"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

Specializes in med/surg and adult critical care.

I agree with your comment about being mean being consistent. I work with two nurses in my new position that are just mean. They say they know they are that way and they think it is okay. So, since management does not seem to want to deal with them...the unit has a high turnover. I will be one of those turnovers. The job of nursing is stressful enough...who needs mean nurses. These two thing that they are totally approachable (to other new nurses or new to the unit nurses) when nurses have questions to ask...they aren't....my way of solving the problem is to answer my own questions...I look up policy and procedure...and I find the protocols I need concerning patient care...I just by pass these two witches...but when the you know what hits the fan concerning patient care not being done properly because new nurses just don' t know any better...these two(charge) nurses run and hide....all of this behavior is childish and ridiculous....I am choosing to go work with adults instead of these two children that have the illusion that they are in charge(for the record been a charge nurse for years, so I know what the job entails).

Specializes in med/surg and adult critical care.

I'm one of those older nurses you refer to in your post. I don't really care about your BSN, your ADN....when you hit the door as a new nurse...young or old...I want some respect. Your post, in my opinion seems to lack respect in addressing us "older nurses." For the record, most of us "older nurses" are up to date on our clinical skills and nursing knowlege...I don't appreciate your insinuation that we are not...I (and I am sure I speak for others) don't need to be "reeducated" by anyone with your mindset. When a nurse like you gets yourself in a tight...who do you come running to...it's us "older nurses." Just remember that...and show a little respect. The only thing I agree with in your post is that women who are nurses should be civil or nice to each other. I think that there is some atrocious behavior going on in the nursing profession due to the majority of nurses being women. A late note...Nurses always have to take anatomy and physiology...how do you think we learn how to care for patients....geezzzzzzz.

People have bad days. It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

You are so right. As a DON I had hired a nurse that presented well with many certificates giving the assumption that she was a self-starter with much experience and could jump right in. As it turns out, she was the neediest nurse that I had ever had! More so even than the new grads. What trully brought this to full light was on the day (at 7pm mind you) I received a phone call about my mom being transfered downstate to another hospital as her condition had changed for the worse. I tried to speak to her on the phone but she was so sedated and had such a negative reaction to the morphine that they pumped into her that she could not reason. When I spoke to the nursing supervisor to explain this (she had already cussed out her sister, my sister, and her best friend and they all said that she 'wasn't right') the nursing supervisor blew me off and as she was at a hospital over an hour away she was going to be gone before I got there. To add to my frustration, something was wrong with the facility phone lines so all of my calls had to be placed through the phone operator. I was scared for her, frustrated and angry with the hospital for ignoring the fact that she was not competent to agree to this type of transfer or any medical procedure and with myself for not being there.

Fighting back tears of frustration, I walked out of my office to get some fresh air and think about my next options when this nurse asked some silly question about something that I had been repeatedly trying to teach her and I said not now and kept on walking. She yelled back at me something like "Well, I see how it is. The big nurse manager doesn't have time for us little nurses!".

When I took care of mom's situation and returned to work the next week I saw this nurse who gave me a look of hurt feelings. Even though I know that she was overly needy, I stopped and apologyzed for not speaking to her the last time we worked together and explained that I had just gotten some bad news that needed my attention. She still hangs onto the ONE time I was unable to stop and hold her hand!

Specializes in OB/GYN.

Show a little respect, you say, Ittibittinurse? Have a little patience, do what you know how to do, do it well and you'll get the respect you earn. No need to be so defensive and disdainful. It sounds mean.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i'm one of those older nurses you refer to in your post. i don't really care about your bsn, your adn....when you hit the door as a new nurse...young or old...i want some respect. your post, in my opinion seems to lack respect in addressing us "older nurses." for the record, most of us "older nurses" are up to date on our clinical skills and nursing knowlege...i don't appreciate your insinuation that we are not...i (and i am sure i speak for others) don't need to be "reeducated" by anyone with your mindset. when a nurse like you gets yourself in a tight...who do you come running to...it's us "older nurses." just remember that...and show a little respect. the only thing i agree with in your post is that women who are nurses should be civil or nice to each other. i think that there is some atrocious behavior going on in the nursing profession due to the majority of nurses being women. a late note...nurses always have to take anatomy and physiology...how do you think we learn how to care for patients....geezzzzzzz.

which post are you referring to?

