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Joined Nov 22, '12 - from 'Rienlander Wisconsin'. IndiCRNA is a CRNA. He has '1' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'ICU, transport, CRNA'. Posts: 120 (63% Liked) Likes: 269

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  • Jul 12

    So there are lots and lots of people out there who are not up on their EBP and believe that new grads must work their way up to ICU. It's not true. Evidence has shown that new grads can excel in ICU, if they are properly trained and supported. Most of the better hospital hire new grads into ICU as a matter of routine.
    It very much depends on the investment the hospital is willing to make in training and supporting you. If they don't offer the kind of training and support required to turn new nurses into ICU nurses then you are better off to work your way up.
    Ask if the unit has a history of training new grads into ICU and understands what is required.
    My hospital offers a 9 month critical care residency for new grads going into ICU. We are actually too small to support the training so grads are trained at the much larger flag ship hospital in the system then go to work in our smaller hospital.

  • Apr 26

    Quote from ruler of kolob
    3.0 will get you into many schools. I really wish people would quit acting like it is difficult to get into a program.
    This!
    I got my BSN through WGU and was accepted at 3 of the 4 school I applied to. You have to realize that:

    A) NA school is very easy to get into.
    B) Nobody cares where you got your degree.
    C) Unless you are doing NA at a big university with a school of nursing so that you graduate with a MSN or DNP they don't even care if you even have a BSN.

    Only about 2/3 of my class even had BSNs. The other third had degrees in wide ranging subject from forestry, dairy science, mortuary science, English, biology and others.
    What my school did care about what the quality of our ICU experience and science grades.

  • Apr 5

    Quote from BigcatchRN
    Thanks for your response Indi! I do have about 1 year of experience in intense Level 1 Trauma SICU but that was from a few years ago; I have since moved and now work a variety of ICU's through float pool but it is more community hospital level. I know that's not going to cut it to make my experience very competitive, but I plan to use the 1.5 years I probably have at a minimum before starting CRNA school to build more experience at a "sicker" SICU. The only thing holding me back now is the prospect of giving up my float pay
    : (
    Hey man forget your float pay. I intentionaly went to work in a very low paying hospital specificaly cause I know that nurses from that unit get accepted to CRNA school at very high rates. I make about $60K less working at that hospital than I could have in a different hospital 3 hours away. However that unit got me into CRNA school and I have WAY WAY more than made up the difference. You wouldn't even believe me if I told you how much I make now.
    I am 1/3 owner of an all CRNA practice. The 3 of us have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia services of a smaller hospital. That means we get 100% of the bill rate for services. Our schedual is PERFECT. It goes like this. For two weeks I work mon-fri 6-8 hours a day doing schedualed cases. No call, no nights, no weekends. Then for two weeks I go on call 24/7 but have no schedualed cases. On average I work 15 hours a week during those 2 weeks but I am on call all the time. Usually I am called in for night OB cases and for trauma in the ER, and emergency cases. Fun stuff. We also provide on call intensivist coverage for the small ICU. That means I take calls at night to deal with issues with the ICU patients. We also run all the vents after hours. It sounds like a lot but it's not really and it's the only thing I have to do for those 2 weeks. I take call from home. I own a farm that I am setting up for hunting and I get a lot of work done and get in a lot of fishing during those two weeks. Then for two weeks I am OFF! So I get 2 weeks off out of every 6 weeks. Our schedual rotates like that in 6 week blocks.
    All the income figures for CRNAs you see are for employees. I am the junior partner of our 3 CRNA group and I will make more than $300K in my first year. The senior partner makes over half a million. I expect to make over half a million within 5 years. We are NOT supervised by physicians in any way. We ARE the anesthesia department. We write orders on our patients and follow them so long as they are in the ICU or PACU. We are in negotiations right now to take over the pain managment service. That will add minimal work but a lot of income. We recently hired a CRNA to cover baby leave by one of the partners and we are paying him $120K for 12 weeks work.
    Your float pay is nothing in compairison. Get it done!

