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  • Aug 27 '13

    Quote from Tanzanite
    Lets just all remember that it is illegal to call your-self a "nurse", if you have not issued a nursing license.
    After 10 pages aren't we ready to say "'nuff said"?

    It doesn't matter who can pass NCLEX with their eyes closed and the knowledge base they have (considerable though it might be), the role they have in the MD's offices, and how respected they are by patients, etc., etc. etc., blah blah blah.

    Bottom line, if you didn't pass NCLEX, you're not a nurse. 'Nuff said.

  • Aug 27 '13

    Quote from nursingis4me
    I read your last three posts; it looks like you did get the gist of what I was saying--that is while it is both unlawful and incorrect for anyone to refer to themselves with a title they have not earned (such as a medical assistant calling her/himself a "NURSE" when they aren't), it can be difficult (it's like fighting an uphill battle) to change the way doctors randomly use the title "NURSE".The problem is that they'll say "It's minor--you and the patients know what I mean!!" But they don't understand that it's not minor, if MAs are addressed incorrectly by the docs, it'll only cause confusion when the patient comes or calls in to the office requesting assistance "from the nurse working with Dr. Doe". You are correct to say that docs would be upset if NPs or PAs were referred to as "Dr"- I've personally witnessed this! A PA in my practice is always called "Dr. C------", it burns the physicians up to the point that a staff meeting was held on the proper usage of titles; the docs were really upset when they realized that the staff was addressing "Dr. C-----" correctly, as he held a PhD, and thereby did indeed earn the title of "Dr." (How they missed that, I'll never understand--for the fact that he has a PhD seems to be printed on everything posted in the office touting the fact that there's a PA on staff.)
    I realize that it is hard to change the doctor's terminology, but the very fact that a PA being called Doctor burned up the physicians at your place of work enough to hold a meeting, just illustrates my point. They have no problem correcting patients when the issue is one that hits closer to home. I still say that anyone who survived medical school has a good enough memory to call their coworkers and staff by the titles that they earned.

  • Aug 27 '13

    Quote from nursingis4me
    Hopefully, you'll never have that experience, but I know that it can and does happen-based on personal work experience (18+ years work experience); people react differently to corrections-no matter how kind-so sometimes you have to keep your thoughts in check~just know that it doesn't help you in trying to educate the patients on proper titles/terminolgy when the physicians refer to the medical assistant staff as "nurses" (that same patient may say to themselves that the word "nurse" must be correct, if the doctor is using it).
    But the doctors shouldn't be using the term nurse unless it actually is a nurse. Most doctors would throw a fit if an NP or PA was usurping the title doctor in a medical setting. They spent upwards of 8 years in school. If they can master organic chemistry and advanced physics, then they can remember to call a medical assistant a medical assistant and a nurse a nurse.

  • Aug 27 '13

    Quote from Cajun-Junkie
    This is why I said what I did.

    I dont have to explain myself, or my views, I chose to. I was in no way insulting anyone, I tried to explain why I feel the way I do & I was trying to have a grown up debate. Apparently you guys had it rough in school, I havent had that problem, and I dont anticipate having it in the near future. I can and will continue to think the way I do. I dont have a big ego, Im confidant in my abilities, there's a biiiggg difference.

    Confidence is great. I am confident that I could be accepted into medical school. I am smart, I have the grades, I have taken a few of the prereqs and done well. But you know what, if I go over to Student doctor network and spout off that I know just as much as a physician because I took a few of the prereqs and will soon be an RN, they would laugh themselves silly and rightfully so. Now I KNOW, that I am smart enough to become a physician. Just like you know that you are smart enough to become a nurse. No one is debating that because we don't know you. However, since you are NOT a nurse, you also can't presume to tell nurses what they learned in school, because you didn't complete their course of study or take their licensing exam so speculating on how you would do is not worth much. I can say that I could pass the MCAT with a competitive score with my eyes closed because I have studied some of the coursework. Doesn't mean I have a clue.

