Latest Comments by ProfRN4

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Joined Apr 5, '03. ProfRN4 is a nursing professor. She has '19' year(s) of experience. Posts: 2,235 (22% Liked) Likes: 1,307

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  • 4

    Quote from BadStudent01
    I am a third-semester nursing student who has been using test banks since my first semester in the program. You could say that I discovered the existence of test banks by accident, but ever since I began using them, I have scored nearly 100 on every test I have taken. But here is the catch -- my teachers don't use questions from just one test bank.
    While it seems you have put a lot of effort into studying, and exposing yourself to as many different questions as you can, you're still cheating, in a sense. You don't know which of the bank questions will appear, but the fact that you are accessing a bank that is not meant for public (student) viewing, this is where the problem lies.

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    milesims and elkpark like this.

    Quote from milesims
    Perhaps universities and instructors should find alternatives to test banks. I don't know what it could possibly be, but the only solution I can think of is writing your own exam questions. It's a difficult situation. What are your thoughts?
    This is what we do (sort of). We adapt questions we find in banks and public sites. We create brand new questions from scratch as well. The result is often confusion and anger from the students. The students feel that our questions are way too complicated and 'tricky'. It is too much work from all ends.

  • 4

    Quote from Spidey's mom
    Now obviously I graduated 19 years ago, but I wonder too about where some of y'all are going to nursing school? Because there is NO way any of the things mentioned would have been tolerated.

    It sounds like the teachers are just not as firm about the rules like they used to be . . . maybe a sign of the times??

    Having kids was no excuse for not meeting your obligations as a nursing student. And you do have obligations.
    The problem is, it needs to come from ALL faculty, and the higher ups. I teach in the second level class, and I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden, students think they have a golden ticket to do whatever they want once they make it out of Fundamentals. So I asked around, and learned that many in the course me did not reinforce such things, and did not role model these behaviors themselves.

    It is incredibly draining to be on top of students who do not comply with professional behaviors. The excuses we hear, oh my goodness!! I feel like all of a sudden, everyone has medical issues!! In my course, we have failed students for excessive absences/latenesses to clinical. But in the classroom it isn't enforced nearly as much. Many of us are of the belief that you can come to class, or not... but don't come crying to us if you don't pass!

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    everlongRN, kidsmom002, Pixie.RN, and 3 others like this.

    Quote from thimba
    Here's how it could end badly... The student gets a compliment (like they are a child) then decides from that compliment they are excelling at clinicals and don't need to do anything more. Then they stand around even more.

    Another compliment? "Wow! I'm really doing everything right this semester. No need to change any of my behavior." = Continues being useless on the floor.

    They are students, not children. If they don't deserve a compliment, then they shouldn't receive one as some sort of backhanded way to attempt to make them useful during their shift.
    This.

    Not every student is whiny and unmotivated. But many of them are. They want to be nurses, but want to do as little as possible in clinical to accomplish the requirements, or they only want to do the 'cool' stuff. It's not my responsibility to convince adults that they want to do the job they are in school for. It makes me question of they really want to be there.

    And the over-praising of menial, expected tasks/accomplishments has gotten out of hand. I can honestly say, with every student whom I've had that has struggled, I can and do compliment them on their strengths. I am able to see good in (almost) everyone, and don't want to complely deflate them. But sometimes overdoing the compliments when they are sandwiched in with criticisms can be confusing to them. Sometimes they can't hear the 'but you're still failing'.

  • 5
    nursej22, djh123, Toastedpeanut, and 2 others like this.

    I hate my job because it consumes my life. The expectations are unreal. If I don't take my work home, it won't get done. I do have hobbies and a family, that I feel like I neglect way too much because of my job.

  • 0

    First, I will agree with you on the first part of your post: it is getting more and more difficult to teach to a less prepared and less motivated group of students. I was a 'young' 18 year old nursing student in the 90s (among a group of 20s-30s as my classmates), so I don't like to generalize about younger students. But I do feel that the applicant pool has thinned, and we are not getting the caliber of students we used to.