  • Mar 31

    Quote from Topher53
    Now, before I get blown up with comments saying "it's not about money, but patient care". I get that. No need to tell me over and over. I heard CRNAs mainly get hired in rural areas, which kind of scares me. I would simply like to know the average starting salary of your line of work, plus the area you live in, and/or the amount of experience you have as a CRNA. Thank you!
    The answer is "it depends". Most of classmates/friends started at $130K-200K in this area. "this area" being between were we went to school in Minneapolis MN east through Wisconsin since most of us came to MN from Wisconsin for school then restured to Wisconsin (more than half of my class all came from one hospital's SICU and we all knew each other long before NA school). Those who took jobs in the city are making the least, those working in rural area the most. There are two of us, inlcuding me, who belong to all CRNA anethesia practices. I am not an employee but rather 1/3 owner of the practice. We have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia sevices in a very busy smaller rural hospital, plus contracts to provide on call services for a couple tiny rural hospitals). My net (after taxes, health insurance, capital and interest payments to buy into the practice etc)for my first year will be over $300K. I make considerably less that the two senior partners at this point. We work a 6 week rotating schedual. 2 weeks of Monday-Friday schedualed cases in the OR and covering 2nd call in off hours and weekends (very rare to actually be called in, never happend to me so far). The second two weeks is no schedualed cases at all but on call 24/7. Actually average 21 hours a week of work during the call weeks. Then we are off for two weeks and the schedual repeats. I average slightly over 20 hours of work a week when six weeks of hours are devided by six. We take our call from home.
    It is a fantastic qualiety of life. We are never medicaly directed, we ARE the anesthesia department. Complete autonomy. I love it and highly recomend it. However to work in this enviroment you have to feel confident in your skills since there is no back up as there is with an ACT model.

  • Feb 18

    Quote from Topher53
    Now, before I get blown up with comments saying "it's not about money, but patient care". I get that. No need to tell me over and over. I heard CRNAs mainly get hired in rural areas, which kind of scares me. I would simply like to know the average starting salary of your line of work, plus the area you live in, and/or the amount of experience you have as a CRNA. Thank you!
    The answer is "it depends". Most of classmates/friends started at $130K-200K in this area. "this area" being between were we went to school in Minneapolis MN east through Wisconsin since most of us came to MN from Wisconsin for school then restured to Wisconsin (more than half of my class all came from one hospital's SICU and we all knew each other long before NA school). Those who took jobs in the city are making the least, those working in rural area the most. There are two of us, inlcuding me, who belong to all CRNA anethesia practices. I am not an employee but rather 1/3 owner of the practice. We have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia sevices in a very busy smaller rural hospital, plus contracts to provide on call services for a couple tiny rural hospitals). My net (after taxes, health insurance, capital and interest payments to buy into the practice etc)for my first year will be over $300K. I make considerably less that the two senior partners at this point. We work a 6 week rotating schedual. 2 weeks of Monday-Friday schedualed cases in the OR and covering 2nd call in off hours and weekends (very rare to actually be called in, never happend to me so far). The second two weeks is no schedualed cases at all but on call 24/7. Actually average 21 hours a week of work during the call weeks. Then we are off for two weeks and the schedual repeats. I average slightly over 20 hours of work a week when six weeks of hours are devided by six. We take our call from home.
    It is a fantastic qualiety of life. We are never medicaly directed, we ARE the anesthesia department. Complete autonomy. I love it and highly recomend it. However to work in this enviroment you have to feel confident in your skills since there is no back up as there is with an ACT model.

  • Feb 16

    I got my BSN through WGU and was accepted to 3 of the 4 programs I applied to the first time. I graduated from CRNA school this August (2012). My exerience was far more important than academics. Where you work and what kind of ICU is more important than where you get your degree. I think that if your experience is questionable the academics becomes more important.

