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Part of the pen name I had for myself when I was a child and dreamed of being a writer! But I guess I do most of my writing on here and no longer have the desire to be an author. My dream job now would be a hybrid gardener/landscaper and interior decorator! Nursing is my day job to pay the bills!
If you are applying for a high level management job multiple job interviews come with the territory. Even if you are just applying for a floor nurse position multiple interviews are becoming more common. Your graduate degrees and living in a big city might be working against you as they may think you are overqualified and want to know if you will fit in and stay in a small town.
Your diploma crack is funny. Diploma nurses are pretty smart, smart enough not to overpay for a degree, maybe even smarter than you with all your grad degrees. I sure wouldn't want your student loans! Think of what you could have done with all that money!
Usually you need some bedside nursing experience first to help you do a good management job having an idea of what your nurses are going thru and hopefully having their back! I wouldn't want a nurse manager without nursing experience. Sadly many soon forget their experience when they go into management and suddenly it becomes all about the almighty dollar. I watched the metamorphoses of a union proud pro nurse pro worker turn into a big business capitalist upon a promotion to supervisor. Suddenly her concern was all for business and she acted like the money for staffing was coming out of her own pocket. Maybe it was, don't know for sure, but a supervisor at a competing hospital system gets a 10% bonus so maybe she did too. Never asked. She would even cheat you out of the pay you deserved to save a buck! I'm not kidding! So I learned my lesson not to do any favors such as working a double shift or picking up overtime!
She wasn't the only one, a fellow coworker was cheated out of her bonus pay for working overtime by another supervisor who had promised it for working extra and then reneged after the fact. Sad! The coworker then made a decision to work part time for the benefits and pick up the rest of her hours agency making alot more money, and no pleas of short staffing would sway her after being swindled out of money she was promised! I think it was the right decision for her!
Vent aside I suppose you could try to get a job at a doctor's office or Assisted Living facility, but I still think you should have at least a couple years of experience as a nurse. If management is your thing, take some additional business and management courses while in school and plan on a Masters in either Business or Health Care Management. I'm not anti-business personally, but feel there needs to be a balance between business interests and workers rights and needs. If you can do both your workers will love you!
By us you could simply work an extra 8 hour shift that week or if you don't want to work extra you could either work a 4 hour shift or take 4 hours PTO. They of course would prefer you to work the extra 8 hours because they seem to be perpetually short of staff.
I think they are just trying to work their nurses to death to save money on assistants. I would never work at such a place and 5 patients is too much for no aide etc, no way! Maybe 3 patients, but not 5 and they are already admitting they don't staff adequately. I would run! Heck if you want to work without help just work in the ICU then you have your 2-3 patients and do everything yourself.
Worst job was a word processor for an insurance company. Ironically it had won some award for being a great place to work, but for the clerical staff it was really a pink ghetto where we were watched like a hawk with quotas to meet and being forced to compete with your coworkers basically printing out mindless form letters where your speed, your errors and your quotas were being monitored and once you reached one quota they simply raised the next quota. My fingers would ache at the end of the day and I only worked 5 hours a day! Thankfully I came to my senses after six months and resigned and found a much better job as a ER admissions clerk. I would say that was my best job, most fun, no stress, interesting, laid back but couldn't live on the wages.
Nursing has enabled me to buy a house, travel, enjoy hobbies, help family and give to charity, but unfortunately at the cost of my health and peace of mind. There are shifts that make my word processor job seem downright pleasant, sad to say! At least there I wasn't being hit by crazy demented people, bombarded by endless alarms and ruining my back and body moving morbidly obese people!
I think you are overreacting. It is hard for someone who has not worked as a nurse to have any idea of the stress we are under and what we can go thru in a day. Thankfully you have your stepmom who does understand and can listen, commiserate and encourage you, not everyone has a family member that gets it. Fortunately we usually have fellow coworkers as friends that do understand.
Don't make a snap decision about ditching your roommate over this one situation. But you seem to have a list of reasons why you want to end this arrangement.
I am a true believer that higher education combined with experienced hands on patients is ideal. I have been a Nurse (ADN) since 95 until recently that I completed my BSN and just a week ago got admitted to a Family Nurse Practitioner Program. I am in it all the way. Why fight the flow? Either we like it or not, the future of Nurses is to be DNP. There are Universities that by certain time this year or next will not even offer MSN option. It will be RN to DNP. So, if that is the path then I will a well get it done before I am too old. And for the record, it is doable. I have 2 kids, 2 jobs and a student loan to paid. It's hard but it can be done. I figure the NP degree will give me more autonomy, independence to treat and yes, more knowledge to diagnose and treat patients. Plus the salary is great as it is the demand for NP's.
A sonographer is a good choice you are paid as much sometimes more than an RN and you have much better working conditions. You only take care of one patient at a time have a defined job whereas as a nurse you must juggle many patients and are expected to do everybody elses job on top of yours, but no one else can do your job. Frankly I think sonographers have a better quality of life for as good if not better pay. You are hands on can work at doctor offices and have a regular job with weekends and holidays off which is not the case for many nurses! Personally I think you are spared the strain on your back and body from moving people as well.
Could you be a nurse probably, would you be happy as a nurse, that is less likely. Nursing has a high burnout rate with lots of turnover and even nurses who quit nursing entirely due to the high stress and bad working conditions. If I had it to do all over again I would consider being a sonographer. I'm sure many others would agree.
All I've said so far doesn't even bring in your hearing loss. Yes we have a nurse that has hearing problems and uses a special amplified stethoscope to hear. As a floor nurse you need to hear lung, heart and abd sounds. