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Joined Jul 25, '11 - from 'New England'. mercurysmom is a Disabilities Advocate; Consultant. She has '27' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'Early Intervention, Nsg. Education'. Posts: 156 (71% Liked) Likes: 515

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  • Sep 24

    Sounds like your professor does know how to handle "giggly" nursing students. The group was unprofessional and inappropriate (of course, so were the professors who shared the "joke" with students), and s/he set limits on that.

  • Sep 24

    I guess I'm old school because we were taught in elementary school, unless invited or has developed a professional relationship, one doesn't hang with professors. They are not our peers! It should also have been known that nursing school clinicals (of which SIM lab counts) isn't the time for telling jokes when professors are nearby. Take SIM seriously as if you were in a patient's room. "giggly students..." is this middle school or nursing school?

    I don't find the story funny; only sad if its true.

  • Sep 20

    Great information and advice from PPs.

    Just wanted to add.... The reason why some programs "do not participate" in governmental student aid programs is because they are NOT ELIGIBLE to do so. Participation is limited to schools that meet all accreditation/approval requirements. Shady or unstable schools don't meet requirements. Schools can also lose the right to participate if their loan default rate is too high - since this is a clear sign that former students are not doing very well in the job market, I'd say it is a serious Red Flag, right?

    Basically, if a school does not have any payment options other than self-funding or private loans..... RUN AWAY!

  • Sep 20

    Yeah, I'm probably going to have to take a Speech class at some point, too, for CA BON licensing requirements. The thing is, I was an English teacher for 10 years, and I'VE TAUGHT SPEECH.

  • Sep 20

    Quote from TheAtomicStig_702
    I've been patient with this girl for 5-6 months with maybe 1 email reply about Filipino dessert.

    It was as if I was shutdown or something. Or blown off or ignored. It was rude because I just wanted to say hello. I felt crushed and went back into the room I was in. I then see her walking around with some guy in the library as if they're talking. I don't know who the guy is. So seeing that she couldn't even WAIVE at me hello and that she walked around with a guy as if they were "talking", I sent her friend a tense email with a lot of name calling.

    I didn't send it to her because she was in the program and I was honoring her discipline. Kinda like a sniper not shooting at a combat medic letting the combat medic attend to a wounded soldier. I'm not in nursing school yet so I don't know what it's like, I've only heard rumors. I also sent her a separate email that didn't have name calling.

    I think a month later she sends me an email "Please delete my email". I don't know if she read the email that I sent her friend but I've been waiting for 5-6 months for this girl and not once for one hour could she have ever sent me an email saying "Hey, how's your pre-reqs going?" or "Hey, nursing school is kicking my ass but I'm still trying the best I can. I'm still up for whatever you're up for I haven't forgotten about you." NOTHING.
    She doesn't owe you a thing. You owe yourself some deep introspection. A word of advice - from a man BTW - is you need to get your head on straight and learn how to not be a self-entitled creeper, particularly if you are going to be working around a lot of women.

    If you keep this kind of behavior up, your career is over before it begins. You are engaging in classic sexual harassment and stalking behavior. Sexual harassment will get you fired in a heartbeat. So will stalking. Nobody wants to work around someone like that. This kind of behavior is detrimental to a clinical group in nursing school and detrimental to a nursing unit in a hospital.

    You're not some kind of charming gentleman who is gallantly courting this woman, you're a creep and you probably scare her.

  • Sep 8

    There is no way to tell how healthy your nurse is just by looking at her. An overweight nurse may be very health, able to swim in current for an hour at a time and walk all over Paris on vacation. A thin nurse may be very unhealthy -- a smoker, have eating disorders and unable to walk up a flight of stairs without wheezing. Yet this "no fat nurses" thing comes up again and again.

    Fat shaming is offensive, whether you're doing it from a place of "fat is ugly" or if you're claiming to do it out of concern for the person's health. Do you think for one moment that the overweight person has somehow failed to notice that they are overweight? Patients can be educated about the correlation between obesity and some health conditions, but the nurse KNOWS these things.

    As far as a patient who doesn't want to receive health information from a fat nurse; I guess that's their choice. An ignorant choice, an offensive choice, but definitely their choice to make.

  • Sep 8

    Hopefully, the moderators will soon close this thread. We do not need yet another of these discussions. It's overdone.

  • Sep 8

    If you start your career with a premeditated idea that you will not be respected by experienced nurses, then believe me, you will not be. People usually find what they are looking for whether it is good or bad.

    You really shouldn't worry so much about staff not respecting, worry more about your patients not respecting you.

    Now with that all said, can someone pass me a knife and fork, and don't forget the hot sauce.

  • Sep 5

    Oh, and I hope, OP, that, if you ever do end up teaching nursing, you'll come back here and tell us how you feel then about students who fail an exam and then want to argue about the answers to a few of the questions until they get their grades changed.

  • Sep 5

    Quote from shan409
    AWESOME! Nursing school has stipulations that aren't there for medical degrees. Being a "book smart" nurse will get you no where on the floor. Critical thinking is what makes a nurse, an awesome nurse.
    And not being a "book smart" nurse will also "get you no where on the floor." Nurses haveto know the necessary information, and being informed and knowledgeable ("book smart") is a necessary component of critical thinking. You can't think critically if you don't know what you're thinking about.

