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I am a nursing student soon to be graduating in less that one month. I know what type of nursing I want to get into- OR!! I have 350 hours experience in the OR doing circulating and scrub nurse tasks.
I have been asking the advice of many people, mostly nurses, if it is advisable that I apply for jobs in the OR directly out of nursing.
This might rough, but many of the "Experienced" nurses feel that I have no chance of getting an OR job out of school, and that I have to start on a general floor "like they did" as one put it.
Many newly graduated nurses from my University have gotten specialty jobs directly out of college, and feel that I can pursue OR right away.
I would like to seek the advice of a few more people....
I am a nursing student doing my preceptorship in the OR. Of my 350 hours working in the OR, the most raunchiest smell I have encountered was the bone glue they use to connect hardware to bone! To breath that stuff in gives me a headache, and I need to leave the room. Unfortunately as a scrub tech or nurse, that is not possible. I will worry about that when the time arises. Another discusting smell is the smell of burnt tissue from the cauterizer. I did get used to that though.
What almost made me faint was nothing that affected my scent glands but my equilibrium (I guess). I was scrubbed in, looking at the TV screen (slave monitor)-the surgeon was doing a laparscopic procedure- I got MASSIVE SEA SICK! Then I saw stars, my body started to tingle-as I was walking out of the room I started to see nothing but black, I was ready to fall but someone caught me.
My advice to you:
1.Always make sure you have a full stomach.
2.Breath through your mouth as much as possible.
3. Do not put that peppermint junk on your nose it only makes it worse!
4. LEAVE if you feel faint-you collegues would rather you do so than fall on the patient!
5. Above all, YOU WILL GET ADJUSTED! It just takes time.....
I can see your point, but I am still very excited to become a nurse. For the past 2 months, I have been doing my senior preceptorship in a local ER. Even in that short a time period, I do see some of the limitations and downfalls of nursing. But, I'm still at the edge of my seat excited! I'm excited to begin my first career (I started college when I was 18, now I'm 22). I haven't been exposed to what you experienced nurses have been, and I have not argued with your opinions. In fact, I feel really lucky to have been able to be part of these discussions, and in a sense, prepare myself for the politics of this new career. One thing really stands out about your last post. What can nurses do to increase our pay? It seems like it will take a huge effort by a very large number of nurses to get the ball rolling. Maybe that's why things haven't changed, because there is a lot standing in our way. But this new "nursing shortage" may be to our financial advantage. Or else it will kill those of us who stay in the profession.
Thanks again for the feedback, it is much appreciated.
We are a group of 4 students in our last 8 weeks of a BSN program. It is really coming down to making some decisions about what direction we want to take our nursing careers. So we want to pose a few questions to all of you experienced nurses. We are all ambitious and want to go for it all...Our biggest interests right now are in acute care and we are all considering going into ICU. Our dilemma is that according to most of our instructors and some of our preceptors going straight into ICU would be a fine idea. We have also been asking a lot of people we work with in this area whether they would suggest starting in Med surg or ICU. The replies have varied. We have found that the nurses who started in Med Surg tended to suggest that MS is the best place to start and those who started in other areas have tended to suggest that we do what interests us most. We would love to hear some of your opinions and it would be great to hear what kinds of things you think we should consider when looking at new grad programs in the ICU and in Med Surg. thanks for your time...We are looking forward to your replies.
Thanks for all your replies. Sounds like new grad programs are better than I thought. A friend of mine, who recently finished a 8 week new grad program in a county hospital, quit work because she did not get much support from the regular staff. Is this a common practice for regular staff members to expect new grads to be experts after completion of new grad program? Thanx.mk
Thanks so much for your response. Just one clarification: when I said, "really how could you put a price on what we do?", I didn't in any way mean it as a statement that undervalues nursing. Quite the opposite really. I just don't know how to put a dollar sign on saving a life, or helping someone after a stroke. That's all I meant.
I am still very interested in hearing other peoples opinions on what you see as some of the most important issues in nursing. Please let me know!!
I have experienced working with both mean and nice doctors. I work in longterm care and some doctors don't give a damn to what the nurse has to say. Some of them will not even return our calls if one of the patients has a change in condition. Now, is this ethical for a doctor to place themselves on call and not return phone calls.? How can I go about this situation next time it happens?It is just stressful discussing patients with these doctors. However, i commend the doctors who show respect to nurses and their profession. SSU leader.
Wow, you sparked quite a response! I am one of four nursing students in this group that we call "SSU leader". We are trying to complete an assignment where we lead a discussion. You seem to be a popular guy, so this may be a good lead.
You say that nursing is pathetic. Just curious, is nursing pathetic or are nurses causing it to be pathetic? I believe that we all contribute to nursings short comings, one of those is we play a victim role. What I mean is that instead of trying to change things, we'd rather ***** about them. (I'm not speaking of anyone in particular, just as a group of professionals, we seem to do this.) I was happy to read your response about what you did to change your course and I'd love to hear more about what you are doing now, specifically on why it makes you happier.
I am sad that you find nursing to be pathetic. Personally, I am so EXCITED to be a nurse! I'm sure that when you were in my shoes, you were excited too, so you probably know where I'm coming from. I'm doing my senior preceptorship in the ER, and I really can't express in words how much I love it. I really feel like I'm in my element. I feel like I've chosen a career that fits me well. Where I live (North of San Francisco, CA) pay is quite good. The range is approximately $22-$28/hour, with benefits. Money isn't a huge issue, but I'll admit it's important. I think that the pay is good (here) but I agree that we are underpaid. Really though, can you put a price on what we do? We nourish bodies and souls. Our work is priceless.
