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  • May 26

    These type of statements strike me as some sort of spiritual ego trip. People will loudly proclaim how much they prayed, then let everyone know how blessed they are by God with all these positive things.

    What about someone who prays and prays for their child with cancer, and the child dies? Are they on the unfavorite list? And, what about those with good fortune, nice houses, good jobs, healthy children, who never pray?

  • May 26

    Sounds like she just doesn't like you enough to give you the schedule you want. It happens, is it fair?, no but it is just the way it goes. This is why a lot of RN's postpone having children (sometimes don't have any at all) and their relationships can be hard to balance (sometimes they end up divorced, or end up being single). It is hard to have a new baby, marriage and work nights. It is a sacrifice...

  • May 26

    The above posts say it well. You will have no success in claiming discrimination. I suggest you keep trying, so I voted "suck it up".

    Been there, done it. Had kids, which slowed my progression in my career in many ways. Day shift positions came and went d/t my parenting circumstances, even though I was clear I wanted to go to days. I found the opportunity, and the timing was right and I took it.

    Really, suck it up, take care of yourself and your baby and realize NO ONE can "have it all" at once. Another opportunity will arise when the timing is better.

  • May 26

    But they don't call it favoritism. They call it rewarding their best performers, and that is the trend business has been taking for a while now. Seniority might be fairer, but I sense it is in decline in this new business climate.
    Do you really want to work this job long-term? Places that hire a lot of new grads are a red-flag warning of something.

  • Feb 17

    It's why I live on an 88ac cattle farm, and commute 7miles to a physician office..for full time employment, even at 68yr age....... When I get too old to sustain employment, or make it to town for groceries, if I can not provide on my self sustaining farm.....guess I just check out

  • Jan 27

    Bay Area/San Francisco, CA, with ample amount of experience, one can start between 110-130K per year without OT. Again, consider the cost of living and "living" in the City.

  • Jan 15

    Good luck, Mandychelle!


  • Nov 7 '16

    I haven't worked as a nurse in two and a half years and probably never will again, but I've still got enough practice hours in the past 5 years to renew my RN license, and I plan to do so. The fee is a little hard to swallow on my low SSDI income, but it's worth doing because I never know if that "right" job---one I can actually handle---will drop into my lap.

  • Nov 7 '16

    What is your job title?
    medical student now/previous np a year ago

    What are your responsibilities at your job?

    running codes, doing h and ps, taking call, ordering testss, etc.

    How do you see your role in the healthcare team that provides care for their patient population?

    as an np- save docs from doing stuff they didnt want to do, but it wasnt that bad. had full autonomy at previous job and pretty good pay taking call for hospital patients and doing admission h and ps

    What made you decide to work in your field?

    clinic is boring. hospital more fun. i like 12 hour shifts

    What was the preparation for you job?
    6 week orientation post np school

    Best part of your job?

    having full autonomy, managing icu patients was pretty fun

    Worst part of your job?

    the patient load was high. made much less than the physicians still

    What advice would you give someone starting out in your field?

    if you can hack it go to med school instead, greater reward in the end. np is still a good role though, at least for now until all the 500000 other np wanna be's graduate and lower our salary to that of rn wages.

    everybody and their mothers sister wants to be an np so yeah will be saturated soon.

  • Oct 26 '16

    Quote from Marisette
    So true. My employers have never felt a nursing shortage, but my RN coworkers and I have. Mandatory overtime, limited vacation and time off coverage have been the norm with my employers.

    I predict a change to a shortage once the new generation refuses to put up with the work environment the boomers have tolerated.

    Exactly!!! I am seeing this already. The new generation of nurses do not put up with any shenanigans. They want life/work balance and if they feel that they are just a commodity that gets "used" they are gone.
    I am glad that the baby boomers are in the process of retiring. Don't get me wrong - great nurses - but because they put up with almost everything and anything they also enable administration /nurse managers to not change anything and just continue to short staff and promote work environments that are not that great.

  • Oct 26 '16

    Personally as an "old" Gen-x'er I am always keeping an eye out for a better opportunity. I have the Boomer values of hard work, loyalty and only calling out sick when dead. But I have begun to see how little all that is appreciated by some employers. They want a warm body, that's it. And pay raises are ridiculously low, if at all. I began to open my eyes and see that I, alone, will be the one to take care of me. My employer has does not have my back. I have to. Praise for a job well-done is not forthcoming. I have to pat myself on the back for doing a good job and being a nurse who strives for excellence.

    Some employers actually forbid, in writing, discussing pay and compensation among coworkers. I see that as a way to keep their staff "under control" and not to rock the boat when they see a brand-spanking-new graduate making a couple dollars less an hour than those with 20, 30 or more years' experience make.

    Forcing nurses who have 30 or more years' experience to go back to school to earn a BSN or MSN makes them want to quit. After all, who in their right mind, would take on 10s of thousands of dollars of debt to advance their education, yet still make no more than the ADN working by his or her side---especially when retirement is looming? I think it's a clever plan to get rid of outspoken seasoned nurses, and replace them all with what (they hope) are malleable new graduates.