    Regarding the test questions, I agree with others who feel that a student is not cheating if they have seen them on various study/prep sites. In my program, we write out own questions (or basically, look for ones and revise to make them more challenging). It is an incredible challenge to do this, but our faculty insists on it. As a result, we have a large number of failures, because the questions are so challenging.

  • 0

    I feel like over the last couple of semesters, I have encountered more students like this. I also feel like they are 'getting by' in the previous class, because I can't imagine that they suddenly inherited these behaviors over the break. While the students do need to be held accountable for their actions, I feel that when the standard of professional behavior is not set in the first semester, then these habits are very hard to break.

    As for the students, you have to be the "mean one", as I find myself having to do more and more. After one or two general conversations about professional behaviors, I need to then single out the individuals (privately, of course). The other day, I ended up doing it in front of the entire group (as we were in a public area, and I needed to put it to a stop). The student flashed me a pathetic, pouty "why are you yelling at me" look.

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    garcherry725 likes this.

    Hi, I'm casually looking into school nursing as well. it's something I always wanted to do (and I've been a camp nurse for many years now).

    I started by looking on one of the more common job sites (not sure if I can say which one), just typed in school nurse. What came up were some out-of-the-box type of positions. I originally was looking in the major school system, that hires for the whole city. What came up were some private school, charted schools and specialized types of schools. They essentially led me to the individual organizations' websites. So if you know if a specific school (like a private school) you can try by looking on their sites.

    On the job site, there were also a lot of agencies that place school nurses. Many are temporary, part time or sub placements, that do not come with benefits. I spoke to one of the recruiters, and she said often a temp job can lead to a permanent placement, but no benefits until then. So it depends on what your needs are. Good luck!

  • 7
    lavenderskies, HouTx, Serhilda, and 4 others like this.

    As a professor, I try to remind myself to keep my opinions to myself when I'm 'on the stage', but sometimes certain things come out. For example, when I teach GI, it's very difficult to avoid discussing weight management, non-compliance with lifestyle modifications, self-indulgence and the tendency for our society to believe there is a pill or surgery to solve all our problems. I always preface it with "it is hard for many people" (and I often add in a comment about us- students and professors who are stressed, on the go and don't have time to take care of ourselves). I don't feel like I am targeting a specific culture or race by saying these things, but I wouldn't be surprised if someday a student complained about me and said I was 'fat shaming'. I try to keep is as objective as possible. I can use many other examples to prove my point. The bottom line is, in nursing we are talking about human interactions and behaviors/beliefs that potentially affect our well-being.

    My point is, regarding this professor, I know this would not be tolerated in my program or college. I teach in one of the most diverse public colleges in my area (and in the country). A lot of Asian students (who are generally very pleasant, hard working and respectful, so I know this is not representative of all of them). And I am surprised that many of you are of the belief that the student should just suck it up. Maybe for some, it is easy to tune him out and wait for him to actually teach what he's supposed to be (I wonder how much of that is actually going on here). But for some, it's not. Yes, as nurses we need to deal with stupid and ignorant things people say, but we're not paying for our patients and colleagues to insult us. Imagine if this were a professor of another race or culture, making generalizations about another race or culture. It just wouldn't fly (nor should it).

  • 5
    Krispykritters, Karou, NurseEmmy, and 2 others like this.

    I am assuming this is your first semester in clinical? If so, I want you to think about how much you are really capable of doing at this point. You need to crawl before you can walk, let alone run. Assessment, data collection, and communication are the major "skills" you need to accomplish before you can implement. I put the air quotes (or in this case, real quotes) around skills because students often want to do (what they perceive as) "real skills". Start IVs, insert foleys, give meds through a tube, etc. You are not ready for that yet. (I just re-read your post and see that this is what you were hoping for, much to my initial suspicion).

    As far as the feedback you are receiving: it's time for some self-reflection here. The first red flag I see is "too open". It is great that you have recognized that you are caring, but sometimes there is a fine line between this and being too open. When you cross over that line, it is perceived as unprofessional. Are you speaking to patients, staff and your professor like they are your friends or family? Are you using the therapeutic techniques you (hopefully) learned in theory classes? Communication is something many people take for granted, yet do very poorly. Since much of what you are doing at this point is along these lines, I respectfully recommend you really focus in on this.