  • Aug 27 '13

    Quote from nursingis4me
    So what would you do when A PATIENT who doesn't know (or care) about the differences in tile refers to you constantly as a "NURSE"? Do you risk offending the patient (to the point of that person not wanting to return to the practice, thereby losing income for the entire office staff) by correcting them...or gracefully smile, knowing that when referring to yourself or other staff members, you will use correct titles?

    I sure don't see how nicely correcting someone would offend the person to that degree!!

    I worked as an assistant to a dermatologist. I wore scrubs and set up instruments for biopsies, handed instruments to doctor, bandaged up patients afterwards. I would sometimes get "thank you nurse" and I would ALWAYS say, "your welcome, but I'm not a nurse (yet), I'm Dr. Smith's assistant" with a smile and that NEVER offended anyone.

    We had many return patients and I would never let someone assume I was a nurse without correcting them. That would be the same as lying to them. I was not (and still am not) qualified as a nurse, so I wouldn't want our patients to think they could ask me something I wasn't qualified to answer, or perform something I wasn't qualified to do.

  • Apr 16 '11

    Quote from Fribblet
    If you are unable to care for your patients, you may need to find another specialty.

    I take care of people who make moral decisions that I do not agree with. I take of drunk drivers, rapists, murders, *******s, people who think prayer is an appropriate way to treat their easily curable child, etc.

    You don't get to choose your patients, but you did agree to take care of those who come your way. I don't reject patients because they are of religions I don't agree with, the color of their skin, their mental issues, the fact that they have HIV/AIDS, the fact that they're in my ER because they were stabbed while they were trying to rape someone, etc.

    We shouldn't allow ourselves to discriminate against our patients.

    Whether you like it or not, abortion is legal. You have an obligation to care for those assigned to you.
    Like it or not (for me) if the family wants their 102 year old mama to be a full code despite the fact that keeping her alive is cruel and I vehemently disagree morally with keeping people alive who should be allowed a dignified, peaceful death, I push the Epi and charge the paddles.

    This is just my two cents, but your (or anyone's) belief in a mythological figure is not reason to refuse care to a patient in need. (Y'all can flame me for that if you feel the need to; I'm fire-proof.)
    I don't want to flame you. You made a deliberately provocative statement about theists. You did this at the end of a post about how discrimination is wrong and you apparently don't see the cognitive dissonance. Kind of amusing, actually, but... I don't think you meant it to be.

  • Mar 8 '11

    Thank you "Villanova, RN BSN" for putting down your fellow nurses, who by the way sat for the same test you took to become a registered nurse!!!

  • Mar 8 '11

    Quote from natkoz82
    I live in Chicago and have visited almost every part of Florida, I am actually going to be visiting Ft.Lauderdale at the end on January. I ask anyone here that has ever lived in Florida and they have nothing but terrible things to say. They tell me the schools and education systems are bad and that the majority of the population have low Iq's and are poor. I don't know why this is, everyone seemed pretty normal to me?? I would like to move there one day and start a new life with my husband but I'm worried about salary and job placement for both himself and I. Why are some peoples experiences so bad, its so beautiful and the people are very nice. I just don't get it. Can someone help me understand why this is??
    Yes, I agree that there are some people who "complain" about FL because they don't know how GREAT they have it. It amazes me! I live near Boston and I can tell you that it is different in FL. I am debating a move there in the next year and just got back last mos. from Tampa Bay area to check things out. I have been to FL at least 15 times in my life and do love it but of course, I did notice just a couple drawbacks while I was there looking things over last month. But, most everything is awesome.

