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Joined Apr 8, '11 - from 'PA'. looking for work is a unemployed. She has '15' year(s) of experience and specializes in 'med/surg/tele/LTC/homecare/correctional/'. Posts: 94 (50% Liked) Likes: 130

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    Roser13, I am not trying to squash anyone, or destroy their optimism. I am just hoping to save one person from the holy hell that has become nursing. I was a second career nurse, coming from the finance industry, where professionalism was always a priority and inherently present in all work environments. I was trained and taught a certain set of basic work ethics whereby common decencey, respect of others, chain of command, doing ones best, being flexible and being kind and working hard, going the extra mile, etc were all great qualities that helped all employees. Not so in nursing. I just wish I had these comment sections to read before I took the leap into nursing many , many years ago. I regret making the switch financially, physically, spiritually and morally. I have been self reflecting from the day I started this profession to this day and have accepted that the nursing field is not cut out for me (and not the other way around). One has to have an ability to be constantly abused , both physically/ financially and emotionally, in a dead end career , where work appreciation is non-existent and hostile environments fester year in and year out, without much needed changes. I see more and more and more people going into to nursing like I did as a second career, to the point that total market saturation is creating dangerous work environments because nurses are completely expendable , easily replaced, slaves for the bottom line. Nursing schools are exacerbating the problem through over-enrollment, fast track/ accelerated degrees, and dumping more and more nurses out into the world, where jobs are becoming more scarce than ever before. At this rate, it wont be long before nursing hits a minimum wage market level, and working conditions only get worse. Take a look at what is hapenning in the hospitals and other institutional types of care. Med errors on the rise, nurses being spread to thin, supllies getting more scarce, elimination of unit secretaries and clerks, elimination of case mangers, transport aides doubling as nurse assistants, paper work/ charting and documentation constantly increasing, higher patient ratios, etc. I could go on and on. Nurses are expected to operate at sheer perfection in very imperfect work environments. One would have to be deaf and blind not to notice how badly this profession is evolving.

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    Quote from Jules A
    I'm doubtful that hospitals have a goal in place to undermine new grads in an effort to get rid of them and start all over again but we can agree to disagree on that. As for floating in my experience for the most part we worked wherever there was a need and it sounded to me the OP had what would have been considered sufficient orientation, apparently that is not a universal opinion. Yep and like I said the night was rough no doubt but I still wouldn't recommend being wound so tight you start sobbing at the mention of an assignment.
    JulesA,

    The nursing profession has one of the highest turnover/ burn out rates when compared to other career choices. In my area alone, there are faciltiies that have a 100% turnover every 6 months, second only to fast food joints. Maybe its just me ...I have experienced this in NJ and PA alike. These hospitals are all the same around here, and based on many of the comments I have seen in here, this is an everywhere problem, not just in my neck of the woods. Nurses get forced out or fired on a regular basis all over the place, thanks only to the fake nursing shortage that caused people to flock to nursing schools in droves. We now have an over saturated market with many more nurses than jobs, and likewise, the hospitals licking their lips as they find the next sucker who will put up with a system that sets them up to fail. I have shed too many tears (maybe not directly on the job, but yes, on my way out the door) to not have a strong opinion on this thread about the way nurses are routinely used and abused like clockwork in hospitals, nursing homes, etc...it is quite frankly disgusting, and the more nurses put up with this treatment, the worse it gets for everyone. I for one have been hammered right out of a job for speaking up, refusing to take the BS, doing what is right, etc. The OP is a product of hospital abuse that never changes because nurses are a dime a dozen. And that is so sad.

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    Quote from roser13
    OP, this poster has been dispensing doom & gloom all afternoon. Please disregard.

    To your feelings of inadequacy: don't you think we ALL felt that way at first?! What helps when you start your very first orientation is to have a mantra: "Today is only my first day. There is no way that I will be responsible for anything more serious than signing my name 2 dozen times in Orientation. I wil survive today."

