. How many of our paychecks are dependent, at least in part, on medicare/medicaid? Most. So, less health care for all, and less payment (with the same amount of work) for medical facilities. No Bueno.

Obamacare also cuts payments to hospitals.

Well Obama's camp did not come up with the name it was the GOP now Obama flipped the negative tone of it by saying "yes Obama does care"...politicians are so funny...lol. He even got printed shirts that say "I love Obamacare".

Romney is a business man, and if he wins, like all business men if he can't make money doing it, he won't do crap healthcare. What does all CEO's do but make themselves richer? America won't see a cent from the GOP.

He certainly doesn't stand to make nearly as much money being president as he could by doing other things. If fact, he is likely spending more running for president then he will ever earn if he is elected. BTW, he gave away to charity his $280K a year salary for three years as CEO of the SLC Olympic Committee.

Your statement that he will not do anything if he will not get a financial benefit is dumb.

Specializes in Med Surg, PCU, Travel.

Ok we going off topic here RNDude but if you ask any tax person, the main reason why ANY and every millionare gives to a charity is to get big write offs, and it actually saves them money in taxes by giving...Romney is no exception! why do you think they blocked tax reform? loopholes...loopholes...If you are implying he was a bum for 3 years living off nothing and on the streets that's just bull. Whatever tax loopholes he found with the interests off his investments was probably more than his 280+ annual salary...plus he probably had multiple income streams from other avenues. What I'd like to know is why hasn't Romney produced 3 years of income to the public, like every other Presidential candidate does? What does he have to hide if he' s so giving?:rotfl:

He certainly doesn't stand to make nearly as much money being president as he could by doing other things. If fact, he is likely spending more running for president then he will ever earn if he is elected. BTW, he gave away to charity his $280K a year salary for three years as CEO of the SLC Olympic Committee.

Your statement that he will not do anything if he will not get a financial benefit is dumb.

Ummmm...there are a lot more perks than $$$ only. There is untold amounts of free stuff. You don't need money anyway when you have taxpayor dollars. vacations, nice clothes, private jets...I could deal with that- no prob

Ok we going off topic here RNDude but if you ask any tax person, the main reason why ANY and every millionare gives to a charity is to get big write offs, and it actually saves them money in taxes by giving...Romney is no exception! why do you think they blocked tax reform? loopholes...loopholes...If you are implying he was a bum for 3 years living off nothing and on the streets that's just bull. Whatever tax loopholes he found with the interests off his investments was probably more than his 280+ annual salary...plus he probably had multiple income streams from other avenues. What I'd like to know is why hasn't Romney produced 3 years of income to the public, like every other Presidential candidate does? What does he have to hide if he' s so giving?:rotfl:

When did I say he was living on nothing and on the streets? I simply said he worked for free for three years. This was in response to your statement that a businessman (you didn't even go to millionaire, you said businessman) won't do anything if he can't make money at it. How is he making money by working for free?

Yes, he has many streams of income, but he would have had these same streams if he had done something else with his time. And likley had other opportunities he could have taken to make even more money.

Making more income and donating it to charity does not save you more money then if you hadn't made the income in the first place.

Why does he have to produce more tax returns? One side wants to see them so they can find something they think they can twist into a controversary.

Why do we care what Romney does with his money? Shouldn't we worry more about what our government is doing with ours?

You say I could ask "any" tax person and they would tell me "every millionaire" gives to charity for the sole purpose of saving on taxes. Really? Do you give to charity, ever? I'm guessing you do, even if it is small amounts. So, what your are saying is that if you, man-nurse, became a millionaire, your reasons for giving would suddenly change. It would be only to save money.

Ummmm...there are a lot more perks than $$$ only. There is untold amounts of free stuff. You don't need money anyway when you have taxpayor dollars. vacations, nice clothes, private jets...I could deal with that- no prob

My post was in response to someone stating that Romney won't do anything unless he can make money at it. When you tally up what he is spending of his own money for his campaign, and the income he will not be making while being in office, being President will be a money-losing proposition for him. Even if you throw in the "untold amounts of free stuff". ROFL!

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Ummmm...there are a lot more perks than $$$ only. There is untold amounts of free stuff. You don't need money anyway when you have taxpayor dollars. vacations, nice clothes, private jets...I could deal with that- no prob

Well, if you really want to talk about using taxpayer dollars, lets look at how many free vacations and extra perks Obama has used...