You probably already know this, but I just heard it and I think it's pretty cool. Nurses are the most trusted people in the world. I think that's something we should be proud of.
One more question for Nurse dude and anyone who would like to enrich my education (and help me get this assignment done!!!):
What do you feel are some of the most important issues in nursing, and what can nurses do to change them?
Thanks for your time! It's greatly appreciated!
Amanda, almost a nurse
I don't know how much help I will be, but I'll try! I am actually a nursing student at Sonoma State University and will graduate this May. I'm not sure if you're asking about preceptors for students or for those who are already RN's. If you are talking about preceptors for students, I'd be happy to give you info on how we do it and how we work with the hospitals. Let me know!
Thank you Laurie for your reply! If there is anyone else who has an opinion, it would be greatly appreciated! I began my official job search this weekend ( I even remembered to ask if they had new grad programs--1 out of 3 did!), and I would love to have any information or comments. Who knows, maybe we can change things for the better! Thanks!
Amanda, almost an RN
Even though I haven't been in the nursing work force quite yet, as I am a nursing student soon to be graduating in May, but I do know what it feels like to be manipulated and taken advantage of. I was a waitress for 10 years, and let me tell you that you are mistreated by customers all the time. Some managers that I have come across are not so nice either. At times I did feel abused and mistreated, and I played the victim and whined all the time about how horrible my job was. Poor me, right? WRONG!
I CHOSE to play the victim. I ALLOWED people to mistreat me by showing up to work every day. Why? Because it worked for me. It worked for me because I would come home with a phat wad of cash every night. That was my payoff. The job of a waitress is a love-hate kind of relationship, as is possibly your job, too. You continued to be a nurse because it works for you in some way, otherwise you wouldn't have been a nurse for 18 years. Or maybe it is that you don't have an incentive to change, and would rather COMPLAIN! Seriously, I don't want to sound so harsh. I am just trying to make you understand that no one else is responsible for your experiences except you!
So my advice to you is to STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM, and change what you don't like. Don't complain about it! It will get you nowhere! I learned that.
Get the book- Life Strategies by Dr. Phil McGraw. Your perceptions on life in general will change. Trust me.
In regards to your comment about nursing being no more that a JOB- I do not agree at all! You obviously are not passionate about nursing, or maybe that spark dwindled. Do something you are passionate about. Life is too short to be miserable.
Burpee from Sunny California
I am a student nurse, and your comments about nursing as a career still do not discourage me from becoming a nurse because any comment you made is in regards to money or status. If this is so important to you why did you even go to nursing school to begin with? You should have done your research. I am studying to become a nurse because I want to help others regardless of what I get back, and I know my day will come when I need that same help. I feel that you are the type of person who would not be happy in whatever you do. People like you (and I know many)always have something to complain about, and it is nobodys fault but your own. You create your own experiences, and if you don't like it, change it!
In regards to nursing being at the bottom of the food chain-this is somewhat true, but could be put in nicer terms. Physicians have more responsibility! This is reality. So if you want to go to med school for 10 years be my guest, otherwise you have nothing to complain about.
As far as Physicians, PA's, CRNP's etc. looking down on you- they probably look down on you because of the way you present yourself. Be confident in your job, get educated, respect others for their job, smile, and be proud that you are a nurse!
And in regards to making money- why don't you get a job in the Silicon Valley, and work in tele communications. That is where you will make your money. Then you will be happy, happy, happy! Get out of nursing while you can. You are still young! We need nurses who are there to serve.
Hope you find what you are looking for.
That about sums it up for me... I am a 34 year old guy and live in Pittsburgh Pa. Have been an RN for 10years. I have done the following in nursing: Cardiotharacic ICU, ER,UR, Case Management...
THe problems with nursing I have found:
1) Poor compensation- I have friends that are Registered Plumbers and registered electricians, Certified computer specialists etc. All of them make twice as much $$$ as I do- none of them have a college degree. None of them are exposed to HIV, TB, Hepatitis on a daily basis.
2) You can't really practice nursing on your own even though you are licensed- See above- The plumber, the electrician and the computer guy all work full time jobs and also do business on the side from home and make money... Did you ever practice nursing on the side? its called illegal...
3) Nurses are on the bottom of the food chain...Doctors, PA's, CRNP's, Administrators all look down on nurses- at least here in Pittsburgh they do. Nurses here are just another load on the revenue generated by hospitals...
We are a group of 4 senior BSN students who are curious about your opinions of existing new grad programs. Our general feeling is that there used to be extensive training and orientation for new RN's and that now you're lucky to have that same training. Please respond with comments related to programs you are aware of and any suggestions of what you'd like to see. Thanks so much!
I am a senior nursing student soon to be graduating. I have been doing my homework in regards to nursing salaries. Salaries highly depend on where you live. I was shocked to hear that in Ohio a nurse makes only $16.00 an hour. I am a CNA and make $13.50 an hour, but then again I live in California (Bay Area). Maybe that is why.In Marin County ICU nurses start at $31.00 per hr, and I believe OR nurses start a few dollars short of that. But I guess us Californians aren't so lucky because over half our salaries go to rent!!
Nursing Student of California
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