    As Orientation & Preception proceeds, you will always be able to find something that "won't" be expected of you yet, but you will also likely find yourself more & more eager to take on new responsibilities.
    ummm sorry roser13, but I am a realist, not a cheerleader at a pep rally. I had no access to these internet comment forums when I made the decision to go to nursing school. Wish I had. My decision was made due to the fake propoganda that there was a dire nursing shortage, loads of fake "sign on bonuses" appearing in the classified sections, and the overall feeling that if you were a good person, a smart person and a hard worker you would be able to excel in this field. I was mislead, and now I have a ton of debt that I cannot pay off. I have been made miserable by the profession itself. I have given 200% on every shift I ever worked and got back nothing but aggravation, verticle/horizontal bullying, a lack of even basic respect from co-workers or superiors, and found myself constantly changing jobs because of the hell hole environments that no sane person can tolerate. Sorry its not all rainbows and butterflies. On the upside, I met some truly wonderful people who experienced the same abuse as I did, left their jobs, and then left the entire profession. I keep meeting more and more people who have left nursing behind, have transitioned to lower pay work to save their sanity, and those who stay in it out of sheer fiancial necessity and nothing else. A fellow nurse co-worker told me that she refused to pay for her kid's education if she chose nursing. Another realist. The truth hurts, but it is necessary.

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    Susie2310 and Marisette like this.

    Obviously you have not been in this field long enough to see that it truly is all about money, any way you choose to fry it. I have seen and heard thousands of stories and examples of great nurses getting fired, and stripped of their confidence for no reason whatsoever. I have seen troublemakers and bullies stay in their jobs without any fear of being let go. The reasons for this are simple. A toxic nurse creates a toxic environment, and a toxic environment creates constant revolving doors of nurses quitting or getting fired. A constantly revolving door relieves the employer of giving raises, accruing benefits, accruing FMLA time, worker's comp, and all those other goodies that get in the way of a big fat profit. This profession bleeds people of their sanity on a regular basis, and holds nurses to levels of perfection found only in well programmed robots. Its sad, and its getting worse.

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    FutureDNP2021, JustMe54, and kyfitch like this.

    Hi kyfitch...years ago I was in nursing school and the clinical rotations were basically a huge waste of time. The nurses on the units refused to allow us to do anything meaningful, and we were basically diaper changers, bed bath/ and bed makers, assigned to one or two patients for the six hours that we had to be there. The only real skill we actually learned was taking vital signs. New nurses learn how to be nurses by the experiences they have on the job, not the clinical rotations at school. That being said, I feel sorry for you being a guy in this field. We only had one or two guys in my nursing classes and they were failed out unfairly by bully nurse instructors. I will not lie to you. You have an uphill battle waiting for you because jobs are so hard to find, and most hospitals are either laying off, or only hiring per diems. Its really hard to get your foot in the door, and I only hope that when you get that first job, it is the right place with the right people. I have too often stepped into "frying pan" jobs that were cesspools of harassment and bullying from the start, and did not last long or well. Where are you? Here in PA there are too many nurses, thus the job market really sucks.

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    Hello Johnathan. I have been an RN for many years and have experienced many negatives, such as you have. First, since being a nurse, I worked in hospitals, nursing homes, a jail, rehabs, surgical facilities, a doctors office and homecare. Do not fall for the story they gave you about why you were let go. The real reason is for money, and the desire to constantly have a turnover in staff so no one ever accumulates benefits and time off. The nursing field is over saturated, and there is always someone who will work for less money. Doctors are some of the greediest creatures alive. Its all about their pockets and their bank accounts. They are constantly downsizing and looking to cut corners and save $$$$ without any regard for the employee at all. I have seen this time and again.What really bothers me the most is that instead of just telling the truth and admitting that they are greedy, they tell you a tall tale, ruin your confidence and create drama for no reason at all. At one job, I was working full time, and they were bleeding me of every ounce of energy that I had in my body. Naturally, I was worn down, caught a virus that had me running to the bathroom every 10 minutes, so I had no choice but to use my sick days. When I returned, I was told that I already used up my sick day allottment, and that was considered excessive, because it was only the beginning of the year. While they were crapping all over me and making me feel lazy and worthless, they were simulatanleously hiring two part time LPNs to replace me at a cheaper rate without benefits. Then they let me go. I tried to use my health benefits before they got cancelled, but found out at the doctors office that I was never even enrolled in the healthplan. I had an insurance card because they signed me up, and cancelled the policy the same day, so I would think that I had benefits. As I said before, you will soon learn what greedy bastards exist in the medical field. Never let them shatter your confidence, no matter how hard they try to. It is all based on sheer greed and beefing up their own pockets.

