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1. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   No, I never stated that none of you were objective. That is not what was written (I was replying to a specific post, not all, but forgot to use the "quote" button so that the relevant post was shown above what I wrote). You ask about whether peopl...

2. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   It seems you are capable of googling as well, but if you are not aware that evidenced-based medicine or what "goes by" that label, can be used in various ways by those with different agendas or especially, financial concerns, then that would be unfor...

3. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   Clearly, the approach in hospice or palliative care settings is different from "regular" healthcare and I support the specialized branch of medicine known as palliative care, practiced by Dr. Saunders and many others. Certainly, one can increase the...

4. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   You didn't read carefully what I have written. I have never equated hospice and euthanasia. That doesn't meant that the euthanasia movement has not influenced the hospice industry. The history clearly shows that it has and is part of the covert eutha...

5. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   Why hospice agencies would want to end the lives of their patients could have more than one answer: many hospice agencies especially for-profit ones, have been brought up on charges by the U.S. Justice Dept. for taking in absolutely NON-terminal pati...

6. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   If you work in hospice, you would immediately know that the scenario you describe is ridiculous in a home care setting. There are no doctors and other nurses standing around when such a hastened death would occur. Nurses in hospice have comparative...

7. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   "If a nurse really does witness other nurses purposefully sedating an alert and oriented hospice patient, and then administer excessive morphine in order to "kill" them, that nurse better darn well call the police asap." #### Saying that such inciden...

8. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   If no realistic and objective conversation is allowed, and name-calling, which is beneath this forum, is your only response, then you demonstrate the cult-like qualities of those who can't even countenance that any wrong at all is done by hospice or ...

9. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

   ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

   "The Liverpool Care Pathway [in the U.K." was developed to support patients as they near death. But the reality for patients and families has been mixed. The system, which can involve withdrawal of medication, food and fluids, was developed at the R...

10. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    The father of Robin Love was competent and stable in his chronic condition. He was nowhere near a terminal phase and he pleaded not to be sent to hospice. He, being competent, should have had his own wishes honored per patient autonomy principles, ...

11. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    you can't generalize from your agency to all other agencies. The trend is for more and more patients to be enrolled in hospice as this is the most cost-effective utilization of Medicare/Medicaid resources. That is the policy being implemented. Uti...

12. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    Exactly! Hospice is the least regulated of all the healthcare niches, for sure. I know of hospices that once inspected at their initial certification/approval as a State-approved provider, never was inspected again at all for 8 years! Home health a...

13. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    Actually, we have received reports of actual hastened deaths of Alzheimer's patients in hospice, from hospice staff, complaining about the policy of management that took Alzheimer's patients out of Alz units, sent them to hospice and in two weeks the...

14. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    I never stated what you imply. Obviously, Alzheimer's patients have complications that lead to death at the end-stage and everybody knows that, and no, it would be ridiculous to do IV fluids when a patient is truly dying. And no, I don't think they ...

15. Euthanasia. Murder or Mercy?

    ronpanzer replied to erinmckenziejam's topic in General Nursing

    The Washington Post is an internationally respected news organization that doesn't let reporters just print something without vetting it and being sure that there is something there more than just "spin" or misinformation. There are physicians worki...