Discrimination of Men as nurses? - page 2
I have seen a post or two or more that talk about Men being treated differently than women in Nursing. I am just wondering. Does this really happen that often? Is this really a problem? I... Read More
Dec 13, '12Maybe I'm living in a bubble, but I have never been asked about my sexuality, never faced negative treatment, and have always loved my professional female colleagues . I have seen them put up with male's crap though-that's a different thread though.
Dec 14, '12During the Crusades, nurses were men who rode around on horseback, treating the ill and injured.
Not sure if they were gay, though, and it probably did not matter then as it does not matter now (except to those who thrive on division of people into groups of their choice).
Dec 14, '12I started my career as an LPN doing home care nursing in pediatrics. A father of an 8 year old girl asked if I was gay and when I said no asked me to not come back. He though I was a pedophile because that is the only reason I wanted to work with kids.
I think you see this in certain specialties. It's unfortunate, but as an RN I still see it.
Dec 14, '12I think there's still some prejudice against male nurses. (I'm a female.) The nursing home I worked at hired a male nurse just out of nursing school. He was the nicest guy you ever met, hard-working, always cheerful. And our manager treated him like absolute garbage, practically followed him around looking for stuff to write up. Hey - new nurse - straight out of school - that's not the way to treat people. (And - no - she didn't treat brand-new female nurses the same way.)
At the same time, a significant percentage of our elderly residents (or their family) don't want a male nurse treating them.
One of his first shifts (night), he was walking down the hall when he heard one of his patients calling for help. He goes in and finds the elderly lady, stark-naked, crumpled on the bathroom floor. He immediately called for one of the CNAs to come get me. I was just at the end of the hall so I was there within 30 seconds. He was kneeling next to her, asking if she had any pain, etc. etc. - normal questions. As it turns out, no injury, everything was fine.
Next day, the resident's family complained that he had seen their mother naked. The manager formally wrote him up and told him he should have put a towel over her before doing anything else.
Dec 15, '12Very interesting thread. First thing that comes up in my mind is Gaylord Focker from Meet the Parents haha. A lot of the nurses I work with especially in the ICU are 1) all straight and 2) have a gf, fiance, or are married and they are AWESOME nurses. I've seen some of the female nurses which comprises of like 99% of the DOU and man, some of them are sloppy I guess? I know that DOU and ICU have different levels of care but it's easy to spot out when one is sloppy/doesn't care and one that does care.
Dec 16, '12Most of the discrimination I have witnessed against male nurses came from patients. Especially older females who are fearful of a man seeing them naked. I have had families a couple of times refuse to allow a male RN help turn and clean morbidly obese female patients. One even stood outside the door saying loudly "don't you worry mama we won't let no man clean your bottom." It becomes difficult at times especially when we only have 4 nurses on the whole floor to keep from saying too bad he is helping, but we try to honor those requests. Some patient's have also expressed to me how surprised they were that their male nurse was so kind. Again most of these patient's are older people who grew up with very rigidly defined gender roles. Many of them call the male RN's and techs doctor, no matter how many times they correct them.
As far as discrimination from fellow nurses I have not really seen that myself. I have seen male nurses treated badly by other female nurses but these were nurses that treated everyone like crap, so I do not think it was gender related. I will say that when faced with a violent patient I will grab my male coworkers. I don't know if it is just the fact that they are male or their voices are just more authortative than mine but they are almost always able to get the patient under control. They are often asked to help move large patients by the other RN's as well.
Dec 17, '12I find it's one or the other with elderly women. Some just don't care and they are happy to have someone care for them or...they don't want men near them. For the latter, my explanation is that women in their 80's and 90's grew up in a different time. They were raised to be wives in the home and the nurturers of the family. Men didn't change diapers or do laundry. They went to all-girl schools and universities. Their mothers were considered hussies if they showed ankles under the dress. Some of them were taught that rock-and-roll was satan's music, which would cause pregnancy and sex-crazed delirium. Not all of them experienced the 60's with women's right and personal freedom. They grew up in a time where water fountains were segregated, which is insane. (I can't believe how racist some elderly people still are today. It's all they knew....sad.)
There is no way some elderly women are going to allow a man to care for them when the only nurses they knew as children were nuns.
There is no way some elderly women are going to allow a man to care for them when they slept in a room with two beds... with their husbands. There is no way some elderly women are going to allow a man to care for them when men weren't even allowed in the delivery room. And they aren't going to change. But it's ok. Everyone has the right to their own morals and beliefs.
However, there is another pt who is cool, laid back, and grateful to have a man care for them. They don't even think twice about. They were the ones who went out into the workforce, who picked up the roles of absent fathers, who grew up listening to the Beatles and the Doors, who embraced the right of personal expression and discovery, and who say "Honey, you do what you gotta do. I stink and I need a bath. And, oh, if I was 50 years younger, You'd come home with me ." Coolest patients ever...