  • 0

    In my opinion it depends on what type of jobs are available, if any, as an LPN. As I mentioned in my previous reply, jobs are difficult to obtain where I live- even as an RN with an associate degree. If you are willing to work in a nursing home or skilled nursing facility then perhaps this would be a good way to start your career as a nurse.

  • 0

    I'm sorry this is so late (I just realized someone asked this question here a few months ago). Where I live is very difficult to get a job with a two year degree. That is my only reason. We are selling a product (RN), but we can't necessarily make good on it. Yes technically one can work as an RN with an associate degree but very few employers are willing to take them on anymore in my area.

    Your username suggest to me that you don't live in the same area I do so maybe it is different where you live.

  • 7

    OP, if you're still looking for advice, I would like to add to those who are suggesting that you find another route. I am in my schools admissions committee, and I teach in the program. Your application would not even be considered. Your GPA is too low and you have failed a pre-requisite three times. Where I live/work, it is not as competitive as it used to be (I teach in an ADN program and you need a BSN for the majority of jobs in my area). As a result, we have considered students recently that would never have been given a chance five years ago. By that, I mean people who. At have gotten a C instead of a B or A, or a GPA slightly below the requirement.

    Historically, anyone who we've 'taken a chance' on has not succeeded. The requirement exist for a reason- if you cannot pass a pre-requisite (after three attempts) the likelihood of you succeeding in nursing is very slim. And is it fair to give you a chance, over someone else who has proven themselves to be competent and capable enough in their pre-requisites? I'm sure that you think it is, Because you say you want this more than anything, and will stop at nothing to achieve it. But you have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk. And thus far, you haven't.

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    gypsyd8 and Eru Ilúvatar like this.

    Quote from Mulan

    There's a facebook page, "(this woman's name) needs to be fired" is the name of the page.

    Under posts to page, there is another picture, where this woman allegedly is mocking participants of the Special Olympics.
    while the latter part of this post validates this persons stupidly, I do not believe it is our (society's) place to decide the fate of people like this.

    We we have become a society of vigilantes. While I do believe this person acted foolishly, (and did get what she deserved) I think we need to worry about ourselves. She is not a criminal- she did not endanger the life of another human being (i.e. killed, abused or molested anyone, and is in a profession that would potentially endanger any human beings). If that were the case, yeah, I feel a lot More passionate about it).

    I also think we need to stop specifically targeting the younger generation, regarding what they are doing. This woman is in her thirties, she is not a child. I knew of a student in their 50s who made a bonehead move involving a cellphone/camera in clinical. As the mother of a teen, I am not suggesting we don't continuously drill this into their heads. I share every story like this with my teen, regardless of the age of the offender. Th bottom line that people of all age need to know is that there are consequences to your actions, regardless of who was supposed to see it/hear it/know about it. Whether it's on the Internet or not.

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    Nurse Leigh likes this.

    Quote from windsurfer8
    It doesn't help that your post is almost impossible to understand let alone read.

    There are consequences to bad grades. You can find a job in a service field or something which does not require high grades. Medical profession is to serious and the consequences of mistakes are very high...much to high to have someone who is only half into it. Good luck.
    This is a tough concept to grasp for many. I know it sounds harsh, but you are absolutely right. The job world is becoming more and more competitive, in all professions. Having a degree and license is often not enough... You need more. They are looking at GPAs when they hire candidates. While I agree that a GPA does not define you as a nurse, it is a hard sell to convince someone to hire you (or admit you into a program) when your academic record/performance is not as competitive as those vying for the same spots as you. I say this as a professor and as a faculty member who is involved in admissions (which I believe I already stated in my initial post). I've seen scenarios go both ways; I've seen students with less than stellar GPAs (prior to admission) fall flat on their face, AND I've seen a few (not as many as one would think) get through. They can be savvy enough in clinical, kind, caring and compassionate, but they often struggle in theory.


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