  • Feb 13

    Quote from Topher53
    Now, before I get blown up with comments saying "it's not about money, but patient care". I get that. No need to tell me over and over. I heard CRNAs mainly get hired in rural areas, which kind of scares me. I would simply like to know the average starting salary of your line of work, plus the area you live in, and/or the amount of experience you have as a CRNA. Thank you!
    The answer is "it depends". Most of classmates/friends started at $130K-200K in this area. "this area" being between were we went to school in Minneapolis MN east through Wisconsin since most of us came to MN from Wisconsin for school then restured to Wisconsin (more than half of my class all came from one hospital's SICU and we all knew each other long before NA school). Those who took jobs in the city are making the least, those working in rural area the most. There are two of us, inlcuding me, who belong to all CRNA anethesia practices. I am not an employee but rather 1/3 owner of the practice. We have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia sevices in a very busy smaller rural hospital, plus contracts to provide on call services for a couple tiny rural hospitals). My net (after taxes, health insurance, capital and interest payments to buy into the practice etc)for my first year will be over $300K. I make considerably less that the two senior partners at this point. We work a 6 week rotating schedual. 2 weeks of Monday-Friday schedualed cases in the OR and covering 2nd call in off hours and weekends (very rare to actually be called in, never happend to me so far). The second two weeks is no schedualed cases at all but on call 24/7. Actually average 21 hours a week of work during the call weeks. Then we are off for two weeks and the schedual repeats. I average slightly over 20 hours of work a week when six weeks of hours are devided by six. We take our call from home.
    It is a fantastic qualiety of life. We are never medicaly directed, we ARE the anesthesia department. Complete autonomy. I love it and highly recomend it. However to work in this enviroment you have to feel confident in your skills since there is no back up as there is with an ACT model.

  • Feb 7

    Quote from Topher53
    Now, before I get blown up with comments saying "it's not about money, but patient care". I get that. No need to tell me over and over. I heard CRNAs mainly get hired in rural areas, which kind of scares me. I would simply like to know the average starting salary of your line of work, plus the area you live in, and/or the amount of experience you have as a CRNA. Thank you!
    The answer is "it depends". Most of classmates/friends started at $130K-200K in this area. "this area" being between were we went to school in Minneapolis MN east through Wisconsin since most of us came to MN from Wisconsin for school then restured to Wisconsin (more than half of my class all came from one hospital's SICU and we all knew each other long before NA school). Those who took jobs in the city are making the least, those working in rural area the most. There are two of us, inlcuding me, who belong to all CRNA anethesia practices. I am not an employee but rather 1/3 owner of the practice. We have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia sevices in a very busy smaller rural hospital, plus contracts to provide on call services for a couple tiny rural hospitals). My net (after taxes, health insurance, capital and interest payments to buy into the practice etc)for my first year will be over $300K. I make considerably less that the two senior partners at this point. We work a 6 week rotating schedual. 2 weeks of Monday-Friday schedualed cases in the OR and covering 2nd call in off hours and weekends (very rare to actually be called in, never happend to me so far). The second two weeks is no schedualed cases at all but on call 24/7. Actually average 21 hours a week of work during the call weeks. Then we are off for two weeks and the schedual repeats. I average slightly over 20 hours of work a week when six weeks of hours are devided by six. We take our call from home.
    It is a fantastic qualiety of life. We are never medicaly directed, we ARE the anesthesia department. Complete autonomy. I love it and highly recomend it. However to work in this enviroment you have to feel confident in your skills since there is no back up as there is with an ACT model.