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    Tneo8385, xoemmylouox, DTWriter, and 1 other like this.

    Honestly JulesA? The practice of floating should be completely voluntary for the nurse and never , ever, ever for a brand new nurse, even if she wanted to float. Floating is just another term for a hospital that refuses to properly staff and train and orient nurses...and to be honest, is the main reason why nursing has become so stressful. If a hospital wants to have "floaters" they should hire "floaters" and give them a full week of orientation on each unit they will be floating to. Fact is that this is just another ******** who could care less about its employees or its patients, not unlike most places today. Reading her rant struck a cord in me because it reminded me so vividly how hospitals set up new nurses to fail and burn out, with glee. When they have sucked every drop of blood from this new nurse and she begins to teeter totter on the brink of her own sanity they will can her, or force her out, and start the same process all over again with someone new. Been there, done that. This profession is such a joke.

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    Doumbia, xoemmylouox, and martymoose like this.

    Oh my, I see nothing has changed from the days I used to work in a hospital. I hate to be negative for you, but I see the hospital has no respect for you as a nurse, and likely has a revolving door of nurses. First, the practice of orienting a new nurse on day shift, when they are hired for nights is a bad practice that really has to stop. It is hard enough breaking into the hospital nursing field, without the added stress of screwing up your circadian rythm right from the door. I too had to go through the hell of orienting on a different shift than I was hired for, then adjusting my sleep pattern for my real shift. This is not easily done, and wreaks havoc on anyone, regardless of skill level or years of experience. Second, floating a new nurse anywhere but their assigned unit is a practice that almost all facilities do these days because they refuse to properly staff their floors and units. Thus, new nurses have become everywhere, everytime nurses, to the detriment of themselves and their patients. Third, they already flexed you to stay home...yet another lousy but popular staffing game that is played by all facilities to boost their bottom lines. I can see the work environment is no different now than it was when I started in 2001, and has gotten worse with every single year. I have seen CNAs getting nurses fired, and CNAs so incredibly insubordinate that they should not have jobs. This is intolerable, as is the "floating" and training on opposite shifts, and then on top of it all, being badgered by a charge nurse to boot. This is why I left the field mostly, and only retuned to nursing when I really had absolutely no other choices. This profession is terminally screwed up, because their are so many more nurses than there are jobs, and hospitals can continue to treat us all like slaves for the bottom line. Professionalism is something that has never existed in any hospital or nursing home. The last job I had was through an agency a year ago. They had computerized MARS. My first shift I received no training at all, and had to sweat my way through a unit with 22 patients. I went back the next day to see that I was moved to a different unit, with 22 new faces, to exacerbate the fact that I still had a long way to go before I was clearly functional on the computerized MAR system. I refused the assignment because they could have easily placed me on the same unit, but chose not to. This is inexcusable. When I refused the assignment , the charge nurse threatened to report me to the State Board for job abandonment. I returned home, called my agency, and told them that I refuse to work at this hell hole ever again.

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    I happen to think that giving two weeks notice (while professional and admirable) is a practice that went out the window, and is about as existent now as the curly cord wall phone. In most of my experiences in nursing, when it was time to go, it was time to go. Of course this depends on your individual situation, your reasons for leaving, your time spent at this job, and any type of reference you may want or need from them in the future. More than one time, I tried to do the right thing and give the status quo two week notice, only to find myself then being told not to return. From the employers perspective, once you sever the ties, they want you away from the workplace as fast as a high speed roller coaster. They know that you are leaving because the jobs sucks, and they do not want you around to tempt others to do the same thing. Other times, they are inherently spiteful and evil, and really need the power boost to fire you after you already quit. From my perspective, it may be actually dangerous to hang around two more weeks. Even though nurses are a dime a dozen, and hiring a replacement can be done very quickly, it never ceases to amaze me how vindictive an employer can be, because the nurse leaving is actually firing the employer. When people get fired they are lucky to get a few minutes to gather their things, and then they are perp-walked right out to their cars. Sometimes I think its better to make a clean break and not look back, because even leaving "on good terms" will rarely get you a decent job reference anyway. ...but of course each situation may be different.

