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    rn1965 likes this.

    Quote from StillRN
    Be grateful you can check at midnight and have to entire day to test. We have to time our check-in's very carefully as we only get 5 hours from the minute of check-in to test and most places are only open 7-8am - 4-5pm. If we are late to a test (even minutes) we get time added to our "sentence"!

    I've had many embarrassing moments while testing... i get nervous i wont be able to go... then the nerves activate everything else! Sucks!!
    Thanks for the perspective

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    rn1965 likes this.

    Quote from SpankedInPittsburgh
    Yeah, I'm a pee before work guy and thus far have not had a dilute specimen that I know of. Plus it puts it behind me for the day. I check my phone when I wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom (old man bladder) alarm accordingly 5A for Pee & 630A for no pee. As far as timing the pee tests. Honestly, I don't think 24 hours notice would make much of a difference. However, I know some nurses still drink and drug in this program and invariably get caught. I would never give them that satisfaction besides I think it would ruin my buzz. I wish they would simply go to a system that would provide the coverage and insurance of sobriety they need (hair tests?) whereas we submit to scheduled testing within the detection period. For example, If a hair test shows 30 (+) days of potential substance use why should we have to go more often. I believe this daily checking is just another layer of retribution for being "bad". If you miss you daily check in its another thing to punish you for and make you reside in this purgatory a little longer. Of course as you probably all know I don't see why we have to do the idiotic meetings either if we can stay clean on our own. If we can't then bust out the whole batch of nonsense but at least give us a chance to see if we can do it without this additional "support".
    As in any standard real estate transaction...everybody's gotta get paid! Its really that simple...logic? Public safety? Science? Evidence? Those words are crazy talk...c'mon now!

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    Quote from noctanol
    Lol, and how would that be a random drug test if you had 24 hours to drop a sample??? Let's be honest, not all nurses here are sober and cheating this "system" is not that difficult. It's now 2AM in Houston, this is the time I check mine almost everyday while I empty my bladder. Gives me plenty of time to plan my day.
    *****Download the app, it takes 15 seconds to check and I get a screenshot of all my confirmation numbers just in case there's an issue down the road.
    This argument makes even less sense...checking in...say the evening or night before would make zero difference in your "random" support of this atrocity...there is in fact almost zero way to fool a test within almost a 72 hour window...do some homework...the only way is time...as in many days between testing...and so you are not alone...I work days and have become like Pavlovs dog as I wake up like a clock at midnight and check...then fall back asleep etc...repeat...explain how being able to say check in at 9 pm etc...the night before would even matter?

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    The real question...which I never even get a sane response to...is why in the name of science can't we check in the day before? At least people could plan...oh wait that would be logical and far from the scope these programs offer...the science of testing would not be affected at all...oops...sorry again...science? Evidence based? What was I thinking! Money money money money...that's more like it!

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    Quote from SpankedInPittsburgh
    A couple things. First, I'll give E. Tolli a look. So far all the suggestions I've got for reading and documentaries have been great here. Second, I've been trying to think of what to say about the whole "sponsor letter" thing. It's so dumb and wrong on so many levels it takes my breathe away. An AA report card???? Asinine truly. It violates any precepts of treatment or AA traditions. How is a person supposed to be willing to open up to a therapist or sponsor or best friend or whoever if there is no trust of some level of confidentially. This is one main reason why the nurse support groups albeit overseen by a "therapist" aren't therapy. Who would trust that these deep dark secrets wouldn't get looked at by the monitoring Nazis if everybody reports to them. What's next a report from our Priest after confession. Finally, yes this program is mind-numbingly stupid and indefensible on so many levels. However, the only way to keep out nursing license is to play this half-witted version of "mother may I". Nurses have worked too hard to lose what they have earned. Play the game and take a long, hot bath afterwards
    Actually reminds me of a curb your enthusiasm episode...when asked by his psych that things are going well and they had developed a sense of honesty and open trust, Larry D simply responds..."No...I am often not honest with you at all..." Hah! I love it! These people will never "know" "me" only as much BS as they need to mediate compliance...

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    rn1965 likes this.

