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  • Jun 10

    If CRNA school is your end goal I wouldn't go to the NICU... I would just go straight to adults! I worked in PICU first, and even though I loved it and it provided me with a great opportunity... I could be half way done with school instead of JUST now applying! The choice is yours but I personally would want to get school out of the way!

  • Jun 8

    More important is to look at the 5-10 schools that you'll be applying to and make the choice based on that. If a school across the country that you'd never apply to requires physics who cares?
    Also, if the reason that you are going to drop the class is a bad grade, even schools that don't require physics will take the bad grade into account. There is a lot of physics in anesthesia so even if it isn't required as a prerequisite, if you bomb a physics course it may cause schools to be concerned about your academic ability!

  • Jun 5

    Save more money, get more experience. Pay off your car note.

  • Jun 1

    Quote from prelift
    It isnt trolling just because it does not agree with you. The average NP functions at the level of a third year med student at best. A few are good but most are not. Biased nursing studies do not prove equality, but with hand picked research publishing, loose variable control, and the right wording you can make a turd sound like it treats Alzheimer's dementia. Sometimes you just need to use common sense and realize that maybe a real medical education is just a bit better than students attending a lackluster program part time while working and taking online quizzes with their friends during lunch breaks to pass classes. Dunning Kruger- read up on it. I honestly do not understand how some nurses think they have discovered pandora's box and are able to shorten a medical education to like 17 months and some how be able to "out perform a physician." Not quite sure what pandora's box looks like but I can assume it doesn't appear as a bunch of online discussion board posts, quizzes, forced nursing research, and one 4 hour board exam over a large part of nursing ethics with a few clinically oriented questions tossed in there.
    And yet here you are spouting off your own opinion because of something you don't agree with. You don't provide a shred of proof in arguably one of the most incoherent posts I've read on this forum.

  • Jun 1

    All require bachelor's degrees, but not necessarily BSNs. Programs I've specifically looked at include:

    Gonzaga University in Spokane, WA (DNAP)
    California State University Fullerton in Pasadena, CA (MSNA)
    National University in Fresno, CA (MSNA)
    Samuel Merritt University in Oakland, CA (MSN)
    Mayo Clinic College of Medicine in Rochester, MN (DNAP)
    Saint Mary University in Minneapolis, MN (MSNA)

    From what I understand, schools of nursing grant the DNP and MSN degrees (most require BSN, but not all); schools of anesthesia/medicine/biology/ect. grant the DNAP and MSNA degrees (do not require BSN).

    Please feel free to correct me.

  • Mar 14

    Quote from AAC.271
    I don't mean to be rude or naive, but why is this a bad thing? AA's are essentially PA's. Shouldn't we be supporting them and their aims for independent practice as well? Why are you saying they are under trained and dangerous? Anesthesia is so safe now it's really hard to kill a patient. the length of CRNA training is only a bit longer than AA training.

    I don't think it is fair for our profession to be doing to the AA's what the MD's do to us.
    What do you mean "our profession"? You aren't a CRNA which is abundantly evident from a cursory check of some of the other absurd posts that you have made and threads you've started.
    That said, I believe that it IS your intent to be " rude or naive".

  • Mar 14

    It's an interesting argument that since anesthesia is so safe, that we (CRNAs) should promote the independance of AAs. Anesthesia is safe, but people are hurt by poor practice (Joan Rivers). AAs are not PAs, just ask a PA and see what kind of answer you get. But that's beside the point. The point is that All CRNA Schools is using the interest in nurse anesthesia to promote Anesthesiologist Assistants. Obviously the individuals behind the site are very poorly informed about the nurse anesthesia profession. Since they are so poorly informed about the profession, I would not give any validity to the site. If you want to find the most accurate information about CRNA programs for free, go to: CRNA School Search

  • Mar 14

    Quote from AAC.271
    You guys do realize how ridiculous you all sound. AA's are essentially PA's and I consider my PA colleagues extremely competent colleagues. You are being hypocrites by saying that aa are inadequate. And in terms of untested outcomes? I mean lets be serious we all know the outcomes will be the same or superior depending on how the authors spin the papers. Pushing propofol aint no gods work.

    i say we support our aas and advocate for independent practice for them as well. They are highly trained providers with masters degree. And equal length of training as us which frankly doesnt matter because the outcomes are mos tlikely the same.
    When AAs are interchangeable with anesthesiologists in the deployed setting as CRNAs are then you can rant and rave about AAs excellent training.
    AAs are not trained to work independently as CRNAs are. AAs will never be independent because they are a subgroup of the the ASA. CRNAs have always had independent practice for over 150 years.
    AAs main purpose for the ASA is to limit CRNAs scope of practice expansion and keep CRNA salaries down while keeping revenues up for anesthesiologists.
    PAs came about as a transition tool for military medics to address the shortage of civilian primary care physicians. AAs have always had a more nebulous history. They were never trained to be independent. They can only work under medical direction of anesthesiologists. AAs are a part of the ASA making it basically impossible to ever gain independence. They are not trained to be independent and their sole purpose right now is to try and limit CRNA practice.