    There are NO potholes and the streets are beautifully maintained. There is NO beeping of horns or roadrage and minimal amt. of people that cut you off. The driving is wonderful. However, they do drive pretty fast and get up on you just expecting you to move. The minimum speed limit on 275 /75 is 70 miles per hour and it is 55 to 65 here in MA. So, almost everyone goes 80 mph. As for the cost of living, it is MUCH less than what I am used to. It all depends where you live. Chicago's cost of living is still less than Boston so you may not see a big change as I do. Rents for 2 bed/2bath-approx. 1200 sq. ft w/ gorgeous landscape, pools, fitness center, etc. are about $1000 per mos. in the Tampa Bay area. For $1000 per mos. here in Boston area you get a 700-800 sq. foot 3 room apt. or 1 bedroom if you are lucky w/ no amenities at all or sometimes heat may be included. The apt. in FL would be around $1600 to $2000 per mos. here in MA and would not be as nice (ie. no palm trees). Also, of course NO 10 degree weather and huge snowstorms. Yes, there are hurricanes but you learn to live w/ it like anything else in life.

    As for the cost of living, I paid $5 to park downtown Tampa garage near the Convention Center. And, yes that was for the entire day. Here in Boston that cost anywhere from $20-28 per day. Also, NO tolls except for the Sunshine Hghwy which you can avoid. For me to go into Boston through the tunnel (just 12 miles) is $3.50 one way. There is only one highway that doesn't cost any $$ here but the traffic is unbearable (Rte. 128). In the tampa bay area, there are 3 that are free. I was staying in Madeira Beach and went to Advance for Nurses Job Fair in Tampa @ the convention center. It only took me 35 min. and no traffic at 6:45 AM. I couldn't believe it. And, that was a Friday.

    At the Job Fair, I went to a class on medical prevention errors and it was awesome. The only thing was that I heard the most horrible story that I have ever heard in my life about what a nurse did in a FL medical facility. It ended up in a lawsuit. One of my biggest concerns is the medical care and nursing care in FL. The story that was told didn't seem to amaze anyone in the room exceept for me. My mouth was wide open with unbelief that this could happen. Anyway, I did meet 'wonderful' people who were so helpful and one recruiter eveen called me when I got home to tell me about jobs for another company and NOT her hospital. Can you believe it? I had people helping me out left and right. Was a completely different atmosphere at the Advance seminar in Tampa from the ones in Boston. I trully believe it has a lot to do w/ the Christian influence in FL.

    I know this was a lot to read but I, too, am trying to see if FL is right for me. i do have a condo to sell and wonder if it will sell. Just FYI, I live in a crime ridden city w/ drug dealers, gang members (on my street), and two shootings on my street in the last 3 years. I have lived here for 4 years and paid $215,000 for this 1200 sq. ft. 2 bed/2bath condo w/ just a parking lot and an elevator in the building. So, for all the people in FL: What do you think of that? What can you buy for $215,000 and what are your taxes and condo fees? My taxes are $2100 per year and my condo fee is $312 per mos.. My auto insurance is $1600 per year for a 2006 Toyota corolla w/ one point on my auto insuurance. One more thing, the pay for nursing educators is terrible. I made $43,000 per year as nursing faculty in a community college. The top pay is only about $60,000 per year w/ a MSN teaching in public colleges. I don't know about private schools.

    Thanks for reading.:wink2:

  • Mar 8 '11

    I am going to point out a bit of the flip side.....

    My brother (ASN-RN) with ~5 yrs exp earned over $100K last year. WOW! Right? He actually looked at moving here to FL and was so appalled at the low wages that he wouldn't even consider it.


    $100K - fed tax (income, SSN, MC) - NYS income tax - NYC income tax..... Wonder what his net was? (NMB so I didn't ask...)

    He paid $3K/mo for a 2 br SMALL apartment. He left his car with my nephew on LI because it was $700+/mo to park a car. Last time I checked (in 1984) sales tax in NYC was 8.25%. He was a smoker. His cigarettes cost $10 a PACK when I was paying $25/carton! Everything costs so much more.

    When you boil it down, it isn't how much you earn but what your DISPOSABLE income is. It is time and what you can do with it....What you VALUE! I *hate* driving in ice and snow, scraping windows, being cold, shoveling snow.... I *hate* spending an hour or more a day in bumper to bumper traffic! (Sometimes I have to slow down.....but 295 does NOT become a parking lot every day like the highways in NYC/LI, DFW, LA, SF!)