Plus, I find completely ignorant the idea that businessmen only give to charity for tax-reduction purposes. So, wanting to make money makes one uncaring about the suffering of others? Being rich automatically means you only care about whatever benefits YOU have to gain in anything to do? Please. Some people are just wiser when it comes to bringing in income. Does not make them greedy or uncaring in any way. In fact, I can not donate as much as I want now because I have very little extra money after all is paid for. If I had more, I could donate more. I wouldn't do so because of tax benefits, I would do it to support causes I care about.

This way of thinking so many democrats seem to have that Republicans are all money hungry, white, rich, and racist... Its just so ignorant, makes me laugh and want to cry at the absurdity of it all at the same time.

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...vote OBAMA 2012

...vote OBAMA 2012

laborer, this is the most intelligent post I've seen on allnurses.com. :)

Specializes in Med Surg, PCU, Travel.
When did I say he was living on nothing and on the streets? I simply said he worked for free for three years. This was in response to your statement that a businessman (you didn't even go to millionaire, you said businessman) won't do anything if he can't make money at it. How is he making money by working for free?

Yes, he has many streams of income, but he would have had these same streams if he had done something else with his time. And likley had other opportunities he could have taken to make even more money.

Making more income and donating it to charity does not save you more money then if you hadn't made the income in the first place.

Why does he have to produce more tax returns? One side wants to see them so they can find something they think they can twist into a controversary.

Why do we care what Romney does with his money? Shouldn't we worry more about what our government is doing with ours?

You say I could ask "any" tax person and they would tell me "every millionaire" gives to charity for the sole purpose of saving on taxes. Really? Do you give to charity, ever? I'm guessing you do, even if it is small amounts. So, what your are saying is that if you, man-nurse, became a millionaire, your reasons for giving would suddenly change. It would be only to save money.

Yes I do give to charity, in fact it comes right out my paycheck, been doing so for years to United Way,hey its only $2 per month but even with my small salary...and bills piling up, everyone needs to give no matter how little. If a million people gave 2 dollar per month to United Way in one year we would have given total 24million dollars, it all adds up.

As for government, I think they have done good with our money. The bail out to banks earned interest, GM is still in business and the stimulus save us from crashing like Greece but people dont see it that way.

Some unemployment figures there reached like 18% in Greece but here they complaining about 8 % oh please, here the facts. The rate went from 4.0% to 7.7% under President Bush, 3.7% over his administration and NOONE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. Under Obama unemployment spiked at 10% yep it was 10% and over the last 4 years it went down to 8% so his plan works and is working, yet it did not go down under Bush.

The national debt went from 100billion dollar surplus to 10.6trillion dollars when Bush left office, yet theyBlaming Obama for the WHOLE 15.6 trillion its at now, hey 10.6 trllion of that debt was from Bush, AND NOONE DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. Obama debt is bearly 5 trillion dollars, yes but that saved the economy.Read the facts forget the politics. This is all publically available information.

In the last 2 years Obama would have gotten lots more done if he was not constantly blocked by the other side. Yes I am all for Obama...sorry but I am the 1%! lol I wished we had the public option for healthcare passed, the competition would have forced insurance companies to slash their rates, because now they would be competing with the government for our business. Anyways, Romney did the same thing in Massachusetts forcing everyone to be required to have health coverage, but now he critisizes Obamacare,a plan based on what Romney started, that is just plain stupid,why can't he just be a man and admit Obamacare is a good plan? His politics of the whole thing is silly and childlike oh "when I take office I will repeal Obamacare" I want to see how he is going to defend himself on that in the debate. Its time for politicians to stop the childish games and start doing what is right for the people.

I don't know why Romney has not yet released his taxes. I do not, however believe we should judge Romney or anyone else for their actions. Honestly, I don't think anyone should be forced to release their taxes because it is thier personal buisness and not really ours. Just MHO...

Ok we going off topic here RNDude but if you ask any tax person, the main reason why ANY and every millionare gives to a charity is to get big write offs, and it actually saves them money in taxes by giving...Romney is no exception! why do you think they blocked tax reform? loopholes...loopholes...If you are implying he was a bum for 3 years living off nothing and on the streets that's just bull. Whatever tax loopholes he found with the interests off his investments was probably more than his 280+ annual salary...plus he probably had multiple income streams from other avenues. What I'd like to know is why hasn't Romney produced 3 years of income to the public, like every other Presidential candidate does? What does he have to hide if he' s so giving?:rotfl:
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