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  • Jan 12

    I find it insane that they can stick a new grad into a monitoring program when they have done nothing wrong in their career as a nurse. I find it ludacris to think that because someone had a DUI three years prior yet finished nursing school, clinicals (while being supervised by instrustors), and passed boards should have their charges put on their practicing record and be placed in a monitoring program. I understand if you drive drunk to work...show up drunk...or even if you are being unprofessional after receiving your license and drive drunk. But after the thousands of dollars it costs along with all the court required counseling to even get your drivers license back, it seems insane that they could place you into a monitoring program through BON. Just my opinion

  • Jan 12

    I think they need to do away with the blanket type punishment. And yes it is punishment! My situation is a little different (or so I think). I am on monitoring bcuz I have an injury and take prescribed medication. The thing is is that I like everyone else can no longer treat myself as an adult and have a glass of wine with dinner. I can no longer treat allergies or insomnia with Benadryl. I have to watch everything I put on or in my body ...... Except oxycodone! Have a headache I have to take oxy. Insomnia ... Oxy. Allergies....oxy. With monitoring I do not have to stop the thing that got me here in the first place. No diversion. No impaired on the job no theft or criminal charges. I Did get busted for taking a medication after a year. I don't take all the meds prescribed so I just keep them (that's the way I was raised. Never waste things. I am sure a lot of you were raised the same way. I also got a complaint in their investigation that I started an IV on a Abu without gloves. Really. Am I the only one? The investigator actually laughed when she read it to me and admitted she frequently did the same yet I got reprimanded for it. So I had taken morphinr instead of oxy bcuz I was in a lot of pain that day I wanted to try something different to shock my system. So that's the crimes that got me here. As for this program the only thing it has done is make me have to take the oxy more bcuz I can't take anything else. I have to go to AA or NA twice a week and call myself an addict or alcoholic for what idk. I am not even addicted/dependent on the oxy. I can stop without any symptoms at all yet I am labeled an addict. I had to sit in IOP for 12 weeks and listen to them call me an addict. I am now in an aftercare program being called an addict regularly. It certainly could be worse and with all I have learned I have much love and respect for the recovering addict. I do feel they are trying to make me fit their investigation just so they can be right. I did learn a lot about substance abuse and met some amazing people. I have a year narcotic restriction even tho I never diverted and I have plenty narcotics at home. I drug test twice a month to get a positive every time. I can't help but wonder if they are trying to make sure I am taking it. With all the "blanket" type punishments the BON hands out be up they are LAZY and uneducated makes me feel like it's not about recovery at all. It's about money and power and a "show" to put on to make the public think they are protecting them. So with that there are many changes needed:


    Monitoring geared to each nurse individual

    AA/NA being manditory for everyone is not appropriate

    Narcotic restrictions for everyone are not warranted

    IOP is NOT. Required in every situation

    Drug testing on weekends/holidays is unnessary (you can wait a day and still bust people)

    Drug testing while someone is on vacation is not appropriate

    Trying to fit drug testing into a 12 hour day with minimal 24 hour testing sites cause more risk then benefit

    Drug tests being so sensitive you can't even use hand sanitizer. Really. What are you protecting vs what are you spreading

    Positive reinforcement goes much farther then fear, shame and threats

    Stop charging us so damn much while doing everything possible to keep us from working

    Better trained/educated case managers. (When I give you a letter from my Dr on the 15th of the month it's good until the 15th of the next month. Don't call or email at the 1st of each month requesting a letter for the month. I don't see the Dr every two weeks folks

    For non controlled meds like lisinopril I shouldn't need to see my Dr monthly for a note. He is getting sick of it and so am I as well as my insurance. The BON is wanting to make me say to hell with my BP...

    There are so many other things. So many. I think it could be solved if the BON investigators did their jobs and came up with a plan based on the individuals reason for being on monitoring and plan for a successful recovery vs this all to common blanket style punishment they use being lazy.

    Again in I appreciate and respect everyone and their circumstance and have been truly blessed in finding y'all and this site!

  • Jan 12

    With a nod toward my last soapbox appearance on the cost and frequency of drug tests (before i toddle off to the THIRD one in SIX days, and that's with a weekend in there!), this has passed insane in both the cost and the impact on my job. The outlay for this month for this junk, counting the group fee and all, is almost $300. I work days and have a position where, like most nurses, I cannot dance off in the middle of my shift to go pee for this. Heck, i barely have time to go pee for myself. I have no choice but to go first thing in the morning. The issue is that the lab (like all of them) doesn't open until the same time i have to be at work. Trust me, that is obscenely early. So once again, i am late for work. Every couple of weeks, i can do this. Not too big of a deal. But every other blasted day!??? I'm running out of ways to tell my co-workers why I'm late. The "I overslept" is really wearing thin.
    On the "protecting the public thing?" Yeah, whatever......

  • Jan 12

    Oh and if i may add another....the so-called randomness of the drug testing. twice in 48 hours? That makes $165 this month alone. I am not worried about it being anything but negative however, see the above remark about financially (and soul) crushing requirements that solve nothing and in fact simply make a buck (or 20) for someone. I'm glad i am not the sole breadwinner in a family. Sorry kids, we're sitting in the dark this month. I ask again...How is this "protecting the public."?