  • Feb 2

    Quote from Topher53
    Now, before I get blown up with comments saying "it's not about money, but patient care". I get that. No need to tell me over and over. I heard CRNAs mainly get hired in rural areas, which kind of scares me. I would simply like to know the average starting salary of your line of work, plus the area you live in, and/or the amount of experience you have as a CRNA. Thank you!
    The answer is "it depends". Most of classmates/friends started at $130K-200K in this area. "this area" being between were we went to school in Minneapolis MN east through Wisconsin since most of us came to MN from Wisconsin for school then restured to Wisconsin (more than half of my class all came from one hospital's SICU and we all knew each other long before NA school). Those who took jobs in the city are making the least, those working in rural area the most. There are two of us, inlcuding me, who belong to all CRNA anethesia practices. I am not an employee but rather 1/3 owner of the practice. We have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia sevices in a very busy smaller rural hospital, plus contracts to provide on call services for a couple tiny rural hospitals). My net (after taxes, health insurance, capital and interest payments to buy into the practice etc)for my first year will be over $300K. I make considerably less that the two senior partners at this point. We work a 6 week rotating schedual. 2 weeks of Monday-Friday schedualed cases in the OR and covering 2nd call in off hours and weekends (very rare to actually be called in, never happend to me so far). The second two weeks is no schedualed cases at all but on call 24/7. Actually average 21 hours a week of work during the call weeks. Then we are off for two weeks and the schedual repeats. I average slightly over 20 hours of work a week when six weeks of hours are devided by six. We take our call from home.
    It is a fantastic qualiety of life. We are never medicaly directed, we ARE the anesthesia department. Complete autonomy. I love it and highly recomend it. However to work in this enviroment you have to feel confident in your skills since there is no back up as there is with an ACT model.

  • Jan 30

    Quote from BigcatchRN
    Thanks for your response Indi! I do have about 1 year of experience in intense Level 1 Trauma SICU but that was from a few years ago; I have since moved and now work a variety of ICU's through float pool but it is more community hospital level. I know that's not going to cut it to make my experience very competitive, but I plan to use the 1.5 years I probably have at a minimum before starting CRNA school to build more experience at a "sicker" SICU. The only thing holding me back now is the prospect of giving up my float pay
    : (
    Hey man forget your float pay. I intentionaly went to work in a very low paying hospital specificaly cause I know that nurses from that unit get accepted to CRNA school at very high rates. I make about $60K less working at that hospital than I could have in a different hospital 3 hours away. However that unit got me into CRNA school and I have WAY WAY more than made up the difference. You wouldn't even believe me if I told you how much I make now.
    I am 1/3 owner of an all CRNA practice. The 3 of us have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia services of a smaller hospital. That means we get 100% of the bill rate for services. Our schedual is PERFECT. It goes like this. For two weeks I work mon-fri 6-8 hours a day doing schedualed cases. No call, no nights, no weekends. Then for two weeks I go on call 24/7 but have no schedualed cases. On average I work 15 hours a week during those 2 weeks but I am on call all the time. Usually I am called in for night OB cases and for trauma in the ER, and emergency cases. Fun stuff. We also provide on call intensivist coverage for the small ICU. That means I take calls at night to deal with issues with the ICU patients. We also run all the vents after hours. It sounds like a lot but it's not really and it's the only thing I have to do for those 2 weeks. I take call from home. I own a farm that I am setting up for hunting and I get a lot of work done and get in a lot of fishing during those two weeks. Then for two weeks I am OFF! So I get 2 weeks off out of every 6 weeks. Our schedual rotates like that in 6 week blocks.
    All the income figures for CRNAs you see are for employees. I am the junior partner of our 3 CRNA group and I will make more than $300K in my first year. The senior partner makes over half a million. I expect to make over half a million within 5 years. We are NOT supervised by physicians in any way. We ARE the anesthesia department. We write orders on our patients and follow them so long as they are in the ICU or PACU. We are in negotiations right now to take over the pain managment service. That will add minimal work but a lot of income. We recently hired a CRNA to cover baby leave by one of the partners and we are paying him $120K for 12 weeks work.
    Your float pay is nothing in compairison. Get it done!

