TitleTownRN, BSN 2,580 Views
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Clinical ladder? Interesting. Although, I would more accept that for RNs who have different levels of experience with executing clinical tasks, but not for NPs. Not that I ever really bought into the clinical ladder thing for RNs either, but that's another topic. Its a different thing when it comes to qualifying the competence of people who diagnose and treat disease. If our competence is rated according to where we are on a ladder then what does this say about those of us who are at the bottom rung, or not even on the ladder at all (i.e. just plain ole NPs)? Yet another thing to explain to the patients...? My point is that MDs don't have level 1 and 2, and PAs don't have level 1 and 2 either. Why NPs? What makes this even more interesting is that the positions I've seen advertised with this lingo aren't offering a dime more in pay for an NP2 vs an NP1 or 3..whatever.
I am interested in getting my online FNP cert from Chamberlain and presently work for Kaiser Permanente. Chamberlain is in partnerships with Kaiser and so we get a great discount. If Chamberlain was frowned upon why would Kaiser partner with them. Secondly I did my LVN at American Careers College, in class, my ADN at Santa Monica College 100% online and my BSN at Cal State Dominguez Univ which was 100% online. So I can truly say that there is nothing wrong with completing an FNP program online.
In fact in my experience I find that you do more work when you are an online student because you have to research and find answers as apposed to someone presenting you with the information in a lecture. I hear that USC will be or has opened an FNP online program. Getting a job depends on resume presentation, work experience and your personality/preparation at the interview. We all have to take the same exam at the end of the day. We are now in the technology age and moving forward many programs, classes and libraries are online. Just my two cents.
Yes, the VA has pretty competitive pay now, plus location differential. They also have great benefits.
I'm wondering if their NP pay rates ever caught up with the invention of indoor plumbing?
As far as I'm concerned, a nurse who has only been a nurse for a year, has NO BUSINESS being a preceptor, It's untenable.
Upon reading about your "day", you should be commended for all that you accomplished!
Please, please, do NOT turn to the bottle when you are off duty! Not a good plan. Also, you may want to reconsider working back to back shifts and take care of YOU.
She's been a nurse for a year? Wow what an experienced pro. She's a boss.
Hi Runner VA--
In my opinion, HSBCU's represent a very important part of "history" wherein African Americans were able to be educated during a very diffcult time of racial oppression in our country. HBCU's certainly should not be viewed any different from any other college and/or university. As with any university/college, as a educated prospective student, one should research the accrediation of any college or university, no matter the prestige or location of the educational institution. Education is what you put into it as a "student" or "adult learner" regardless of the education institution one attend. I did undergrad (BSN) at a HSBC and went on to grad school after 1 year and obtained a MSN/ED. I graduated sigma theta tau (International honor society of nursing-graduate level) and will put my education toe-toe with any of my colleagues. You should not view your education as a competition with some one else, but think from a more diverse perspectve. Trust God to lead and guide "you" in all your ways and no blessings that is destined for u can be hindered. Man does not hold your future success, God does! I have not had a problem finding a job since obtaining my nursing degree(s). Currently, I am the most educated nurse in comparision to man of my colleagues in my places of employment.
Remember as a nurse you will have to be cultural competent in order to provide the highest level of care. I would also encourage you to research the passing rates of the students on the NCLEX and converse/visit the campus of your prospective nursing program for a better feel of the nursing program.
All the best,
Applied to KSU for AGACNP. I like putting all my eggs in one basket
I submitted the "first" application last week through nursingCAS, paid the $65. Now they review that and verify transcripts, then they will send me the graduate application which I have to pay another $65. I thought this was a little odd, but then again I've never applied to grad programs before. Where are you at in this process?
I went in to a Trauma ICU as a new grad & loved it!!! Got my CCRN as soon as I was eligible - moved on to MSN (critical care CNS & nursing education) after 5 years of bedside/unit educator experience.... worked in all types of ICU settings &, with the exception of Neo, I have enjoyed them all.
Over these many years (decades?? LOL) I came to realize a few things. In order to be a 'happy' ICU nurse, you need to be a "control enthusiast". Managing titrations for hemodynamics & heart rate/rhythm, Maintaining ICP parameters, Keeping oxygenation just right with mechanical ventilation & other titrations?? Those are re-assuring to me. I get nervous if I don't have access to all the "stuff" going on with my patient. My nightmare? Pregnant trauma patient - a teensy little being that I can't even see, let alone monitor..... (shudder). I don't understand how nurses can cope with all those 'walkie talkie' patients that have no monitors at all - YIKES!!!
