ProfRN4, MSN Pro 19,057 Views
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I think that a facility being willing to interview an applicant with months of experience for a job that should require years of experience is a huge red flag. With as little experience as you have, it is quite likely that you don't know what you don't know. Even as a nurse with nearly 10 years of experience, I had quite the eye opening experience when I got to the hands-on part of my MSN with a focus in nursing education program. It's not only knowing and having the experience to provide education on what it is you're providing that education, there's also a lot of information about how to provide the education that needs to be understood.
You did not like when your experience was called into question in this thread. If you take this job, your lack of experience surely will be called into question. We are being honest with you. That job is not for someone who has only been a nurse for 8 months. It just isn't. If you want to do well in a job like that, why not work at a SNF for a while as a nurse and then maybe as a unit manager? This way you will get your lay of the land. Where I work they don't orient you to charge for a few years because they don't want overwhelmed, frazzled, inexperienced charge nurses. I'm sure you can eventually do this job, but ease your way into it. SNFs are notorious for being lawsuit hothouses and you will be one of the first names that comes up in discovery.
Don't confuse your getting an interview or even getting hired with actually being qualified for the job. They aren't indicators for that and you're not qualified.
You are skeptical of management degrees and MBA's? Interesting. Thanks for your honest feedback!! I will see how my interview turned out!
I did ask, but figured we were all mature adults and did not need to make snarky or rude comments. I believe there was a better/more mature way of replying, but perhaps that is too much to ask on a public forum. I guess the stereotypes of veteran nurses are true, with the exception of my relatives who are nurse practitioners and have all given me valuable input! Have a good night, and thanks for trying to assist! I definitely appreciate opinions and feedback, especially when they are constructive as opposed to belittling.
I liked the job - when I could do it like I was supposed. All the STAT shifting gears was awful.
And of course whenever there was problem, it was always 'they need more training'. NOOOOOOO! They need more supervision and followup!
Why are you following what I'm doing so closely? Are you a crappy nm too? It doesn't matter if a nurse has a gazillion years of carefully strategized experience, s/he might not necessarily be a good manager. I'm surprised hospitals are still filling managerial positions with these nurses who couldn't care less about their subordinates, the patients, or nursing in general. They should hire MBAs, real business professionals and be done with it.
Is this the same manager you were complaining about last month? And the month before? I thought you were getting a new job?
And yes, if every manager you have had is a jerk, and every charge nurse or long time nurse you've worked with is backbiting and a gossip, I would say that you are the common denominator.
I have worked for some real jerks... both in nursing and outside of nursing.
I have worked with some wonderful managers, ones that listened, improved working conditions, and supported my own career goals... both in nursing and outside of nursing.
People are people. And middle management is the worst place to be no matter what your profession is.
My own experience has shown me that when I don't know someone, or what their job requires, I am more likely to judge their abilities. When I find out more about them and their role, I mostly see people doing the best they can with what they have.
Believe me I wasn't always a jerk. Let me tell you its a thankless job, but I keep at it and come in each day trying to make a difference. But you are stuck between a rock and hard place. Trying to advocate for staff, trying to please the higher ups. I was a CNA, LPN, RN, Supervisor and now nurse manger. No one wants to work and those that do are getting burnt out. I tried to protect my staff from angry family members and angry administration. They on the other hand are trying to please the owners and state and keep the facility open so people still have jobs. I do not ask anyone to do what I wouldn't do myself. But there is sometimes not enough time in the day to do it all. I am on the cart at times. One time I was on two carts and doing care. I didn't get my care plans done. Guess what I was told I better find a way to get it done. So tell me, what would you do? Some people get in power because they like the power and they are jerks. Some get in power because they hope they can make a difference and get burnt out. If you look around I bet you will see many many openings for nurse managers, supervisors, ADONs and DONS. There is a reason. I won't quit, but some days I just want to go home and cry. So please don't generalize. I don't get paid enough to do this. Its in my heart.
If you perceive one person as a jerk, that person probably is a jerk. If you perceive everyone (or in your case, all managers) as a jerk, you might want to indulge in some self-reflection. Nurses are human, so some are jerks.
I am so over joyed by all of the positive responses I have received. I am now reading them as I am riding back to the metroplex. I was not expecting this level of support; I honestly feel refreshed! I am also taking the not so positive comments into consideration... as many of them are also valuable.
Many of you have offered great suggestions. I am doing many of them now, and will try the new ones!
Wow, thank you everyone! I will keep you udated as time goes by.
To answer a burning question: Yes, I was a nurse before being the manager. I was PRN, a staff nurse, a clinical supervisor, and then manager. All within that same unit. It's been an exciting journey!
It is refreshing to read this, as you care and want to try. I just want to tell you, that in and of itself, is absolutely awesome!
Do you know what it's like to not have anyone like you? To know that everyone hates you? That's my life as a nurse manager. They now see me as the enemy. I have to deny vacations, write people up, give not so good performance evaluations, tell people how to do their job better, short the unit. They think I am sitting in my office everyday doing nothing when I am drowning in work. Blah!!!! I spend almost all my time in meetings. Sometimes I literally have 30 minutes outside of meetings. So then I work at home or on my days off. When I am in my office, sometimes I close my door. I literally cannot get a thing done when my door is open because people always come in to talk. I cannot send people away because I don't want to unapproachable.
What they don't know is how hard I fight for them. They forget about all the new equipment I fight for. They forget all about the changes I have made so they have it easier. I talk about these in our staff meetings but very few people come. I send out weekly emails but people don't read them.
I was so happy to take this job. It has proved to be the hardest job ever. I have senior leaders handing never ending tasks down to me and staff level employees complaining so much. It's exhausting. Was I like that as a staff nurse?
Balancing the schedule for 70 people is nuts. No one gets 100% of what they want. That makes people very angry but someone has to work!
People complain and gossip but refuse to get involved. They won't come to staff meetings, they won't join committees, they won't offer solutions.
I love my job and I love the team. However; it is so exhausting. I am on call 24-7. People tend to forget that too. I respond to calls and messages all day long.
I just want people to meet me in the middle.
I try to get to know the staff members, send thank notes monthly, ask people what they think.
I can't seem to get ahead. I think a big part of the problem is that I came from this unit. People wonder why I got the job. I'm sure some people even hate it. No matter how hard I try, I can't get them to understand that I work for them. I want them to grow and succeed. I want us to be a great unit that everyone wants to work on.
Any tips??? Any advice???
Wonderful. When I was a clin spec and classed as middle management, I wore street clothes and a well-fitting lab coat with my scissors, clamp, steth, and suchlike in the pockets. They got pretty regular use, but I still put on scrubs and worked a shift in the ICU about once a month to keep my hand in. Once somebody said to me, "Oh, Ali, you look like a nurse today," and fortunately I had the presence of mind to say, with a smile, "I look like a nurse every day."
On a related note, in my present role I get asked when the last time was I worked as a nurse. Same answer. "I'm working a a nurse today, counselor." Opportunities for education are boundless.
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