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A wonderful and helpful old thread but still applicable...
>>>>> Nurse-To-Be-Joy said: "I'm not yet in nursing school (will probably start next fall), so I'm curious about this. Are we gonna be half naked with our lab partners? What for??? :imbar"
and Kabin replied: "Yes, in a nutshell. We have hospital gowns that make the transition quicker and less painful. Since you will take turns with your partner doing health assessments like for the skin, you'll need to remove some clothing. You should be able to keep your under wear on."
I am a runner - love it so much. Thinkin' though I could def use a few more sets of mountain-climbers and stomach crunches through this spring and summer !!
Love the helpful suggestions! May I ask: in most of these posts when posters say they are "getting ready to start NS", does it mean in a four year BSN program they are now at their junior year and will be doing Nursing-only coursework and clinicals?
Or do some university/BSN programs intermix nursing coursework after you have completed just a few of the pertinent science pre-reqs so that you actually do some nursing-specific courses before your junior year?
Hmm. I've never heard anyone from any state relay to me that there is a 'personal' objection. There is a considerable difference between "Well it was just their 'personal' decision to not complete the recommended vaccination schedule for little Sarah." or "Research and reflection led one family to decide to delay vaccinations until the age of 4, and then to specifically choose single vaccinations in order to protect their child." (*Which is btw, a parental obligation and expectation.)
I believe it is in most cases entitled, "philosophical (or personal conviction), medical, or religious" descriptions for exemption.
What is very odd to me is how few families actually even know about the ability to get an exemption, and the myriad of complete myths and repulsive insults and comments surrounding the children and families who do make that choice.
The greater good is not black and white. There are substantial justifiable reasons to consider an exemption for some families and/or their children some of which Jolie outlined very clearly in her post.
And, of those two governmental directives -- the one about educating the child, can be attained in an other-than-public-school setting, with quality results. If they choose to have their children be part of the public school districts, then they must adhere to the law. One certainly hopes that the school nurse, and family doctor are examples of those a family would seek advice from.
But, having done that - as long as there are thoughtful ways provided to gain exemption...(*ways I might add which historically involve the 'public' community, legal authority and moral considerations all used in order to sculpt the laws regarding vaccinations), it should be accepted and respected.
I'm highly impressed when I see families who inform themselves, and make deliberate choices individually about and for each of the children in their family. They are not really the families we should be worried about.
Juh_Lee -- you don't know how inspiring your post is - so appreciate you sharing with us!!
You go ahead and work that path YOU made now young lady ;o)!!
Very cool to hear someone say that it isn't hard! Hopefully my amazon.com order will arrive soon so I can actually look at the study guide etc.
Thanks very much Cayenne06.
**Really, really surprised to have read what I have through older threads about this issue.
I've read any published study/research online I can find about the BSN/AN-RN issue; searched through info at the library, read biographies, periodical journals and anecdotally discussed/interviewed nurses with both degrees, from differing grad periods.
While I read that the economy has the most to do with the supposed 'shortage' not really showing up currently; and I do hear info repeated about 'magnet' hospital status preferring BSN's and I understand the value in the other coursework BSN graduates are exposed to -- it seems odd that working nurses do not see the organizational reach for more and more profits against their own individual employed value. Maybe this is a thought which is more often discussed among the nursing force who are part of unions in various individual states. And since those are few and far between thus far, the media and the general percentage of professional nurses who participate in public discourse bring it up less often? Of course many, many professions and industry fields continue to reach for quality through entry and employee progression via educational requisites. That is not new, economic depression or not.
However-- nary a post I've found so far has mentioned that corporate health organization/facility owners might very well be quite excited to have an abundant BSN hiring pool, because of the increase in revenue that represents to the corporations' bottom line.
If in any given time period, you hire more BSN grads, you will have only those who are continuing studies for their MSN's and or higher terminal degrees working for your facility. If you hire a mix or even more AN RN's then you would be faced with more nurses hired who would seek employee-assisted financing for and or work/schedule challenges as many of their rank work toward the BSN, then the MSN and further educational goals.
And if in the mix you can use PR to scramble the media, and the professional RN community to focus on ancillary topics which increases infighting; well, it gives ya lots more operating room to keep doing what you are doing that is making the corporation more money instead of the nurses eh.
*Shakes head and muses.
Post here from time to time about your journey please. Its fun to see your excitement about the equipment etc., I get that 100 percent ;o)!
Naenae - so awesome; grats on your upcoming position!
Thanks very much Soprano Kris!
Hi -- after my informational meeting at the meet-n-greet, we were told by two different staff members, or rather they casually 'suggested' -- take the NLN-PAX early in your pre reqs in case you need to retest etc.
I am really wondering if many take it while doing pre reqs?? Will the school be able to 'see' you took it twice? (*I'd guess yes...if so, how much does that negatively impact your app?) The school I'm most interested in uses a point system, and usually has a small waiting list. Most seem to get into it within a twice applied/two year time frame. Most convenient for me would be to get accepted in the division of the ns program which is provided in our town. Unfortunately - they only offer it here in even years; but at another location every year. THAT one will require an approximate 100-mile commute round trip. I know many others drive farther than that. I will if I have to; but I can have my druthers :spin:!