  • Feb 9 '11

    I think everybody should show everybody more respect. We're all on the same planet. Some of us got here before others - by no fault of our own. Some of us went to nursing school and got a job before others. If you know something, by experience or research or through school, teach somebody else. If you don't know something, ask somebody who does and then teach somebody who doesn't. It's really not all that complicated.

    Knowledge - old or new - should be shared, not used as an ego boosting bludgeon.

  • Feb 9 '11


    Let me first start by saying I start an RN program through a hospital based school come March 1st. 22 months, no significant breaks, and lots of clinical...

    I have a degree in Environmental and Hazardous Materials. I have worked for the Environmental Protection Agency, and have worked for a private company as a Field Process Engineer. I wanted to get off the road and start a new career and hopefully find a good woman to start a family with.

    Now ... here I am reading comments on an article based on nursing shortages ..... I am actually almost floored by the negative viewpoints that these "senior" individuals have. You all are pretty much damning any new nurse trying to start a career for themselves. Pretty much telling us that if you see me in the hall .. that I should expect you to treat me with a great deal of disrespect because thats how you have been treated.

    Maybe the problem isn't with the new nurses, maybe the problem isn't with the employers, and maybe it isn't with the senior nurses either. But it comes down to one core principle.... unless SOMEONE and EVERYONE chooses to stop spreading disrespect or negative agression towards those around them, nothing will change. Be caring mentors, and you'll get the respect of those just starting. If you glare at me the day I walk through the door and think here comes another one withh a chip on thier shoulder .. then you have allready judged me, and your glare leaves me no recourse but to find mentorship elsewhere... leaving you thinking I disrespect you. The reality of it is ... I just don't want to deal with the negative attitude your projecting.

  • Jul 31 '10

    Quote from sirI
    O.k., I'm going to try one more time...........

    I agree that some of the posts have been mean, rude, inflammatory. They are being removed as fast as they are posted.

    So far, no points have been assigned to members whose posts were removed.

    If you cannot come to this thread and post according to TOS, please bypass this thread.

    Future posts that are TOS will not only be removed w/o notice, but points will be assigned.

    So, in saying this, we respectfully request that this thread continue with honest feedback w/o attacking, inflammatory, rude, accusatory type posts.

    Judging from the first 100 characters of what keeps showing up in my inbox...

    sirI...You must be busy, busy, busy this afternoon.

    I'm sending you a cyber brewski!

  • Jul 31 '10

    Are you freaking kidding me? Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for your own future. I'm not sure if you are aware but we are in what is called a recession. Let me say that slowly for you. Re-ces-sion. Please refer to if this concept wasn't covered in your program or your 5th grade vocabulary class. You are perfectly capable of keeping abreast of economic trends yourself. That's part of the homework in choosing a career. That along with the knowledge that things change.

    My word. You, my dear, need to get a life and a grip. Take responsibility for your own future and stop passing the buck to others. I can't imagine someone like this working as a nurse. *shudder* Your lawyer probably thinks you are off your rocker and has a call in to the men in white coats already.

  • Jul 31 '10

    I love it LiveToLearn! Do you think they really care about us and our health? I am always worried about getting a UTI because I don't drink enough or take enough bathroom breaks. I have learned to force myself to take a break even if that means I have to stay over a little. If they complain about the overtime I will just tell them that I am taking the break I am legally allowed to take....especially since they take 30 mins from my check every day for lunch. Sorry I don't work for free!

  • Jul 31 '10

    Too bad nurses aren't offered the opportunity to visit the toilet every 2 hours. Most of us only get the chance to go once every 12 hours, if that. I'm gonna make a form for management. They will have to initial it, stating that they have checked that every nurse in the hospital has had the chance to pee every 2 hours, and to take a real uninterrupted break and lunch Any failures to complete the form will lead to a salary freeze.