malamud69 10,083 Views
Joined May 10, '12.
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It has been 4 years since I had good access into current research but remember that 2 separate studies confirmed that 5 years out of initial tx. provedto be the most common time for relapse. Hence why some states requires 5 years participation in monitoring programs. So many participants were victims of sexyal abuse and these problems aren't resolved in a mere 2 years.
Damn right it counts!!! You self-reported a year ago and got yourself in a monitoring-program friendly jab that you have been practicing safely in for over a year. Of course I have no idea how the super-geniuses who actually run the cookie cutter are gonna react to this. Them forcing you into a position to go to rehab / lose your job or whatever would simply be spiteful after all this clean time and successful employment. However, you doing the right thing and acting responsibility counts if not to anybody else then to you. I'll pray that things go well for you
Why would you think anything else about for-profit, corporate america??? Being that we are all nothing more than numbers on a ledger to these despicable characters must come at no surprise to you...
Statistics can be manipulated to say anything you want. I'll say it again. Forced recovery is not recovery. These programs are nothing like what they used to be. Now they do more harm than good
I am bipolar. Wanna tell me how sitting in AA meetings is gonna help that? I'm glad this stuff helped you or you know people who it helped. Great. I any many more I know have been hurt. There. We're even.
A lot of posts have been about being checked... can they check your attendance...or is anybody looking at your attendance excetera excetera excetera...its completely against the "anonymity" hogwash literally "preached" at these snake oil lemonade stands...play the game and never submit to the abhorrent hypocrisy.
We are not addressing the underlying issues...our healthcare system is reactive not preventative...the industry wants and keeps people ill...its very lucrative. The extension of this tragedy known as the "rehab industry" or whatever you want to call it is no different...all humans...whatever the illness are numbers in a financial ledger in corporate america...don't ever make the mistake of seeing it any other way...
Again....read : "The Sober Truth" by MD Dodes...it has real science in it and everything
Sad and disrespectful that we are coerced into going to what amounts to nothing more than ruminations on junk science with religious hokum abounding! The so called "recovery" movement literally side steps the centuries of psychological scientific inquiry for ease of use and quite frankly a laziness that if anything simply reflects the horrific state of our medical system at large.
Ahhhh....yes...anonymity....just like having meeting logs signed. Adding more to the heap of absurd, intrusive, punitive hypocrisy based on junk science and religious mumbo jumbo...at best.
I think in reality only the Pee does matter. You are either clean or not. The rest of the garbage is just a money grab for an industry that produces a product that doesn't work. My counselor at the inpatient hell hole said less than 10% of the "class" I was in would be clean in a year. I was in a smaller group of 12 and two of us stayed sober for about 6 months. Now he's drinking again. That leaves only me?!?!? The 12 step, rehab hating idiot??? Really???
I know we're sort of getting wayyyyy of the topic of the OP but welll....
It's all just the thing that these are supposed to be professional monitoring programs who's mission is to determine if you are safe to practice. I want to know how forced 12 step attendance and parroting of platitudes and slogans, forcing me to disclose that I take hormonal medication and what pharmacy I get it from and allowing them violate my right to privacy (HIPPA anyone?) has anything to do with me being safe to practice? The only justifiable thing i can see in all this mess is the drug testing. The rest is pure crap and revolves around nothing but money and punishment.
i would love to get a count of how many of us have put off procedures, even minor (dental work, colonoscopy) or self care (hold pee or not drink enough to avoid a dilute, UTI anyone? because of these programs. i would bet close to 100%
I'll echo...5 yrs here...not work related...hypocrisy and incompetence run rampant...oh yeah...did I mention I could "possibly" be "released" early as long as I see their snake oil salseman...sorry...I mean "addiction specialist" for a nominal fee! No thanks I intend to finish this abomination out of spite.
The whole same-day check-in thing is absurd... Many a nights I'm awake at midnight as well checking in... Why we can't check in say the evening before and then plan head... Well wouldn't that be just too logical. The way these tests work and how precise and accurate and how much they test for its complete idiocy to think they wouldn't detect something within a greater than a 24-hour period...but alas we are dealing with the absurd.
Up at 430 a.m.
Like medical diagnosis the 'issue" is multi-faceted...what works for one may not for another...so why not reign in the rhetoric? The rampant hypocrisy does exist and does ruin people's lives.
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