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    Hi Jen. Just some advice to you from a friendly observer who also had a career in accounting and switched over to nursing. All I can tell you, is from my own perspective, I made a huge mistake. I too was bamboozled by the fake nursing shortage, which never existed in the first place. I thought nursing would be a way to get me out from behind a desk, and work around people more than paperwork. Nursing has overall been very negative for me. I have student loans that piled up and not paid because I was never able to earn any real and sustainable wages. The entire profession is now per diem with zero perks and benes. It is a dog eat dog career with nurses and other staffers who eat each other alive. It is loads of paperwork that cannot conceivably get done in a shift. You will be spread so thin, that the employer places your license in jeopardy. You will give 200% in any given shift, yet someone will find a reason to complain about something. I really wish I knew what I was getting into before taking the leap into nursing school...again, my regrets are endless and my experiences on the job almost entirely negative, mainly because there is such a surplus of nurses, at this point, that the employer can get away with anything, and always have a fresh stack of 200 applicants waiting on her desk. This surplus has driven down wages, has increased our workloads, has made benefits disappear, and is the source for a hostile work environment at every single turn. Please do not make the same mistake that I made years ago.

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    gcupid and lindarn like this.

    Quote from ProgressiveThinking
    Just wondering what everyone's perspective is on this. The average RN is 45 y/o, and shortages seem to be cyclical. Do you believe that over-saturation of the market with new grad nurses will obliterate the long-term shortage? OR..as the economy continues to show signs of improvement (slowly, but surely..it is), will nurses leave the profession like they did before the economy tanked?

    This article does a good job of putting things into perspective:

    http://www.nursetogether.com/Career/...or-Market.aspx
    I happen to think that the "shortage" was nothing but contrived media propaganda in the late 1990s, which was hyped up by our government, depts of labor and industry, hospitals and nursing homes, physician offices and outpatient facilities, to create an illusion of a job solid, well paying career path. It was so contrived and untrue that we now have a market saturation problem. Evidence, Doctors office in PA needs PT LPN, $12.00 per hour, no benefits.

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    Sehille4774 and CloudySky like this.

    Let me explain something about ASCs...you are at the sole whim of the docs who own the facility and they will not hesitate to cut your hours as their surgery schedule does not meet the demands of 40 hours a week. They do what they want, when they want , which is why they have no privlages at hospitals. I worked at 2 of these, and my hours were erratic and constantly changing...and yes, "techs" have now become the new nurse replacement at minimum wage

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    I have not only seen the "horizontal" violence, but also the "verticle" where a doctor is as rude and nasty as can be, and this is also tolerated

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    I just read the article and left a remark. It was a wonderful article and I am happy to have the opportunity to vent about it. This is such a problem in our profession and we all know that "only the **** survive." I read some of the comments in that article and saw patients complaining that they were bullied by a nurse. It is inconceivable how these nurses remain in their jobs. My opinion is that precepting should be eliminated entirely. When I started out, new grads could work as a GN until they passed the boards. I think that is part of the problem. RNs should be licensed as such before they start to work. Once you are licensed, you should be given your own patient assignment even if it is a small one. You should be able to ask questions to whomever you want, and get help from whomever is willing, without having a formal preceptor. In one job, there was a very nice nurse who was kind and understanding. I requested that I precept with her, because she was a pleasure to deal with. My current preceptor was a *****. I was told "she has too many personal problems" and was stuck with the nasty one. This really has to stop. BTW, I never transitioned from that job, and wound up quitting.

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    Excellent article. I posted a few responses to "nurses eating their young" . It is truly a demon in the profession and repeats itself year after year. I am hopeless when I learn that this happened to me 10 years ago, and is still happening today. If you put 5 nurses in a room with one patient, you will get 5 different assesments. This does not mean that one nurse is wrong and one is right, its just the way things are. In a precepting situation you have 2 licensed nurses with the same patient assignment. The preceptor should be there for questions and guidance, and to share knowledge. It should not be an opportunity to bash, boss and demean a fellow nurse. This seems like common sense, but it doesnt happen this way. Truly devastating.


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