My initial plan would have been to get most of my pre reqs out of the way (I only need appx a year/or two semesters to do so) and plan to study my booty off and take the NLN-PAX late that last spring semester in order to apply for the upcoming fall NS cohort. I hate the idea of studying for the NLN-PAX while simultaneously putting max attention into keeping my pre req gpa at the highest possible.
Gah. Already I'm not attuned to the multitasking aura of nursing...Humm
Tbh - I've always been quite good at multitasking, time management etc .. or that is what others (employers, co-workers, friends etc) have often told me. (In actuality I feel happiest though when I have the luxury of specialization, time to hyperfocus on a selected area or subject. Ah. That is for another post though!)
Would love to hear info from others about the timing of taking their NLN-PAX or TEAS V or HESI or whichever one they need to. Thanks so much!
Yes Pamleper, agreed...getting into even the prereq courses seems a challenge ;o/
Best wishes for getting lucky and finishing up those classes you still need!
And btw Aflack41 -- sort of derailing this thread a little, but am curious.
Have you been doing Home Health Care for awhile? I will be doing the LNA class in August. That said, I have a chance right now to work for an agency in town that provides homemaking assistant/companion non-healthcare positions. In talking with an LPN I met -- she said she worked as an LNA for about three months while starting into her RN bridge but was crazy beat all the time and starting to feel overwhelmed.
She gave her resignation for the LNA position; had a couple of months off and just concentrated on school but found she really needed to make a little bit of money. So later she applied at a different agency specifically for Home Health Assistant -- she was given two different clients and worked with them three times a week, one for a half of a day twice a week, and the other she went to her house at breakfast for two hours, then returned for three hours in the early evening. She said of course the money was a little less per hour (not much less though) -- but she actually enjoyed it, got to know both of the elderly ladies well and felt like she was much less stressed in her nursing program.
I think that is the plan I am leaning toward. I do want to work as an LNA at some point for the experience it will give me; I know how important that is and that it will help me be more comfortable with patient care etc later. I do not see anything on our state BON that precludes me from being able to work as 'just' a homemaker-assistant once I have my license as a NA, so hope that is not an issue. But I would like to definitely consider this Home Health assistant position now that I have more information to decide about it with.
Sundance - thanks so much for sharing all this; really helps.
I think I've decided only to take any of the non-science pre reqs online. I was interested to see you write that the anatomy part of the TEAS V didn't seem super difficult. I guess obviously it depends on 'which' TEAS V I get to take lol! I am studying math and science stuff and have pretty much only heard that the TEAS V we have to take to get into our program is very hard.
Keeping on, keeping on!
Wild guess...really wild...but are they disposable but the NH is trying to use them longer/more than recommended ie re-use ie save buckaroo's??
I'm sure anyone who has a Nursing license is well aware of the difference between simple disinfecting and actually sterilizing an item.
Morte is absolutely right - if these are exclusive items to the patient, cleaning them if/when needed for that patient is entirely different than enmass supposedly cleaning them and some (perhaps if the names/identifying info is washed or rubbed off somehow) - some of those going back to a different patient -- pfft that is gross. Not surprising, but definitely gross.
I'm sure when you get the tour you will be able to ask questions and/or get the application package for that school. Most have some sort of entrance exam -- TEAS, etc. They will be the best source for you to find out about the specifics. Don't worry - there are lots of ways to 'brush up' so you are feeling confident if you do need to take an entry exam.
This is a serious and exciting decision for you! Make sure you get all the information you need from that school. And have fun!
RCBR - wow, I so appreciate your commentary to the op. Very helpful for all of us.
I have my suspicions that there are a myriad of outstanding LPN's out there - both experience-wise and bedside-manner who choose not to go on with studying for the RN partially because they want to continue being able to do the level of patient care they do as an LPN. While they know there are more specialty and other avenues open to RN's, some do NOT want to deal with the hassle/extraordinary risk of being responsible for other employees - ESPECIALLY in light of the very thing you explained in your post.
Whether it be young grad's attitudes, or an older new grad; the fact is a good many know exactly how to safely undertake turning a patient and/or other tasks such as that. They don't want to be bothered or take shortcuts or push that off on the CNA's etc instead of helping when they easily could. If you are the senior RN responsible for either LPN's, CNA's or even orienting other RN's - your license is on the line for those 'under' you. Everyone who once decided they wanted to become an RN, did not once decide they wanted to be responsible for other employees whom they know do not perform. Teamwork aside -- there are those who are proficient, who have plenty of potential to become RN's, but the run-over-each-other-on-the-way-to-the-err..not 'top' but rather just daily competency, seems littered by those who will not 'help' anyone any more than they are made to.
Same mentality in other professions - yes. But we are talking about our nursing profession.
So, deciding to become an RN can be a difficult decision. In fact - just posts here and anecdotal information from within my family and friends who are in the profession would highly suggest that the additional 'management' responsibilities as well as the further or additional administrative/documentation that an RN has to handle may make some miserable.
I like and respect so many nurses, but feel slightly sad about the difference between what the occupation used to stand for, the differences between what school is like and the actual daily shift one faces after getting out into the 'real' world. Glad there at least at this point, are still many GREAT LPN's who are out there excelling as part of our healthcare workforce.
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