  • Jan 12

    I am not sure how much more I could add. Everything that has been said thus far really sums it up. From the so-called voluntary nature of these programs (or is it volun-told) to the stipulations that make it nearly impossible to find employment to the permanent scarlet letter that one gets stamped with even after your punishment is up. Then there is the issue of these programs being so very punitive in the guise of supposedly helping the licensee AND the public.
    I can see the purpose in "monitoring" even for those in the mental health arena, but this whole thing in my state and others has gotten way out of hand. Mandating counseling, medication management-fine. Requiring minimal overtime and the like-also good. But mandatory 12 step attendance and drug testing for a person with no history of addiction to anything?
    So far as the "protecting the public" stuff...what about me? I am the public too. I am a healthcare professional that cares deeply for my patients. Putting me out of circulation with the use of lazy, crooked providers who use outdated modalities, unnecessary "treatment," (apparently in deference to the almighty dollar) and financially crushing requirements does nothing to protect me (and in fact worsens my illness, if i let it.) and ergo nothing for my patients. These programs may have started out as an effort to help the impaired professional but have sadly become nothing more than punishment. For those who are grateful for their existence, i commend you for taking this as a wake up call. For the rest of us, the last day of the contract cannot come too soon and I for one will find it very difficult to say that it was of any help at all. The only thing that I will be grateful for is that i will be able to put it behind me and move on with my life, the permanent mark left on my career notwithstanding.

  • Dec 27 '16

    Quote from CryssyD
    If I remember right, here in Virginia the program tests up to 56 times a year--I think the minimum is 47 or so. If you test positive, you can expect the total number, as well as frequency, to go up--way up. I paid over $3500 over 5 years, and that was just the lab fees; the testing site fees were $21-$29 each time.

    And if you couldn't afford them (an easy boat to be in when you aren't allowed to work), they wouldn't change anything, they would just notify the Board you couldn't continue in the program and would kick you out. No completed program, no license. You find the money to test, go to rehab, go to counseling, and go to Caduceus meetings (which charge $50 a month to monitor your attendance)--or you find a new career.

    Super helpful, huh?
    Oh yeah. Way to "advocate for the impaired nurse."

  • Dec 27 '16

    Polygraph? Even the APA is recommends a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to those. Just when I thought those evaluations couldn't possibly rely on junk science anymore than they already do. The idea of an evaluation (if it truly is objective, which most are not) for something like this is not altogether bad, except for the fact that these things are too frequently used to steer people into monitoring programs whether needed or not. I have seen everything from people in programs for mental health issues that have NOTHING to do with addiction, still be forced to undergo and pay for years of expensive drug testing to folks with 20 year old DUIs get dumped into these programs. Many of these things are loaded with massive conflicts of interest (the person doing the evaluation stands to profit handsomely by what they say on the recommendation) and rely on junk science such as ETG testing that has been snuck into practice by the use of loopholes in the FDA approval system.
    It does not surprise me the the junk science of a polygraph would also be employed. Think about it. You are already rattled at the very idea of doing this. Being nervous, not matter how truthful you are being is going to show up. All I can say is certainly don't lie, but be very careful and discerning about what you say and how you say it. These people are not your friends and do not have your best interest in mind.

  • Dec 27 '16

    In two words: lawyer up. We cannot give legal advice here, and you will need someone qualified to represent you. Best of luck.

  • Dec 27 '16

    Forensic Evaluation w/ Polygraph test? What exactly is this? I have never heard of this. Who is doing this? This sounds seriously crazy.

  • Dec 26 '16

    In all the states I've practiced in over the years, the BON rules have always included something about how nurses are obligated to report impaired or otherwise unsafe nurses, and, if you know someone is practicing in violation of the rules and don't report it, you can face discipline yourself if that's found out. I just checked and the PA (where I live now) BON rules say that part of the RN's responsibility is to safeguard clients from "the incompetent, abusive or illegal practice of any individual" and that an RN may not "knowingly aid, abet or assist another person to violate or circumvent a law or Board regulation."

  • Dec 23 '16

    Just my humble opinion...be very careful of the so-called "professionals programs." Too often, there is little difference (other than higher cost and the significantly lower likelihood that your insurance will pay for it) than any other inpatient program. Besides, if you are in need of inpatient treatment, it is YOU that needs the assistance, not your RN. Most peer-type programs will steer you towards these things because someone, somewhere is making serious bank off of people in need of help, who just happen to hold a license of some sort. I have seen a number of programs, that if not for their self-titled "professionals program" would not even be in business. And that my friend is the key word...business. Recovery, sadly, has become a business. There are many qualified nurses that have been run out of the profession simply for lack of money to pay for the treatment for what in non-licensed professions constitutes an illness, but for the licensed ones is a stigma and crime that must be punished.
    **steps down off of soapbox and goes to brush teeth to get the bitter taste out of my mouth......**

    Truthfully, i am no longer that bitter. i am just sad for the people that are being subjected to the same kind of abuse i was.....like I said, only an opinion....

  • Dec 22 '16

    Unfortunately yes, she can disclose that because it is her duty to do so. At least this is true in my state.

  • Dec 11 '16

    I'm so sorry for your loss. You have a powerful way with words and very eloquently stated a lot of what is fundamentally wrong/frustrating with these sorts of programs.

    You are in my thoughts!

  • Dec 2 '16

    1. Payday
    2-10. Lack of knowledge in how to do anything else.

  • Dec 2 '16

    First and foremost, I love having a marketable skill and being paid for it.

    Nursing is amusing. Some days it's a veritable freak show. The people you meet are so varied! People can really open up to their nurses, it's almost like being a priest in the confessional.

    I love the process of building trust with the patients. Then, the peek into their worlds is fascinating.


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