But I also realize that a lot of what goes on in ICU is not pure nursing at all... it's technology. We love the machines that go 'Bing' (Monty Python reference for you young ones) & hand to hand combat with the Grim Reaper. That's the easy stuff. Advocating for patients & families who are dealing with life-changing or terminal events.... that's the hard stuff. That's what nursing is all about.
I am taking 3 courses at once, 11 credits within 5 weeks and I work full-time. I'm a workaholic though... I will have completed the BSN program in 9 months. I just want to get it over and done with. I wouldn't recommend it because these courses are tough, but I have a goal each day on what assignments to complete.
That offended me as well, iluvgusgus. I couldn't believe what I read. Most of the ADN programs that I am familiar with require a much higher ACT score, and are highly competitive, just to get in. The BSN programs around here are the ones that "take just about anybody." People that couldn't get into the ADN program had to either wait, or go ahead into the BSN program. The ADN programs are designed to get nurses into the workforce quicker. They are compact, no fluff, and have no room for lazy students. My ADN program was at a teaching university, by the way. (Why do people assume ADN programs are only offered at "community" colleges? So not true.) They were originally designed to ease the nursing shortage in the 80's. I, along with thousands of others, already had a degree and didn't want to be in school forever, esp. since we already had tons of humanities, etc. The nursing classes are the same. I took the ADN nursing classes right alongside the BSN students; the BSN students could make a 70 and pass; the ADN students had to make 84 and about on everything, or they were out of the program. If employers are asking for the BSN, that's fine. But for anyone to assume that the ADN student couldn't get into a BSN program is absurd. If anything, the ADN program was much more stringent. When I went back a few years later to get the BSN, I couldn't believe "this" was what all the fuss was about. Mine was cheap back then, but no way I would pay thousands for the BSN today. The classes were a joke, and I honestly learned nothing that I didn't already know. Oh yeah. You have no idea why someone is angry, unless you ask them. Maybe they have a horrible clinical instructor breathing down their neck. I seriously doubt they are angry because they "couldn't get into the BSN" program. Wow.
I've seen good RNs from ADN programs and I've seen bad RNs from ADN programs. Same with BSN programs.
However, I must say that my opinion is that it's up to the students to make the most of their education. Educators present the information, but they can't make the students learn, they can't make the students develop critical thinking abilities. And then once they've passed the NCLEX, it's up to the individual to maintain their competency. Nobody should have things spoon-fed to them if they're able to feed themselves.
I will say this. In my experience, the ADN students that I've met have seemed angry. Why, I don't know. Confusion? Discomfort? Who knows, they never said and I never asked. My personal theory is that they had applied to BSN programs and were rejected, or were scared of rejection and the ADN programs they attended accepted almost anybody. (I will admit, rather selfishly, that I'm glad that it wasn't my license on the line with them. There were a couple that said they were CNAs and worked as CNAs and yet...couldn't do basic skills like check a pulse. Others were less than polite to the staff. Still others tried to do things that they didn't know how to do. But that comes down to the individual, and not the program.)
I do know that my BSN program had more clinical hours than the ADN programs. But at the same time, it also had more clinical hours than other BSN programs in my area.
Also all this going back and forth us getting old. RN is an RN. ADN or BSN doesn't make you any better and that's proven daily in the real world setting. Those who HAVE the critical thinking skills down, the WILL and ABILITY to remain calm/helpful/loving/ and available during an entire 12 hour crazy shift, and an open heart for all people - that's a good nurse.
I don't care if you are a BSN or came from such and such. A bad nurse is a bad nurse, and a nurse with a bad attitude and ugly heart is even worse.
Say what y'all want but a girl about to graduate with a BSN was clueless about how to clean a female patient during peri care.
I also don't understand the point made previously about "broadening horizons" as far as the BSN goes. I do however agree with those who say it's just a lot of APA and paperwork.
My stance: same stuff, just more loans and longer time
But whatevs right? If it means job security then may as well do the BSN, they make it easy enough with it entirely online now
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