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  • Jul 27

    I remember Hillary saying this in the 90's it was on some local TV. Her father was in the hospital and she was something about nurses aren't educated like doctors and lawyers and shouldn't expect to be paid so much (paraphrase) cause its been over 20 years.
    I know the hospitals were trying all types of ******** to cut cost. I worked night shift and we had no janitorial service. I had to clean up a room after my patient had projectile direhha. It was all over him and the other patient in he room. THe all the ceiling. It was hell. I never even charted druing my 12 hours. I usually had to stay after shift to do all the dang paperwork. We ran our asses off and she said that sh*t. It still pisses me off now. Then when she was running against Obama in 08. She shadow some nurse trying to backtrack her attidude toward nursing.
    I had to do this along with taking care of my other 9 patietns. It was crazy ass time in nursing.

    I can tell you we all HATED HILLARY and Hated the idea of Hillary Care.

    She IS AND WAS the OLD feminist. She believe women that did traditional rows of caregiver, sham, teacher and nurses where not worth a crap.

  • Jul 27

    Quote from nursej22
    I really have trouble believing that Secretary Clinton really said such a thing. And now 23 years later, after having family members pass away, her husband undergoing open heart surgery, and the head injury she herself suffered, I doubt she would say such a thing today.

    And TheCommuter is correct, it is all about money in this country. Its how we assign worth in this country and decide whether someone deserves anything. Are you a millionaire, then surely you deserve a tax cut. Are you homeless, then you are a leech.
    You have a hard time believing that Clinton believes what the majority of the country believes? Think of the first 3 or 4 nurses in TV media that come to mind...are they closer to your vision of what a nurse is or closer to Clinton's vision?

  • Jul 27

    You are correct that anyone can have a change of heart 20+ years later. However, I was mainly answering the initial posted question about whether or not she actually said such a thing. (By the way, she made these comments after her father was critically ill and in the hospital for an extended period of time.) My wish at the time, and still is, that she should be just as concerned about her profession as she is mine. Tort reform is much needed in our country and would help significantly in decreasing the cost of healthcare. I would respect her more if she took care of the "elephant" in her own backyard. But since we have a lot of lawyers running our country, it will probably not ever happen.

  • Jul 27

    I came too late to add input to the question of Hillary Clinton's remarks regarding nurses. I will agree with the voice of the Capt. Some of us are old enough to remember what many in the media choose to forget. (Believe it or not, not everything is documented online). Shortly after Bill Clinton was elected President, Hillary did indeed say that nurses were overpaid and were nothing but doctor's handmaidens. Many of us were appalled. What was even more amazing is that she totally disrespected her mother-in-law with that statement (Bill's mother was a nurse). The argument that the ANA would not support someone who had made that statement is also false. At the time of the statement, I was an active member of the ANA. Within a year of Hillary's statement, the ANA asked Hillary to be the keynote speaker at their convention. I dropped my membership and have never rejoined. I could not tolerate an organization who embraced someone who did not respect our profession. It seemed more important to the ANA to have the First Lady as a keynote speaker than to stand up for all nurses. That is when I realized, it is all about the money.

  • Jul 26

    Quote from macawake
    Yes... What's your point?

    Does naming a post a vent automatically mean that no one may ask for clarification or challenge the contents of said post?
    yes_basically...it_is_tradition_here_at_AN_,that_o ther_posters_DO_NOT_stomp_on_a_vent.

  • Jul 26

    I can understand your frustration... There will be times where we get those patients that no matter what we do... If it isn't what they want they will not be happy, and be sure to complain about it.

    i think medicine in general has gone too far into the "customer service" industry than sanely necessary. Patients should not be calling the shots on what is being ordered for them and done for them at the extent it is! Physicians being bullied into unnecessary tests or writing scripts they aren't comfortable with for the sake of not having a "customer is always right" lashing from management..

    Basing so much off of satisfaction scores, and even recently reimbursements by satisfaction?! You didn't die how about that for satisfaction? (Sorry for the sass). In cases like this all you can do is document as completely as possible, keep it moving, and try not to take the "what you could have should have done" criticisms drive you further down. Deep breaths and recharge, we can ALL learn from one another even if it's sometimes not what we want to hear in the moment.

  • Jul 26

    Many patients do want narcotics whether they need them or not. Many need them and do not get them.For nurses that can not prescribe we assess and then report to providers and hope that those with acute and chronic pain get what they need. It sounds like you did assess and report and the provider did not believe the patient needed narcotics.

