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  • Jun 24

    Quote from maxthecat
    I understand what you're saying, but sometimes families DO know better than the nurse. As a nurse, I have learned a lot from a few families over the years, especially when dealing with someone who has one of the less common maladies. I don't have the time or energy to keep up with every advance in medicine, but some family members have researched their loved one's condition impeccably. They also know what has worked and what has not worked in the past. Of course they're not usually professional researchers and of course their suggestions need to be run past the medical team first. But don't count them out--you might learn something.
    That is not the scenario laid out in the cartoon. You're describing a family member who is intimately involved in the patient's care and knowledgeable from what is often years of caregiving. Not someone who just googled a bunch of symptoms and slapped on a diagnosis based on what the all-knowing Google spit out.

  • Jun 23

    You're dating someone who thinks your profession and your work is inferior? No wonder you have an inferiority complex, in addition to your own opinion of yourself and your future career ("I am but a lowly student murse").

    What's your beef with your chosen profession? You make a point of talking about being a male nurse as if there's more expected of you because you're a guy. Is it really your girlfriend who looks down on you, or are you projecting your own insecurities?

    I also dated a doc back in my single days. He had nothing but respect for my profession and the intelligent men and women who work with him in the trenches on a daily basis. I never heard a disparaging word--nothing about how I wasn't smart enough to get into med school (I never wanted to be a doc, thanks) or how nursing was a fallback for the less intelligent. You're a student nurse. You know how competitive it is to get into nursing right now. It is not for the weak willed or the weak minded.

    Nursing and medicine must work hand in hand (no pun intended). Any other combination is detrimental to the patient. Smart nurses and physicians know this, embrace the differences in practice and agree to work together.

  • Jun 1

    How long does your classmate really think he can get by fooling his nursing instructors and clinical preceptors into thinking he's a flight paramedic if he actually isn't? Do you realize how fast this guy's going to sink?

    OP, he's made his own noose, found his own millstone and has thrown that millstone into the sea. No need to strangle him. He's going to drown anyway.

  • Apr 24


    You are not alone.

    Please re-read that first sentence as much as you need to before continuing.

    You are a new nurse. It is normal to feel overwhelmed as a new nurse on a general med-surg floor. Specialties are a whole different can of worms! I was a new grad in oncology once, too, and I kid you not, I felt like I knew nothing for about the first year. The difference is--I expected that. I accepted it. I decided, OK, I know very little. So I made good friends with the experienced nurses on my ward. I talked to the docs, to my patients, and to anyone who would give me the time of day.

    Your knowledge of nursing in general grows exponentially your first year working on your own. You have the unique challenge of trying to hone your basic nursing skills as well as your specialized oncology skills. The best advice I can give you is to hone your basic nursing skills first. Listen to your gut. If you're worried, ask an experienced nurse. Ask your charge nurse. The nice thing about floor nursing is you're never alone! If you feel that you are, you're probably working in a toxic environment that isn't safe for your license. That's an issue all its own!

    Oncology can be, by its very nature, a depressing field. My unit also struggled with depression, especially when patient deaths were frequent and the winter months dragged on. Do you have hobbies? Do you have friends or family that you hang out with after work? Do not lose your social life and that integral part of "you" to "nurse you". Learn early that your professional life and your personal life need to be separate. That doesn't mean that you can't have friends on your ward if you so choose, but you need to go home and think about something other than work after hours/on days off.

    Please visit this section of AN: Oncology Nursing This is where the oncology nurses hang out. There are a lot of great people who have had conversations very much like the one you've started here.

    Specifically, this thread strongly resembles your post: Again, there is great advice in this thread. Please read it over and if you feel you are truly that depressed, take up your unit on the therapy! There is no shame in admitting that you need a helping hand to pull you out of the blues.

    In summation:
    1. Accept the fact that you're new and you don't know everything. Anticipate that this will be the case for about a year.
    2. Plan out how you will handle situations where you don't know something. Have coworkers and colleagues that you can go to for support. Practice saying "I don't know, but I'll find out and tell you in ____ minutes/hours/etc". That phrase works on docs, patients, and other nurses, too.
    3. Analyze your personal life. Are you getting enough sleep? Are you eating well? Are you exercising? Are you maintaining social relationships and friendships? Any one of these areas can contribute to the strain inherent in working oncology. If you need help, talk to a therapist or your PCM if you're not sure you can fix them on your own.

    Chin up, OP! Please feel free to PM me if you'd like.

  • Apr 8

    Quote from Jenni811
    And I KNOW her life experience. She had me very young so in the 24 years I've been alive not much more had happened than when she was my age.
    You know some of what your mother has experienced, but you really can't know what someone else has experienced in their life unless you've lived it yourself. Especially considering you were a child and children have a very limited ability to understand adult concepts.