    Ah, but "they" did not count on the new generation being smarter than that, and seeing that it pays for them to job-hop or go for that NP or CRNA ASAP cause that is where the money and opportunity for advancement are. So hospitals are increasingly and chronically poorly-staffed with a continuing flow of new grads who have zero intention of sticking around, putting up the with the insanity floor nursing has become. The oldies are gone, and patients suffer. This is where I see the "shortage" exists, not of sheer volume of nurses, but the right skills and experience mix to keep patients safe and units running smoothly.

    It's quite a dilemma, really. What you get is a unit with nurses with less than 2 years' experience, running the show, not knowing WHAT they do not KNOW.

    So, I am adopting the Millennial attitude, "do what is best for me, because no one else will". I am no longer settling, staying for years upon years in one place, only to be worked to the bone for little reward and zero appreciation-----that is no longer on my radar. Seeing myself into retirement, happy, content and reasonably well-compensated, is. I am no longer afraid to move on if things are unsatisfactory. An unhappy, burned-out nurse helps no one: not her patients, not management, and certainly, not herself. I can't continue to fill others' cups when they are in need, if mine is empty. I also have to consider my wellbeing, happiness and attitude directly affect my family and if I am unhappy, it isn't good for the spouse, kids or grandkids.

    Anyhow the point of that little diatribe is, while there may or not be a shortage as most perceive it, I have to do what is right for me in the end. You see, it's never too late for an old Boomer or Gen-X'er to learn from the Millennials, after all.

  • Oct 26 '16

    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Some employers actually forbid, in writing, discussing pay and compensation among coworkers.
    Which is an illegal policy and should be politely challenged, when possible. Although in a right-to-work state, that's not going to matter much, they'll just find another reason to fire you if you stir the pot too much.

    Seems to me that the strongest pressures for higher wages are unionization and strong state labor laws. Don't forget to research candidates and vote on Nov. 8, everyone!

  • Oct 26 '16

    Meh. I am in a large city in the midwest. There are definitely MANY more new grad jobs out there then when I graduated at the end of the recession. It's really not the 100 applications for one spot atmosphere I job hunted in. It's still conservative flyover country but my city isn't exactly Grand Forks, ND either.

    As has been mentioned previously, nurse retention is the bigger issue. We have spots because we can't keep our new grads beyond a year or two. This poses its own set of problems but I feel like the general advice that you will need to move to BF, Nowhere in order to get a new grad job that isn't nights on the worst MS unit in the city is a bit outdated for the large chunks of the country in between the coasts.

  • Oct 12 '16

    We genuinely worry and care about our patients that it often consumes us. When a patient codes or expires, we are crushed. I once had a patient who got stuck at least 15 times by various staff members, including physicians, to get IV access. The patient took those sticks like a champ, but I still went home and boo-hooed because I hated to see him go through that. We hurt when our patients hurt.
    To me, this is the root cause of your issues.

    Personally, I do not worry about my patients. I assess them and intervene as I'm able. After that, I accept that things will run their course and I do not fret about it.

    When a patient dies, I generally remains dispassionately detached from the occurrence. I have had a couple of experiences with children that have made me sad and for which I've shed some tears but even then, I keep it at an arm's length... and I am never 'crushed' because I don't let myself care too much about it... because... this is my *job* and my job is to provide nursing care, not to become emotionally connected to what's happening. Sometimes I do begin to care more than I should and I actively nip it in the bud.

    And I certainly do not hurt when my patients hurt, even when we must poke them time and again, or when urology struggles to place a catheter, or difficult intubations, or chest tube insertions, or all the other invasive and painful things that we do to patients in order to treat them.

    I always recognize my role and that is of the professional nurse who is being paid to provide a service, one which I take very seriously and strive to perform at the highest level. My heart is my own and is reserved for my personal life.

    I would encourage you to seek counseling in an effort to learn to separate yourself from your work.

    Nursing is not a calling nor a mission; nursing is a job... and one which will chew you up if you get too close to it.

    Professional detachment...

  • Nov 9 '15

    Here's how it went down when I was a suicidal patient exactly one year ago.

    I had a plan, the only question in my mind was which way to go---the pills or the gun. I called my psychiatrist only because I was scared, and of course he told me to go to the ER. When I got there they were waiting for me, and they put me in the safe room with my husband by my side. I was asked to get into a gown but they didn't object to my keeping my pants on underneath, although I was patted down, wanded, and my things gone through before hubby was allowed to hold them for me. The attending psychiatrist came in to see me, and made the decision to admit me to the psychiatric facility in the next town over. In the meantime there was a security guard at the nurses station to watch me and the staff checked in frequently as well.

    After about six hours in the safe room, secure transport arrived and I was taken to the facility. I was NOT restrained, although it felt like it because I was in the back of what had once been a police cruiser, with the cage and the doors that don't unlock from the inside. That was the worst part of the experience, but the transport team was very nice and talked me down when I nearly panicked (I am really claustrophobic). Basically, I was treated with dignity throughout the entire day, and I think knowing that the staff wasn't judging me or trying to make me feel like crap kept me calm. I was in a very dark place at that time and if someone had put restraints on me or locked me in a cold room, I'd probably have bolted the instant I had a chance, and gone home and committed suicide.

    I hope everything turned out all right for the patient in the OP. The road to recovery from an episode like that is a long one, and sometimes people don't make it back.