  • Jul 26

    OP FWIW I sensed that your post was a vent before you declared it so. Have to agree with everything you have related. Recently was reminded the hard way that when the pt says they want what they want and they want it hours before making their demands, That Nurse better jump to it and hope that the pt does not go into respiratory or cardiac arrest before the shift is over. That Nurse will be wrong if s/he does, and wrong if s/he does not.

  • Jul 26

    Quote from EaglesWings21
    I assessed her to the fullest. Her pain she described seemed chronic. She was not on meds at home. She was not hospitalized for any reason for the pain. I presented her case factually to the physician three times and charge called as well. At least four interventions were presented to her to treat the pain that were not narcotics to which she refused them all. And by the way, most of the shift when I went into her room she was sleeping. She also threatened to leave AMA if narcotics were not given to her and only stayed when I told her insurance would not cover her stay if she left. So no, I don't feel like I undertreated her pain and feel I do my best to provide pain relief for my patients.
    Unclear if she was drug seeking or attention seeking.
    As long as you documented everything.. YOU will be fine.
    In the future , let them leave AMA. Don't play the insurance card... insurance still pays.

  • Jul 26

    Well it was more of me saying I did everything in my power to relate the concerns of the patients as well as my assessment to the doctor and that after four pages the doctor still did not feel the situation warranted an order for narcotics.

    What at I mean about this is a vent is that I am not looking for someone to dwelve so deep into the topic that you are having me answer questions I already assessed and know the answer to. Whoever posted that this is an Internet forum is correct, people can post whatever they want. Including myself. I came here to vent because I figured it is a good way to let out my frustrations at work but maybe I need to reflect in a real life perspective rather than on an anonymous forum where everyone is right in their own mind. Thanks for the thoughts and considerations.

    I have learned a lot from this site, including that many people become completely different on the internet than they are in person. This thead is probably going nowhere fast so I am out ✌️.

  • Jul 26

    Quote from EaglesWings21
    I also want to add that this is a vent. I am not looking for all the possibilities of what I could have possibly done right or wrong. I have just had a rough week or so at work and am venting. That is all.
    eagle,have_one_on_the_mods_edit_(vent)into_your_he ading...

  • Jul 26

    I also want to add that this is a vent. I am not looking for all the possibilities of what I could have possibly done right or wrong. I have just had a rough week or so at work and am venting. That is all.

  • Jul 26

    Quote from EaglesWings21
    Yesterday, I was that nurse. That nurse that your patient will one day complain to you about. That nurse who wouldn't give her pain meds even though she "really needed them." That nurse that was an example of everything that a good nurse isn't.

    Well, that nurse heard the patient say things like "I want pain meds so I can sleep" and also "You must not care about me because you won't give me pain meds." That nurse also paged the doctor and related all these things to her as well as the patient's repeated requests for narcotics. That nurse offered alternative pain relief measures all of which the patient refused.
    Well, was the patient experiencing pain that made it difficult to go to sleep?
    If you think not, what did you base that belief on? What type of pain did the patient say that they had? Acute or chronic? Where? Severity? Were they regularly taking any narcotic pain medications prior to being hospitalized? What were they hospitalized for? Do you think that the alternative pain relief measures you offered would have been effective in treating the patient's pain? How did you present the patient's case when you talked to the physician? How did s/he respond? What meds, if any, did s/he order?

    I have no idea if you were "that" nurse/a "horrible" nurse, but from what little information you've provided it is possible that you undertreated pain.

    Next time you hear a patient complain about "that horrible nurse", believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
    I seldom believe everything I hear, especially if I'm only getting one side of the story. I do however tend to trust what I witness with my own two eyes, I just keep in mind that I might not be aware of events that led up to/preceded what I'm now seeing, meaning that I could be missing pertinent facts.

  • Jul 26

    Yesterday, I was that nurse. That nurse that your patient will one day complain to you about. That nurse who wouldn't give her pain meds even though she "really needed them." That nurse that was an example of everything that a good nurse isn't.

    Well, that nurse heard the patient say things like "I want pain meds so I can sleep" and also "You must not care about me because you won't give me pain meds." That nurse also paged the doctor and related all these things to her as well as the patient's repeated requests for narcotics. That nurse offered alternative pain relief measures all of which the patient refused.

    Next time you hear a patient complain about "that horrible nurse", believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

  • Jul 25

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