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- by ssaun1508 Aug 23, '02I'm doing my thesis on prone positioning ARDS pts and would appreciate some feedback
Does your unit routinely prone pts??
Do you have a written procedure on how to prone pts?
I have proned some pts with favorable results and would like to get a general idea how other nurses see proning patients
Thanks for any discussion
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- Aug 23, '02 by christianRNYes, I have seen some articles, particularly in RN magazine about prone positioning. We don't really do this at our ICU. From the studies, it looks like it is very beneficial.
- Aug 29, '02 by suetjeIn our unit at the University of Michigan, we have a proning protocol. We routinly prone patients who have ARDS, and usually they are on an Fio2 of over 50%. The protocol states no more than 6 hours prone, but often that is quite long. One of the key reasons we chose 6 hours on and 6 off, was that we often prone ECMO patients and the risk of decannulation by flipping the pt. often is greater, obviously each time they are turned. We observe pt. tolerance and let that guide us more than anything. GREAT results, though!!!
- Sep 15, '02 by tacoin our unit in a university hospital in holland we have also proning protocol. after turning on the prone we turned the patient for the first time on the back after 24 hours. the results are different.
- Nov 11, '02 by TraumaNurseI worked in one trauma center that used stryker beds and would prone ARDS patients 2-3 hours down and then 2-3 hours supine. They were very agressive about proning and actually had been actively involved in a couple of the proning studies. The other trauma center I worked in proned on occassion, usually 4-6 hours down and then supine for 6 hours.
When the patients really need it, proning is excellent at recruiting those extra aveoli....I'm a believer!
- Nov 11, '02 by baselineI'll PM you later tonite with some info I think I have at work......If you think its helpful I can fax it to you.
- Dec 21, '02 by megmermaidI don't see this often in our unit...it has a stigma. We probably wait too long because it seems like that is when they code. We don't have that many ARDS patients, though, they seem to end up more in MICU.
Good luck with your thesis.
- Dec 22, '02 by GardengalWe prone ARDS patients in our unit, but only with an MD order and i think it's usually too late to be very beneficial, although we have had several occasions when it was. We have a written procedure and a how to video.Many of the nurses are resistant to proning, although they admit it can be beneficial. there is always the potential for extubation, line dislodgement, etc. Our procedure states 4-6 hours for proning then to make supine again. We have had patients though who end up prone much longer because they desaturate so badly and oxygenation is so much worse when supine. We do reposition them a bit every couple of hours though to relieve presure areas.
- Dec 23, '02 by suetjeWhen proning, you really have to start EARLY. It's like anything else...wait to long to treat and it will not work as well. We do a p/F ration to determine if they are a candidate (PO2 to / FiO2 ratio). You do the math, look at toehr things like what are thier vent settings now, what is their problem (open abdomen for example) and lines. If you are careful, you can do it. We do it a lot even with our ECMO pts. and their lines are VERY large.
- Jan 4, '03 by ferselleIn our unit, we usually prone our patient with severe ARDS and with continuous prostacyclin nebulizations. FIO2 of more than 70%. We alternately prone patient every 12 hours and some patients benefitted, some are not. Our unit have no written protocol in proning patients.