    As far as your quip about research being whatever the author makes means you don't understand how to evaluate peer reviewed research and/or you don't belong in the medical community. Do you go around deciding what intervention is best for patients by just picking it out of grab bag?. Peer-reviewed scientific evidence is difficult to make up. Replicated peer-reviewed scientific research with multiple researchers/research groups done over the last hundred years is basically impossible to make up as you are suggesting. Assuming that research was so easy to make up then why hasn't the ASA, the most well funded medical PAC, been able to come up with any peer-reviewed research to support the superiority of medical direction, medical supervision, and/or independent anesthesiologists having better outcomes then independent CRNAs.

  • Mar 14

    Quote from Wolf at the Door
    An OR RN Clinical Nurse 3 at Norcal hospital in 2 years averaged 423k. Base Salary was 167k. The rest in call, call back pay, & OT. I would never do that much overtime and call. She's been an RN for 20 years. CRNA at that same facility were making average 220k 5 years exp. Hardly none did OT. Makes it hard to do all that studying, student loans, stress, relationship stress, lacking full respect by others, more responsibility etc.

    The biggest positive I see in being a CRNA is ability to make good money on the east coast as opposed to being locked inside CA.
    I used to work at Stanford in the Bay Area, dated another ICU RN who worked at a competing hospital down the road. Her pay was around $125K a year base and mine was around $130K. Astronomically high I thought until I looked at the real estate market there. A crappy 3 bedroom house that needed renovations was starting at 1 Million.

    I had a friend that worked in the cardiac cath lab, pulled tons of OT, always on call, pretty much lived to work and he managed to pull about $160K a year as an RN. Of course, he got raped in taxes, uncle Sam loves when RNs work a lot of OT.

    The CRNAs I knew of made 250K or more a year there, working 36-40 hours a week with tons of perks and benefits. Not to mention they're actually doing a career that's awesome and requires little to no physical strain.

    I've worked in many different states as an RN and the pay in Cali (especially NorCal) is outrageous for RNs. Move away from that area and your pay drops by about 60K a year. Although as a CRNA you can move to plenty of places and still make 200K or more.

  • Mar 14

    Quote from Wolf at the Door
    How is it "way off"?provide an example to back up such a claim.
    I already have. You need to go to the AANA website and view the annual compensation and benefits summary. That source is probably the most up to date and inclusive database for CRNA salaries and benefits.

  • Mar 14

    Quote from Wolf at the Door
    ^Yep that is the salary in Texas. I found this to be an excellent source of info and right on par with the CrnaTx.

    Nurse Anesthetist Salary by State
    It is way off. I would advise sticking with the AANA annual compensation and benefits survey. IMO it seems to be the most in depth and accurate information about CRNA salaries.

  • Mar 2

    Quote from AAC.271
    Pushing propofol aint no gods work...

    i say we support our aas and advocate for independent practice for them as well.
    This lacks any indicator of insight into the anesthesia world at all.

    Would that it was as simple as "pushing propofol".

    As to the second line, the vast majority of AA's would recoil in horror at the thought, as any broad attempt of AAs and their 'advocates' for independent practice would be the end of their profession as they know it.

    But feel free to give them a hand.

  • Mar 2

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  • Jan 4

    It depends on the circumstances, but anesthesia has a high rate of drug addiction so schools are going to be leary of any kind of drug diversion history.
    You should email the program director at a couple of schools when you are through with disciplinary time.

  • Jan 4

    Quote from wtbcrna
    It depends on the circumstances, but anesthesia has a high rate of drug addiction so schools are going to be leary of any kind of drug diversion history.
    You should email the program director at a couple of schools when you are through with disciplinary time.
    Yeah, I would agree with wtbCRNA. The first week of my CRNA program they hit us with the statistics of 1 out of 10 anesthesia providers end up with problems with substance abuse during their career. That's a very high number. We pretty much were terrified to have a beer after that lecture because we didn't want to open ourselves up to using "substances" for recreation or self-therapy. It's a serious issue and one I think you should think really hard about. Perhaps if you know it has been a temptation before it would be best to pick something else.