    Quote from SpankedInPittsburgh
    Yeah what's worse than an absence of evidence is ignoring evidence contrary to a desired result. In the case I used as an example we had two people in a group of 12 who maintained sobriety for 7-10 years without going to 12 step meetings since they got out of rehab. You had most of the rest of the group stating how these meetings were not helpful at all. This evidence and input was simply ignored or even denied. How is this supposed to be scientific? Its anti-scientific and cult-like. In an age of scarce resources and soaring healthcare costs how do we justify spending all this money on a "treatment" that is not based in science and seems to have dismal results. Think of it this way if there a medication or medical procedure out there that had single digit success rates would we invest billions in it? I think we only do this because the 12 step model has become a mantra of sorts
    Indeed...I was actually told recently what would "help my case best" is...are you ready?...a "sponsor letter"
    I almost fell out of my chair...utterly abhorrent

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    After reading many of the above posts I must state..."recovery" depends...like so many things "medical" upon the definition...as this word is so often thrown around in this atrocious world of 12 step mumbo jumbo and snake oil puffery, I crave then the day when those so freely ready to compromise that evidence which allowed them to practice in the first place the ability to mind their own business...I simply cannot be sold the Brooklyn Bridge and therefore...in the best spirit of Hitchens may proclaim: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" The epitome of this tragedy best summised by my "appointed" "therapist" (From what I can gather somebody with a certificate that was gotten by merely having the experience of being drunk or high before and perhaps taking a "recovery" lecture...also perhaps shaping opinion through 12 step meetings and the absurd book touted as fact...) who in the most serious tone and composure stated: "Its all subjective anyway" I used all my "willpower" to simply not laugh out loud in his face! Onward!

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    I'm pro spite!

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    caliotter3 and rn1965 like this.

    Well...wether you drink that "kool-aide" or the stuff that comes with the equally disgraceful ads for rehab facilities is of no concern...as a number you are simply expected to spend money...

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    rn1965 likes this.

    Quote from subee
    It has been 4 years since I had good access into current research but remember that 2 separate studies confirmed that 5 years out of initial tx. provedto be the most common time for relapse. Hence why some states requires 5 years participation in monitoring programs. So many participants were victims of sexyal abuse and these problems aren't resolved in a mere 2 years.
    Please show me the actual "scientific" data from a study that is not created by the 12 step industrial complex! Please! Those numbers mean nothing...lets see what the JAMA and/or the Lancet shows

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    rn1965, Wizard 1, catsmeow1972, and 1 other like this.

    Quote from SpankedInPittsburgh
    Damn right it counts!!! You self-reported a year ago and got yourself in a monitoring-program friendly jab that you have been practicing safely in for over a year. Of course I have no idea how the super-geniuses who actually run the cookie cutter are gonna react to this. Them forcing you into a position to go to rehab / lose your job or whatever would simply be spiteful after all this clean time and successful employment. However, you doing the right thing and acting responsibility counts if not to anybody else then to you. I'll pray that things go well for you
    Oh...c'mon now...where I come from the "magic" number they randomly choose is 2 years of "clean time" (would they count this if people didn't bathe???) Certainly I will need many hot showers to wash away the disgust associated with this abomination

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    catsmeow1972 likes this.

    Why would you think anything else about for-profit, corporate america??? Being that we are all nothing more than numbers on a ledger to these despicable characters must come at no surprise to you...

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    morte, DRossy, catsmeow1972, and 1 other like this.

    Quote from catsmeow1972
    Statistics can be manipulated to say anything you want. I'll say it again. Forced recovery is not recovery. These programs are nothing like what they used to be. Now they do more harm than good
    I am bipolar. Wanna tell me how sitting in AA meetings is gonna help that? I'm glad this stuff helped you or you know people who it helped. Great. I any many more I know have been hurt. There. We're even.
    Sitting in AA meetings actually helps very few people...actual science proves this...oh wait...we can't talk about evidence based practice...can we? It goes against the illogical grain these hokum programs use as a money grab...never drink the kool aide

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    A lot of posts have been about being checked... can they check your attendance...or is anybody looking at your attendance excetera excetera excetera...its completely against the "anonymity" hogwash literally "preached" at these snake oil lemonade stands...play the game and never submit to the abhorrent hypocrisy.

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    We are not addressing the underlying issues...our healthcare system is reactive not preventative...the industry wants and keeps people ill...its very lucrative. The extension of this tragedy known as the "rehab industry" or whatever you want to call it is no different...all humans...whatever the illness are numbers in a financial ledger in corporate america...don't ever make the mistake of seeing it any other way...


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