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Very interesting, I find it very questionable that Roseman changed from 1 retake to 6 retakes.. I would definitely talk with someone currently in the program and the next thing is that there is simply NOT enough time to retake an exam 6 times!!! If you merely talked with an "adviser" on the phone, I would not totally believe what they say. Go online and find the current student manual and it will give you all the "fine print" details that will not be explained to you....all the details that you will discover once you are in the program.
The ABSN "is" a 24/7 program and then some. It is unlike any program you have ever experienced before and no matter what you think it will be like, multiply it by 1000 and you might get the real picture. If you review the posts regarding the ABSN program you will understand what it is really like. You will not have time to do anything else except study, go to labs, meet with your group, do online assignments and prepare for lab exams and written exams. Most of the time you will not have enough hours in a day to get through all the material given and you will have to prioritize your time and perfect your own method of studying to get the most benefit from your studying.
We made it through Roseman with lots of blood, sweat and tears and hopefully you will too!
You will find more differences between the ABSN/BSN programs than what shows on the surface. BSN has more time to study for sure, but they also have different standards in what counts as part of their 90% and what doesn't and more time for "re-takes" for exams "failed" at less than 90%.
The ABSN program is definitely for a person who can withstand the daily stress of not knowing if you will be there after each exam no matter how hard you study. Sometimes the "pass" boiled down to how many failed the exam (<90%), how many questions were thrown out and which questions were thrown out. Sometimes it is pure luck on who passed and who failed depending on how the questions were manipulated. This all becomes very clear only when you are in the program and see it up close and personal.
ABSN program you must pass each test with 90% or above. You usually have a midterm and a final. These tests are given mostly on Fridays. If you fail a test, you re-take it on Monday. If you fail to get 90% of above on the retake you are OUT. You are out of the program. You can then either wait for the next cohort to come through and start that module over again with the next cohort, or look for another school. If you choose to come back with another cohort and you fail to pass any test in the future with the new cohort, you are out of the school for good. That's it.
You must pass each lab, paper, etc with 90% and above. Grades are NOT averaged.
Anyone who manages to get through this program can get through anything and the NCLEX is no problem. The clinical skills learned during hospital rotations will depend on what hospital you are assigned, as it will change with each module.
Just make sure to read all the posts and BELIEVE them, they are true.
I graduated ABSN. Passed NCLEX 1st time and have been working acute for the past year and a half.
Hope this helps.
Best Wishes and Good Luck
Don't know how Roseman is breaking everything down for you. Their figures are always crazy and they will be of no help in getting the loans. What they may not be telling you either is that since it is a 14-15 mo program you have to apply twice for student loans. You will have to sign loan docs 2xs to cover your entire program.
However, this also allows for increased amts approved via Stafford and private loans. Most students required money for room and board & other living expenses as well for the entire program. Be sure to shop the different loans, as some will allow you to remove your co-signer after 2-3 years of on-time payments. Others require longer periods of time. Did you try Sallie Mae? A co-signer will give you better interest rates as well. It's a jungle out there for sure!
Sounds like you have it all under control. Best of luck. Keep us posted on your progress through the ABSN program.
I would look into the Ovation Properties (lasvegasliving.com) for the Henderson area. Their properties include all the amenities such as pools, work-out rooms, laundry facilities inside each apartment, clean modern apartments with great central heating and air conditioning. Sometimes they have move-in specials too. They are close to the campus and provide great living and study environments.
You didn't say if you are entering the ABSN program or the regular program. The ABSN program is so intense, I doubt very seriously that an outside job is possible. Plus the schedule changes each block and clinical rotations change as well.
You asked about labs. Labs are done on campus. The labs consist of 1-3 days per week depending on the lab and recording days. During the labs you are with your assigned group that you are with throughout your time at Roseman. You will go through the required procedures etc and practice the procedures. Your tests in lab are actual video recordings of you doing the procedures. You video record each other in your group and then the videos are turned in for the instructors to review and either pass or fail you on those procedures.
If you fail, you have one more chance to re-record on another day and re-submit your video. Like any other exam, these procedures must be passed in order to continue on with the program at Roseman. There are "lab monitors" there at the labs to supposedly walk people through the procedures during practice sessions, but you still will need to know the exact procedure step-by-steps, as the monitors are not always very helpful.
You will also have some group assignments that will require you to meet with your group to complete during each block. Your group will become your "family" during your time at Roseman and you will find study groups a big help, esp when time is very short.
The ABSN program is more intense and stressful than anything you can imagine or anything you've ever experienced in your life..... not exaggerating! You will be so happy that you are NOT commuting because that time wasted on travel is much better spent on studying, practicing and focusing on each block. So my suggestion is to move to Vegas...you will understand it more once you are in the program!