  • Jan 28

    I like all the bright, ambitious, hard working and intelligent young women I get to work with. I love teaching these bright young ladies coming out of college every year eager to learn and excited for their future.
    I also working with the older, experienced and street wise nurses who have been doing this job for years and have a wealth of great advice and tips to offer. I have (and continue to) learn so much from these ladies.
    I find that being a male allows me to avoid much of the drama and reduces interpersonal communication barriers that I often see between female nurses. The young nurses are happy to learn from me and the older nurses are happy to teach me.

  • Jan 24

    Quote from wtbcrna
    There are approximately 40K CRNAs, and the vast majority of those have at least a Masters degree.

    There are approximately 25% of CRNAs that still identify themselves as only having a diploma or Bachelor degree as their highest degree, but there is no indication if these CRNAs are still actively working or just maintaining their AANA membership.
    When I was in NA school one of my clinical preceptors was a super sharp older gentleman who had been a CRNA since the early 70's. He didn't have a degree in anything. He had a diploma RN and was trained in an 18 month long hospital based certificate anesthesia program. He was a fantastic provider and was the "go-to-guy" for tough cases for both MDA residents and CRNAs. All of the MDA residents learned their open heart cases from him. He also was an instructor in the Physicians Advanced Airway Management course required for solo ER providers.
    He read constantly and had plans on working, at least part time, into his 70's. Also a heck of a nice man who loved to teach.

    To the OP. Remember that anesthesia was a NURSING specialty long before it was a physician specialty. The first MDAs had to be taught by early CRNAs. Never pay any attention to anything said on studentdoc.net.
    I can't really tell you how MDAs treat CRNAs. If one ever shows up around here I will let you know.

  • Jan 16

    Quote from PMFB-RN
    FWIW I pwersonaly know several RNs from our ICU who completed their BSN at WGU and had no trouble getting accepted to CRNA school.
    I graduated from CRNA school August of 2011. I got my BSN from WGU (in a year) and was accepted to two of the three programs I applied to.

  • Jan 11

    Quote from BigcatchRN
    Thanks for your response Indi! I do have about 1 year of experience in intense Level 1 Trauma SICU but that was from a few years ago; I have since moved and now work a variety of ICU's through float pool but it is more community hospital level. I know that's not going to cut it to make my experience very competitive, but I plan to use the 1.5 years I probably have at a minimum before starting CRNA school to build more experience at a "sicker" SICU. The only thing holding me back now is the prospect of giving up my float pay
    : (
    Hey man forget your float pay. I intentionaly went to work in a very low paying hospital specificaly cause I know that nurses from that unit get accepted to CRNA school at very high rates. I make about $60K less working at that hospital than I could have in a different hospital 3 hours away. However that unit got me into CRNA school and I have WAY WAY more than made up the difference. You wouldn't even believe me if I told you how much I make now.
    I am 1/3 owner of an all CRNA practice. The 3 of us have the exclusive contract to provide anesthesia services of a smaller hospital. That means we get 100% of the bill rate for services. Our schedual is PERFECT. It goes like this. For two weeks I work mon-fri 6-8 hours a day doing schedualed cases. No call, no nights, no weekends. Then for two weeks I go on call 24/7 but have no schedualed cases. On average I work 15 hours a week during those 2 weeks but I am on call all the time. Usually I am called in for night OB cases and for trauma in the ER, and emergency cases. Fun stuff. We also provide on call intensivist coverage for the small ICU. That means I take calls at night to deal with issues with the ICU patients. We also run all the vents after hours. It sounds like a lot but it's not really and it's the only thing I have to do for those 2 weeks. I take call from home. I own a farm that I am setting up for hunting and I get a lot of work done and get in a lot of fishing during those two weeks. Then for two weeks I am OFF! So I get 2 weeks off out of every 6 weeks. Our schedual rotates like that in 6 week blocks.
    All the income figures for CRNAs you see are for employees. I am the junior partner of our 3 CRNA group and I will make more than $300K in my first year. The senior partner makes over half a million. I expect to make over half a million within 5 years. We are NOT supervised by physicians in any way. We ARE the anesthesia department. We write orders on our patients and follow them so long as they are in the ICU or PACU. We are in negotiations right now to take over the pain managment service. That will add minimal work but a lot of income. We recently hired a CRNA to cover baby leave by one of the partners and we are paying him $120K for 12 weeks work.
    Your float pay is nothing in compairison. Get it done!