Specializes in OB/GYN.

I was referring to the post that said, "I don't care about your BSN or ADN...."

Hmmm...just wondering if the post was titled "Nurses Are So Mean" because the op knew that title would get a lot of attention because, well, SOME nurses ARE mean.

And that the term "lateral violence" exists because, yes, lateral violence does exist.

Just as some people are bullies as children, some adults are bullies too. It's just that the bullying doesn't involve the playground anymore. Most schools have an anti-bullying week, when kids are educated on preventing bullying.

To those of you who work in hospital administration, please please can we institute something like this at hospitals?

Thanks

Specializes in Medical/Surgical.

Amen!

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Specializes in Telemetry.

I'm a float nurse so I'm almost always the new nurse. I believe that as a newcomer I need to try harder to get the approval of the people I work with. I'm treated fairly most of the time. Every once in a blue moon there is that one person who has a chip on their shoulder or perhaps just doesn't like me very much. That person I try to assault them with kindness. I try to make them feel comfortable. I offer to help them when I can. Eventually their walls crumble when they get to know me. This is something I've had to practice over and over again because I have a young pretty face. Never judge a book by it's cover. And never judge the people you work with because one day that person may be your boss.

Specializes in Tele, MedSurg.

Ive had about 50/50 with Nurse preceptors. And yes some are seasoned and forget what its like to be new or going into new specialty. Some are still new themselves just trying to get thru the day also. But i do know people need to stop and think what they are saying. Our jobs are on the line every minute of the day while working and as soon as nurses forget that they are somehow loosing there passion to be a great nurse. Not all nurses are cut out to be preceptors. Also i wouldnt want to put my patient in jeopardy because i cant perform my job because ive been up all night with a sick child or whatever. We are human not robots. So thank God for sick and vacation time. Nurse mgrs are usually not the ones out on the floor taking care of patients. And can be quick to judge someones life or what they are going thru at home. We are told there is employee assistance and certain benefits but that fails nurses also. because there are certain requirements. A great nurse can also have issues to deal with and as soon as that happens they get well thats too bad or sorry but there are rules. that is very unfortunate since we are the ones who keep these facilities running. Where is the help and understanding for us. We are supposed to leave our problems at the door so it doesnt effect others. If you cant then dont come in to work. but atleast give those nurses the help they need. Some nurses do need to rethink if they hsould continue on as a nurse because it isnt for everyone.

Wow there sure must be a lot of nurses out there who are just "having a bad day." Do most nurses get cheated on, lose their dogs, have a car accident, and have leaky pipes around the same time? Because as a student, I've had bad interactions with nurses even in the first 2 minutes of meeting. I literally walk up to them, smile, introduce myself...and before they have even had a chance to know me or see what I know or how I learn, I've had people give me attitude and talk about how crappy it is to have a student as though I'm not standing right in front of their faces. Sorry, but let's just call it what it is - SOME nurses are simply *******.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
wow there sure must be a lot of nurses out there who are just "having a bad day." do most nurses get cheated on, lose their dogs, have a car accident, and have leaky pipes around the same time? because as a student, i've had bad interactions with nurses even in the first 2 minutes of meeting. i literally walk up to them, smile, introduce myself...and before they have even had a chance to know me or see what i know or how i learn, i've had people give me attitude and talk about how crappy it is to have a student as though i'm not standing right in front of their faces. sorry, but let's just call it what it is - some nurses are simply *******.

some people are just mean, nasty unpleasant sorts; nurses don't have an exclusive on that. but no one expects the sanitation worker to pick up your garbage and smile, chat, and listen to your dumb jokes while doing it, and if you're paying a lawyer by the hour you're probably not going to waste his time and your money by telling the dumb jokes in the first place. people seem to have higher expectations for nurses -- and that isn't always realistic.