I took all my science books with me. I must admit with all the material we had to cover in such a short time frame, that I used them very little, but they were great to have around for a quick "look up," when needed, in the wee hours of the morning. You will have soooo many books to get through that there is not much time for anything extra. If the material is fresh in your mind, you probably won't use them very often, if at all.
Good luck and let us know how you are doing as you go through Roseman.
I am an alumni of Roseman's ABSN Program . The program did require most of us to obtain Federal and Private Loans (federally insured). If your credit is not so good (and who doesn't have credit challenges in this economy), it may be hard to get a loan unless you have a co-signer. One good thing is that if you can get a co-signer your interest rates will be lower. Depending on the source of Private loans, the loan company will allow the co-signer to be dropped from the loan after 2-3 years of "on-time" payments on your loan. That might help a relative to co-sign without the fear of being stuck on the loan until fully re-paid.
Best of luck!
I did not want to deter you from going to Roseman, I just wanted you to be able to make an informed decision, because when I asked for people to respond to my questions I received very few answers and after some of the members from prior cohorts graduated they finally felt like they were free to give honest responses. By then I was already at Roseman.
I learned a lot through my schooling and clinical rotations. My preceptorship was in IMC and my current job is in ICU, which wold not have been possible if I didn't know what I was doing, however, you definitely have to be a self-starter to go through Roseman's program. I know from experience how awful it is to apply to endless schools in California and not even get an interview and that's the biggest reason I went to Roseman. I am now working and licensed in 3 states. I was able to complete everything and get a great job in about 19 months. BSN and 4.0 gpa (which was well deserved)....
I was working 40+ hours and actually did my interview via the phone and never traveled to the school until I was accepted and went for my orientation. So you might ask for a phone interview if that helps make your decision easier.
Ok, Here is the scoop. I totally understand Cali nursing schools. I applied for over a year and received one interview and was then told to re-apply the following year. That did it! I applied and got into Roseman. Yes, I thought the same thing....I am a good student, I study hard and I get A's mostly. I was concerned, but not worried, that I could get 90% and above. I don't want to destroy dreams or hope I just want to be real so you can make an INFORMED decision.
The 14 month program is no "cake-walk". They make it sound like you will get all the attention and help you need, but that changes the minute you sign your contracts and enter the school. They are very "Pro" administration and their "policies" will change depending on the situation.
The so called "lectures" are all online. I say "lectures" because in a lot of blocks they consist of someone reading the book and then saying stuff like "For more information, read the book!" Oh gee....I never thought about that! They are not actual lectures, like from an actual recorded classroom lecture. Most of the time, I found them less than useful. I had to actually read and study and whenever I found conflicting information (which you will find)....I got conflicting answers from different instructors I consulted. The "instructors" for online are actually more moderators, as you are required to make posts online and they review them, but they do not actually teach the classes, nor do they produce the exams. The school writes the exams, not the "instructors".
You will be assigned a "group" for the duration of your time at Roseman. This group will become your best ally, friend, study partners etc etc. You will depend on your group more than you will ever know when you first enter. You see the 90% is ONLY on your EXAMS! Be that written or the lab tests you take via video recording in the labs with your group. You video tape your lab exams and these are critiqued by instructors. If you fail, you can re-tape again another day. Labs are given by lab monitors to help answer questions and go through "hands-on" procedures you need to learn. Some lab monitors are better than others.
You generally will have a mid-term and a final for each block. The days of your written exams you will take the exam. Then take a short break and come back into your groups and re-take the exam as a group. Later that day you will find out what your individual score was and your group score. If your group passed, you will receive 5% added to your individual score. Which in all reality is about 1-2 points. This can mean the difference between pass or fail many times. If you don't pass the mid-term you will re-take another mid-term exam the day of the final! If you pass the mid-term then, you will take the final right after your mid-term. If you have to re-take a mid-term you will only receive group points if there are enough "re-taking" it to form a group. So you will definitely want to pass every test the first time. It appears that most re-exams were harder than the 1st ones.
If by chance you fail a mid-term or final re-take you are kicked out of school! That's it! If you are kicked out, you have the option of waiting for the next cohort to come through and enter again with the next cohort when that block is given again. If you fail another mid-term or final with the new cohort, it's all over...you cannot go back to Roseman again. Some members who failed did re-enter Roseman in the 18 month program, but most just went someplace else.
Now to address the comments of the 4.0 GPA being "watered down" you do not understand the reality of Roseman. This is NOT your usual 90% where everything is "averaged." It is 90% on each and every exam! No matter if you study 24/7 the exams will have questions that you will scratch your head and say "***!" and some of the answers will elicit the same response! This is NOT your average college experience that you have had before. In fact, this will be NOTHING like any school you have ever gone to before!