Old men are not the only perverts.
Dec 23, '12Quote from bonestAxI've been a nurse for 9 months and have never had an issue. I never had any problems during nursing school either. I worked for about 2 1/2 years, before nursing school, as a CNA, and no problems there either. As a CNA there was the occasional elderly female that did not want me helping them change clothes or shower, but that was rare. I not experienced this as a nurse. I have never had any problems from peers, supervisors, or employers. I don't feel that I am treated any differently. The only thing that I might say is, the nights that are stacked heavy with make nurses are quieter (around the nurses station) that those nights that are heavy with female nurses. But, I don't mind either way, and neither do the ladies I work with. We all get along well and truly work together as a team.I have seen a post or two or more that talk about Men being treated differently than women in Nursing.
I am just wondering. Does this really happen that often? Is this really a problem?
I have bee in and around nursing for about 3 years now and I have not once experienced this to myself or anyone else.
My question is. Are you being discriminated against because you are a man or because of the old stereotype of Gay men being nurses? Which one is causing the discrimination.
Dec 23, '12I work in the ER, and I must say the staff consists of both male and female nurses. I have never seen any of my male co-workers discriminated against or had any of them say anything about it. I do notice that the male nurses get along with the male doctors much easier than the females. I have noticed that the male nurses I work with, tend to be more protective of us females if we get a drunken male as a patient ( one never knows what a drunk will do ) I love the fact that my male co-workers instinctually want to protect us females, I have actually seen other female nurses become upset when a male co-worker tries to look out for her. I don't understand why on that one. It's always better to be safe than sorry, I say! See guys your not only needed for lifting, your also good at holding drunken flailing arms still to start a line, and tackling that psych patient trying to make a quick get a way!!! Lol.
Dec 23, '12Quote from BostonTerrierLoverRNYou are living in a bubble.Maybe I'm living in a bubble, but I have never been asked about my sexuality, never faced negative treatment, and have always loved my professional female colleagues . I have seen them put up with male's crap though-that's a different thread though.
Jan 3, '13We had several men in my graduating class...they ranged from super manly to flamboyantly gay but I think that's more representative of the times than the profession. They were all great though!
I welcome more men in nursing and I am seeing it more and more. I think the "gay male" stereotype is quickly becoming a thing of the past.
Bring on the men! You can do my heavy lifting so I don't blow another disc!
Jan 3, '13I had one instructor who seemed to pick on the paperwork of the few guys we had in our class--and at one point made a statement to the effect of men are no good at paperwork. Considering that my writing and charting had received good feedback from all other instructors, I felt that she was a little bias. Other than that, I can't say that I've been treated unfairly in school nor in the workplace. In fact, I've been told on multiple occasions that it is nice having male nurses around because we tend to have a more calm demeanor and don't contribute as much to unit drama. These statements were from female nurses by the way, so I hope ladies don't think I'm trying to accuse them of being dramatic and emotional or anything like that.
Jan 3, '13I've seen male nurses get fawned over, get treated with more respect by some of the male doctors as well as *some* of the nurse managers,
and i've chuckled when male nurses get absolutely adored for even minimal effort by some patients, (same move by female nurse gets no effusive response), i've seen male nurses get into specialty units faster than some female nurses who i knew had also applied and were equally qualified or more qualified, more so in the past maybe, but, males used to be chosen over females very often.
I've followed male nurses who had patients that rave about them, partly it seemed out of the sheer novelty of being cared for by a male. (not to say, that the male nurse wasn't great nurse, but, that same pt might not rave that enthusiastically about their female nurses).
but, on the other hand, i have seen some male nurses have to deal with being rejected by a few patients (but, i've also seen a few female nurses be rejected for whatever reason, but not for their gender), and i really do see how the male nurse really IS sought out everytime we move a big patient, oh wow, that is so so true, i'd bet their back injury rate has to be way higher than female nurses, but, that's just a guess.
I've seen a few individual male nurses be less than appreciated now and then, but, it seems to mostly happen to those with real quirky habits or really really odd personalities. But no doubt, there can be some oddball doctor, patient, or manager here or there,
who doesn't respond as well to a male nurse, due to his/her own preconceptions or whatever.
it seems most male nurses are usually very well received by both other nurses, doctors, and patients.
I much enjoy having male nurses for coworkers, gender doesn't matter to me,
and when men first started showing up in noticeable numbers i was so stoked, thinking this might help increase nursing pay overall, YESsssss!..........but, it never did.
edit: i haven't seen a male nurse be assumed to be gay in eons, but, wow, yeah, long ago, that did seem to be something that america had to outgrow,
but, mostly it seems they have. I think that one is mostly over, imo.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 3, '13