  • Jan 11

    Indi, Do you mind sharing which schools you applied to?
    Minneapolis School of Anesthesia , St.Mary's University in Minneapolis, University of MN (not accepted), Franciscan Healthcare School of Anesthesia in La Crosse WI.

    I am in the exact same position as OP. I already have a non nursing BS and also a related, but non nursing MS degree. I want to get the BSN FAST and CHEAP. WGU is soooo tempting in that regard. Why would I want to spend 18 months and upwards of $15,000 on another BS degree if I don't have to?
    Indeed why are you getting a BSN at all? Only about half my class had BSNs. I have known RNs to go to anesthesia school with dregees in dairy science, english, forestry, biology, chemistry, education and others.

    I have near 4.0 GPA in all three of my degrees (BS, MS, and ADN). I have been a practicing RN for 6 years. I have 2+ years experience in ICU -plus pediatrics, neonatal ICU, obstetrics (ante- and post-partum), med-surg, and telemetry/stepdown. I say this not to brag but to put a perspective on the following:
    LOL it never occured to me that might be bragging. Your experience is pretty lite. Nothing counts except ICU experience and the kind of unit makes all the difference. Over half my class were all from the same unit of the same hospital and former RNs form that unit are heavily represented in local CRNA programs. This particular SICU has a large open heart program and is a trauma center. SICU nurses are expected to practice with tremdous autonomy and get constant experience with the sickest of the sick patients with very little physician support. For example on nights the resident that covers the SICU also covers trauma and emergency surgery. It might be impossible to get a physician at the bedside in less than an hour. For that reason the RNs have a vast selection of standing orders and protocols to deal with nearly anything on their own, at least for a little while. In addition the SICU nurses are the trauma nurses. When there is a trauma team activation it is an SICU RN who responds to the trauma bay. The ER nurses roll is to record vital sings and run and fetch things. The SICU RN is the bedside trauma RN. They are also the code team and rapid response team.

    I called a program director for a CRNA program I was interested in to feel out her opinion on the WGU BSN (prior to applying to any BSN program). She had not heard of WGU before, so I briefly explained the pass/fail grading process and the competency based approach. And I stressed that yes, the WGU program is fully accredited. I told her that some schools interpret the "pass" as a 3.0 which worries me because that is not a competitve GPA for CRNA applicants.

    Her response to me was something along the lines of "it would be hard for you to compete against other applicants who had already demonstrated professional nursing competency through a traditional BSN program with strong GPA."
    My GPA was certainly considered. My WGU GPA was counted as a 3.0 but when added in with my ADN GPA of 4.0 I ended up with a 3.66. 3.5 was considered compedative. In addition I took a graduate level advanced pharm class and got an A to demonstrate I could do graduate corse work (with the added benifit of reducing my work load during the first semester of CRNA school).
    Schools vary a lot on what they think is important.p In my area most schools don't require the GRE and consider qualiety of experience.

    Really? So now a BSN is what demonstrates nursing competancy. I understand what she is saying, I guess, but I just find the notion a little bit .....strange. And sad.
    Seem stupid to me. The BSN doesn't tell you anything about nursing competency. I think I got dumber in the BSN program.

    She did not say ANYTHING to me about looking at other factors such as experience, GPA with non-BSN degrees, GRE scores, or strong interview performance. At least for this one director at this one CRNA program, it seems the WGU BSN would be a quick dealbreaker for the admitting committee.
    Well if that is the school you really want to attend then you have your answer. I would suggest University of Wyoming. I know several RNs who finished their BSN there for around $5K


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