Remember, there is safety in numbers! You will always want to be in the biggest number. If the entire class fails an exam, they will throw out enough "bad" questions so that most of the class will pass. If only a few don't pass, don't expect many "bad" questions to be thrown out.
We started with 42 original students and graduated with 19 of our original members. Some very good students failed because they got 89% on an exam....this is no joke. You must be a good "test-taker" and be able to handle the stress of feeling like everyday could be your last one at Roseman no matter how good of a student you are. You will study harder than you ever studied and still feel like you didn't pass almost every exam when you walk out of the exam room.
You will be given so many books and material to get through in such a short time that even the instructors realize you could not possibly get through all the material for every block. Some will even try to council you on what material to study, however, rest assured that what they say will be on an exam probably will NOT be.....so just study they way that is best for you and forget what they say. Sometimes they will issue "study-guides" but these are not always very complete either, so always rely on yourself first and foremost.
My response is not to discourage or deflate your hopes and dreams, it is to let you understand just a little bit about the reality of Roseman. You will be accepted if you have the pre-reqs and proper score on the TEAS. I have never heard of anyone "failing" an interview. Then, it is best to find a great apartment by yourself! Because you don't want to be losing roommates as they fail out of school. This will be your study hall, your school, your life for 14-15 months! You will see your group in labs, group projects and during clinical rotations. You will probably be on the phone with your group members daily as you go through the blocks. You will celebrate the successes of your group and mourn the losses when you lose a group member. Members of my group will be my life-long friends! They will become your family away from home.
There is much much more I could say but until you experience it yourself you will not truly believe this is all true. You will still be surprised to find out that what I say is not exaggerated in any way. You will still think that it can't be that crazy....because that's exactly what I said to myself before I went to Roseman. Once you graduate and look back you will say to yourself "I made it through Roseman and I can make it through anything now!" Just realize that New Grad Cali Nursing jobs are as hard to find as getting into a Cali nursing school. My advise is to network during EVERY clinical rotation you have in Las Vegas. Get to know people on the floor and the charge nurses etc. Build relaltionships and realize you may not be practicing in Cali when you first get out of school.
I turned down an IMC job in Las Vegas thinking I wanted to return to Cali and after 80 job apps in one month and nothing, I applied to other states and landed 3 job offers in Texas: ICU, Critical Care and Intermediate Care......Just food for thought! This is something the school will not teach ... how to land a job once you are out of school. Some of the nurses you work with will be in higher hospital positions by the time you graduate....so make as many friends as possible. It's not always what you know but WHO you know that matters.
It's all scarey, but realize you have to be self-reliant. Lean on your group members but always think for yourself an if you feel you are right, back it up and stand strong.... soemtimes you will be the only one in your group with the correct answer and it can mean the difference between passing or failing an exam.
I wish you the BEST of everything. Hang in there! Make your decision and go for it! Afterall, I was one of the 19 that made it you can tooo!!!!
Hi Sweet Charm...sent you a PM regarding your post
Yes, our pinning was last Friday, the same day as the exit exam.... LOL!
Well, good luck and hang onto your hat....your next 15 months will be quite a ride. Your assigned group members will become a great strength and help in times of stress, your attitude and determination will definitely carry you through the crazy times.... Keep in touch as you go along!
As a 1st cohort graduate of the ABSN program, I did pass my exit exam and NCLEX on first try. I attribute my success to myself because the professors and facilitator's did not teach me, I taught myself.
ABSN is learn on your own!!
My advice to those in the program is to find additional learning tools. There are many additional books that are more too the point and give a clearer idea of disease processes than the books we are assigned. You don't have the time to do assignments, read, review, and learn what you need to pass the test.
Practice how to become a great test taker!!! Do as many practice tests you can find and learn rationales.
Be organized, get all your homework done and assignments out of the way so you focus on passing the test.
Look at each disease process in terms of what would I see if it were happening in front of me (I.E. would they be cool, clammy, pale, etc...) Know top 3-4 Classic (distinct) Signs, symptoms, what the treatment is, labs you would see, meds that are use. Do this for each disease in the study guide.
Don't listen to all the negative...you already know what those are...Just focus on passing each test. Practice taking tests daily...its a way of thinking and it will help you on the questions that catch you off guard. Always figure out what the question is actually asking..is it an assessment or intervention, is it a priority...(priorities questions...is there an ABC answer that applies) DON'T SECOND GUESS YOURSELF!!!
If your are thinking about attending Roseman, just know if you do, you will be living in a constant state of impending doom! You will have no life and you are spending a ton of money to be treated this way. If you are not able to be an independant learner...do not attend this school.
Good luck, I am relieved I made it through this program, but I would not ever recommend this school to anyone I know.
It's October....... what have your heard from Roseman? When does the October cohort begin?
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