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- Mar 26, '09 by SherwoodCongratulations to the Nurses at Centerpoint for taking a stand! We will stand by you all the way. If we can be of any help let us know.
- Apr 2, '09 by Nancy2Just heard Cenerpoint Nurses have dates for their Decertification Election!!! April 23 and 24. BEST WISHES TO YOU ALL. I WISH YOU EVERY SUCCESS IN TAKING YOUR HOSPITAL AND YOUR VOICE BACK!!!!!
- Apr 3, '09 by expo4uUnions are often very good. However, there are those unions that seem to do nothing but take the dues.
- Apr 9, '09 by dlatimerWho voted in the union to begin with? Were promises not honored?Last edit by dlatimer on Apr 9, '09 : Reason: duplicate
- Apr 9, '09 by dlatimerMy only question is: If there is not a collective bargaining unit with power to make the changes in employment environment, who will look out for the nurses interest? Centerpoint Administration? HCA? HCA is a for-profit corporation whose stated goal is to make profit for shareholders. How does that work with patient care? How would you or your loved ones like to have your health care delivered by them?
- Apr 11, '09 by RockyCreek[Excuse me while I apply my flame proof suit]
Why do nurses need a union? Why not just speak for ourselves? Do the doctors have a union -- no, they speak for themselves! No Lawyers need unions? If you think about it, no other PROFESSIONAL in healthcare, has one.
In my experience with unions, they collect a lot of money that THEY get to spend without input from the members, usually devote too much energy to political issues and not enough to nursing issues and make it virtually impossible for a good nurse to be recognized or a bad nurse to be fired.
I have been an RN for 23 years and I have never seen a union come in and improve any situation. I have, however, seen some nurses employing shared governance making HUGE improvements. If you are interested in how nurses can be a positive force for nursing, check out the websites for Tim Porter-O'Grady. I have not affiliation with Mr. Porter-O'Grady but his program is making a big splash at my hospital!
- Apr 11, '09 by OleBaldNursei can tell you exactly what happened at centerpoint. nurses got educated. once we stopped listening only to the union and got our own info, the union propostion was no bargain at all.
centerpoint is a new hospital. hca built it and closed two other, older hospitals. nurses came from the two older hospitals and had a little trouble with turf stuff in the beginning. i came from a different hospital. the new hospital is much larger, busier and more sophisticated than either of the ones it replaced. nobody knew how busy we would be when we opened. maybe they should have but centerpoint is in a growing area and close to a busy highway, so i think a lot of people were surprised when the doors opened and the ed and women’s areas were swamped. on top of the activity increases, there was a poor management team. they just didn't get it. we were understaffed and overworked. part of that was volume and the other was stupidity. we now know that a lot of our troubles were a result of poor planning and poor execution- neither of which could have been better handled with a union, especially this union.
the union knew they were going to try to organize centerpoint before it opened and before there were any issues. some nurses thought that the union could make the hospital fix staffing problems, salaries, and fix other problems and the union won the first election. a lot of us had experience with this union and knew they hadn't done much at the other hca hospitals. but something had to change. there were a lot of nurses who didn't really understand what the union could and couldn't do. some voted for the union but a lot just didn't care and didn't vote. bottom line is that this is not a very smart union and they don't understand what nurses want or what nurses need.
after a lot of negotiations, we still didn't have raises that we knew we would have gotten with or without the union. the people the union chose to negotiate didn't understand nursing issues and the nurses from our hospital that were chosen to go to the table were more interested in things that didn't matter to the majority of us. at the same time, the hospital changed the administration and brought in a kick-ass ceo. she has made things a whole lot better by listening to us and by doing what she says she will do. by comparison the union sold us out for forced dues. we know that at menorah in kansas where forced dues are illegal, about 25% of nurses voluntarily pay dues to this same union. if it's no bargain there, then why should we pay for it?
a lot of us went along with the union in the beginning. it was like, "what do we have to lose?" but now we have seen what they can and can't do and what the hospital will and won't do. and you can't respect anyone- union or otherwise, who repeatedly and pubically attacks your quality of care. nurses and doctors and centerpoint are sick and tired of the union building walls between the community and the hospital. it is unforgivable and unforgetable.
one thing that made a difference was learning the truth about what the law says about unions and employees. we have had inservices over the last 3 weeks. they are using a labor board book. the union is complaining about the inservices which means that they must be afraid of what we are learning. some of the information is one sided and i am not stupid enough to think that everything i heard was "neutral" but when i took the book home and read it on my own, it was clear to me that we are better off without a union and speaking for ourselves and shared governance is the way that it should be done at centerpoint.
- Apr 16, '09 by Nancy2You mean to say that THE TEACHER'S UNION is AFRAID or OPPOSED to Education for nurses???banghead:
- Apr 25, '09 by raconteThis just in from the JLUV website:
Today, Centerpoint Medical Center made history as being the first ever HCA hospital to decertify a union. We made even bigger history by doing it in a landslide.
Today, Centerpoint Medical Center made history. History.
We took back our voices.
We took back our power.
We took back our hospital.
Our future is brighter than ever.>
Sounds like these nurses let their voices heard!Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Apr 25, '09