Latest Comments by tntrn

Latest Comments by tntrn

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I am happily retired after 35 years of Labor and Delivery nursing. My passions now are two wonderful grandchildren, quilting on my HQ 16, sewing, and going where life takes me with my husband of 28 years. I am primarily conservative with moderate views on a couple social issues.

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    herring_RN likes this.

    Quote from PMFB-RN
    I have never had to prove citizenship for anything related to voting. Until recently I have never had to do more than give my name and address at the polling place.
    My wife has a federal ID identifying her as the dependent of a disabled veteran. This will get her onto most any military base as she is eligible to shop at the PX and commissary. She also has an ID issued by the state of Wisconsin IDing her as a social worker, who in certain limited circumstances, can order children removed from their home and into protective custody. She has a social security card and a drivers license issued by the state of Wisconsin.
    Because she is a pretty, petite, blue eyed redhead who speaks English without an accent nobody has ever questioned her citizenship. She does have to show her "Green Card" (actually pink) proving that she is a legal permanent US resident and eligible to legally work when she takes a job, but so far only when applying for a job with local government has she been asked this. None of her private employers have ever asked.

    Wow. It's been so long since I registered to vote, I don't actually remember what I had to do. But I would say, after reading your post, that the system is quite flawed and needs to updated.

    I absolutely believe that proving one's citizenship is a must for registering to vote, but there needs to be alternate ways to accomplish for those who do have birth certificates or whatever.

    Showing ID at a polling place should also be required, even though I get the small town thing where anybody trying to vote as someone else would be instantly stopped on visual ID alone. In large areas, pull out the ID, please.

    I am happy your wife has the integrity she has.....not voting even though she might be to get away with it.

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    herring_RN likes this.

    Quote from PMFB-RN
    If we were to move to a different area my wife could present ID and illegally vote in any state that has voter ID. She can't do that where we live now. Know why? Because we live in a very rural area. When we go to the town hall to vote our election officials are two elderly ladies. Mrs, Nehrbass, who used to babysit our children, and Mrs. Westfall, whose grandson is one of my boyscouts know that my wife isn't a citizen. I have also has relitives of both ladies as patients. When you live 5 miles outside a town of 800 people and you are from New Zealand you are a minor celebrity. Also the only non US citizen many local people have ever met.
    Wisconsin has voter ID, I could tell that Mrs. Nehrbass was embarrassed to ask me for my ID even though she has been in my house, changed my babies diapers, cashed my checks, and cooked in my kitchen.

    Is there not a process by one registers to vote and gets on the voter database and list for your precinct? That should require proof of citizen ship, then other ID at the polls....imho

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    Quote from PMFB-RN
    Speaking of voting as reward. It has never seemed fair to me that women get to vote for doing absolutely nothing, except having lived passed their 18th birthday, while men must register with selective service to get to vote. At least in theory sign up to possibly put their lives on the line fighting in a foreign war. Ladies get that one for free
    I cannot disagree with this. But I heard recently about some movement afoot to require 18 year old women to register for the draft........I wonder what the feminists think about that.

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    Quote from Elvish
    Right, after they've already lost months/years/decades after being wrongfully convicted. What's the plan for restoring that lost time?

    The discussion is about restoring voting rights. What is your solution? Send no one to prison and let them keep on keepin' on?

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    Quote from Elvish
    Once they've served their time and paid their debt to society, yes. Exactly how long would you like to continue flogging them?

    It boils down to which is more important: innocent people keeping their rights or guilty people losing theirs?

    Punishing innocent people is completely incongruent with everything we stand for as a nation. I'm appalled that anyone is even trying to justify this.


    Try not to spin what I said. I clearly said that if a person is proven innocent then they should have their voting rights restored.

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    Quote from Elvish
    This is where it gets tricky, because the legal system works....for some people. Plenty of people are currently incarcerated, with their rights stripped, for crimes they did not commit. We don't know exactly how many, but the fact that people are later exonerated is de facto argument that they exist. One innocent person convicted and stripped for rights for something they did not do should be too many for anyone who claims to want liberty.



    Restored rights do nothing to make up for the years and decades these people lose. That is why I hate laws that say felons should have [insert right here] taken away. That's all well and good until you're the one wrongfully convicted.

    Innocence Project - Help us put an end to wrongful convictions! Innocence Project
    So you are fine with those who are rightfully convicted to regain voting rights? Okay then.

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    Quote from Elvish
    And it was stated as such.

    Still, I'm curious: how many innocent people convicted (and unfairly stripped of voting rights) is too many for you?
    First of all, lots of guilty people claim they are innocent....so I'm not going to go there on their word. Therefore, that question has no answer unless we KNOW they are innocent and are deemed so by the legal system. And at that point, of course, their voting rights should be restored.

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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    She isn't in the clip itself of Pence at the barber shop but she's pretty smug about something that I didn't see.

    You could go on youtube and search for it . . .

    pence getting hair cut - YouTube

    I can't watch her for long either . . . she's the female Bill O'Reilly, in my opinion. S M A R M Y
    maybe it is what they call "click bait."

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    Quote from Elvish
    Still disagree. They are not being rewarded. A reward would be praising them for a choice or giving them a gift directly related. Once the debt to society is repaid, there is no humane nor democratic justification for stripping rights of citizenship in perpetuity. That might fall under 'unusual punishment' and we have something about that in our constitution.

    Additionally, there are enough people convicted of crimes that are later exonerated that I'm uncomfortable with this on its face.
    Your opinion.....

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    Quote from Spidey's mom
    I watched it out of curiosity . . . Rachel is making a big deal over nada. I saw nothing to indicate that the barber cringed. He was very polite. And gave Pence a great haircut.
    I am glad you watched and reported it. Maddow....I can't watch her.

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    Quote from Elvish
    Disagree.

    Thanks to unnecessary laws, plenty of people are classified as felons who should not be. (Some nonviolent drug offenders, as Tweety pointed out.)
    I can agree there are unnecessary laws and not just regarding voting rights. But when one chooses to break a law that results in a felony, that is what it is....the person made a bad choice. I cannot see rewarding them for it.

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    Not all citizens should be able to vote.....Convicted felons for example....they should not have that right returned to them.......

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    toomuchbaloney and Tweety like this.

    Quote from Tweety
    I would think the closer one gets to a campaign the larger the staff and space needs become.

    To met it's almost criminal how much money goes into a campaign. Obama and Romney both topped $1 apiece.
    Probably way more than $1 apiece!

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    Tweety likes this.

    Quote from Tweety
    ......and maybe like Fox News wants it to be, it's really not a "bombshell" of a story. The like to blow up stories against her, and talk about it ad nauseum. Wonder if they are still talking about the emails?

    You mean the 15K more of them that were released, yesterday I think? On Kimmel she said, "what's a few more?" 15K is not a few and she'd said many times she'd released them all. So I might consider it extremely notable and maybe another bombshell.

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    Quote from StNeotser
    No problem. Thanks for giving us that example of lies from the media though.

    I wonder why the NYT feels their online readers are more entitled to some information than their print readers?


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