    Even if you were to dismiss the above and claim to be almost impossibly mature for your age when you were a kid, some people --the quietest, most unassuming of us all-- have experienced more life in the calm-appearing length of their existence than folks who have the craziest stories.

    It isn't always the person who has written the tell-all book that has the most intense stories to tell. Often, it's the opposite.

  • Apr 8

    Quote from Jenni811
    But you don't make the decisions. New grads will go with any change. That's what hospitals want...its a business! Its the way it goes.
    If new grads will really go for ANY change, then this profession is in more trouble than I thought.

    Really? You're going to lecture experienced RNs on "how hospitals work" and the ins and outs of business? You deserve the storm that's coming to you.

  • Apr 8

    To follow up to your story and springboard off my previous post, I had a patient a few months back who was admitted for an elective IOL at 39 weeks. She was a G1P0 and had a borderline favorable cervix, but overall, I felt it was probably best to wait, especially because her Bishop score was close to favorable, but it was definitely not good enough to indicate induction under our new policy. My charge checked her and fudged the numbers a bit, I think because she didn't feel like going toe to toe with the doc that morning.

    After my charge nurse left, I did exactly what you did. I advocated for my patient. I told her that if she kept her water intact, she could opt out of the induction at any time. I told her she could refuse an AROM and to make sure she stated to the doc that she didn't want to be AROM'd with a nurse witness present.

    Anyway, I left for the day and came back that night just as they were taking this patient back for a stat C-section for fetal distress and failure to descend. Apparently, baby had been having lates all day. They AROM'd mom when she was 2 cm and ballotable.

    As the icing on the cake, the doc had the gall to be in a huff and all pissed off that she had to section this lady because it was the doc's husband's birthday, and she was supposed to be eating out with him that night. Nevermind that this poor lady just had an unnecessary c/s because her doctor is a selfish, sad excuse for a human being. Nope, she was all mad because of the missed birthday dinner.

    OK, then don't set up an unfavorable G1P0 for an elective induction the morning of your husband's birthday and expect to be footloose and fancy-free that evening, you moron!


  • Apr 8

    It's really not that unbelievable. Hospitals hire based on their needs, and if they need an experienced L&D nurse, they will often wait it out until they find one instead of trying to leverage time and resources they don't have to train a new one. I agree with Rose Queen--start looking in other places for a job in L&D.

  • Mar 29

    This is a reality in any workforce, nursing or otherwise. Welcome to the adult world. However, the poor attitudes of some nurses don't diminish the overall excellence of the profession.

    I'd suggest you use the term "some" instead of "we", at least until you're a nurse versus a soon-to-be student. You really can't speak on behalf of a profession you've never joined, no matter how much CNA/MA/EMT/etc experience you might claim. And also because I and many other members surely don't want you speaking for us in your generalizations.


  • Mar 26

    If asked the dreaded question -- "We have several other more experienced applicants that have already applied to this position. Why should we hire you?" -- I'd answer something like this:

    "While I have no doubt that there are more qualified applicants to this position, if you hire me, you're hiring someone who is very interested in not only this job, but in learning about this new field of nursing. I have no previous oncology experience, so this facility has the opportunity to train me to do things right without having to be concerned about old policies or previous bad habits getting in the way."

    Emphasize your inexperience with oncology as a plus. There's going to be a lot to learn. Let them know you're up for the challenge and that your inexperience might actually be of benefit to them!

  • Mar 23

    Quote from CloudySue
    Oh, I dunno... I would have liked avoiding all that work in nursing school and dealing w all those bizzarro instructors! ;D
    I won't pretend I enjoyed it, but if it means autonomy, I'd do it again!

  • Mar 19

    Good luck to you! There are significant differences between your skills as a doula and the ones you'll learn as a nurse, though I think your experience in labor support will give you an edge when it comes to getting a job and becoming comfortable in L&D. Keep in mind that there are all kinds of work environments out there in OB. Be wary of where you're hired and don't be afraid to ask questions. Make sure the birth practices and policies in place at prospective places of employment fit with modern evidence and best practice!

  • Mar 19

    Quote from CloudySue
    Oh, I dunno... I would have liked avoiding all that work in nursing school and dealing w all those bizzarro instructors! ;D
    I won't pretend I enjoyed it, but if it means autonomy, I'd do it again!

  • Mar 19

    Quote from BrandonLPN
    Once upon a time all one needed to be a practical nurse was a certificate from a doctor stating that he deems you capable in providing competent bedside care.

    All I have to say is thank goodness it's 2012 and not 1936!

  • Mar 2