  • Sep 5

    "After all that is what separates a BSN degree versus an ADN degree, we are trained to use our critical thinking knowledge and research the best clinical evidenced based practice. "

    I hate to take the wind out of your sails....but:

    1) Don't be so proud of being the bottom grading scale.
    2) I really hope that auto-correct is responsible for replacing the word "baccalaureate" with "bachelorette" (the latter is a tv reality show about unmarried women trying to become engaged).
    3) "After all that is what separates a BSN degree versus an ADN degree, we are trained to use our critical thinking knowledge and research the best clinical evidenced based practice." - Oh, come on!
    4) "However, there is always one that is “most correct”. Those pesky priority questions and select all that apply will always be the death of me. In this particular course there were three exam questions that I knew were reasonably debatable and I was going to find the evidence." - And you want to be a nursing instructor?

  • Sep 5

    "And that’s exactly what I did, as a Bachelorette nursing student we have been taught that the best practice is evidenced based. After all that is what separates a BSN degree versus an ADN degree, we are trained to use our critical thinking knowledge and research the best clinical evidenced based practice."

    A) What the dickens is a "Bachelorette" nursing student??

    B) Do you really believe that nonsense about "critical thinking" being the difference between BSN grads and ADN grads? Do you really think that ADN-prepared RNs are just mindless automatons repeating rote tasks?

  • Sep 5

    Quote from Spidey's mom
    As a school nurse working closely with the school psychologist for K-12, we've seen a large increase in requests from parents to test their student and have an IEP.

    Anecdotally, this seems part of what folks are saying on this thread - that there is a new generation of parents who look for safety nets or excuses for their kids not doing their homework. They want special accommodations instead of sitting down with their kids at home during homework time and making them do their homework. Or reading with them. Or maybe hiring a tutor. Or taking away TV and video games.

    Most of the kids are tested and do not qualify and the parents raise a stink about that.

    This may be a tidal wave coming . ...
    Interesting.

    My son has an IEP because he was diagnosed on the autism spectrum. We have never used that diagnosis as an excuse for poor academic performance or for poor behavior. We've never let him use it as an excuse either. If anything, we push him academically to keep pace with his grade level. He's one of the few in his class who turns in his homework daily and reads every night. He's not quite at his grade level yet, but he's getting there.

    He knows what is expected of him in public settings. He's taught coping skills to learn how to deal with enviromental and emotional stressors, and he uses them whenever he needs to, instead of us leting him act out. Or if he can't control himself, we remove him to a quiet area until he can. And he is disciplined as it is needed.

    He's made tremendous progress since he started, and I do think the IEP contributed a lot to that. Then again, so has what we've done at home.

    It's a shame that people will try to use special ed/IEPs as an excuse to make things easy on themselves and their kids. And they'll be in for quite a shock when they learn the real world isn't always going to be as accomodating.

  • Sep 4

    Quote from SubSippi
    Nursing school tests should be given with a bunch of different dings and beeps going on in the background...and also with a phone ringing. And with someone standing right in front of you saying "Mama says she feels like she can't breathe."
    1. The test should start with all participants clocking in before the time, not one second later and no more than five minutes late.

    2. While the participants are getting instructions, they are interrupted repeatedly to find charts, scattered throughout the site, whereupon they return to find their computer taken, and they have to log in repeatedly (the password must be at least 12 digits long, contain a consonant, a vowel, an uppercase and a lowercase letter, a number, a punctuation symbol, contain no recognizable word or name, and Egyptian hieroglyph, and a math equation).

    2. At three to eight minute intervals, there must be at least one call bell/phone call from another department/code bell/physician yelling furiously, a JCAHO inspector or a pumps and pearls administrator grilling them on the latest Press Gainey results, the 5 for 5 initiative and how fabulous the hospital's program of patient centered care or planetree rollout is. The participant will have to return to a different computer, and login again.

    3. At the one hour mark, the administrator will walk in, tell 1/4th of the participants that they are low censused but oncall for the next four hours to finish the test, if the questions pick up or new questions are brought in. 1/4th of the participants will be sent to a different room to pick up another participant's test, which requires all new passwords, and new and different distractions. The remaining participants in the original room, have to do their test as well as the test of one of the participants that were pulled.

    4. At that point, two of the test computers code, requiring all of the students stop, get it back running and transfer them to a different room, while simultaneously receiving two repaired computers that were "repaired but still do not function and start the test over.

    5. There will be no eating, drinking or using the bathroom during the test. Foleys with leg bags are encouraged.

    6. At various intervals, various artificial odors will be piped in to simulate the nursing environment. regular stool, c.diff stool, GI bleed stool, peanut butter or Dorito emesis, liver failure or drug abuse BO. Add in some stale coffee or diet coke breath. And not to be missed, the odors of delivery pizza, takeout Chinese or Indian food, or the microwave smells of popcorn or heated fish/seafood.

    7. Participants will be required to identify the contents of the a unit refrigerator and the approximate age of the contents. They will be tested of on the expiration dates of opened salsa, queso, butter, cream cheese, various salad dressings, coffee cream and hot sauce.

    8. During the testing at least ten irate family members will call, five for the same patient, none of whom will speak to one another and no one has the "password".

    9. At least once during the test, the wife and the CNA girlfriend of one of the participants will get in a hairpulling fight, knocking five of the test computers out, requiring another log in with the password on a different computer again.

    10. Some participants get busted not using appropriate hand hygiene technique when they log back in and automatically fail. Others will lose points for not remembering to use the scripted responses to "five for five" questions after they login.

    11. And those that were low censused are brought back one hour before the end of the test and required to start and finish the test in the time left or fail.

    12. Everyone will get a required lecture on their poor time management.

  • Sep 4

    Quote from blondy2061h
    When she finds the distraction free environment to work in I'll be interested in joining her.
    Nursing school tests should be given with a bunch of different dings and beeps going on in the background...and also with a phone ringing. And with someone standing right in front of you saying "Mama says she feels like she can't breathe."


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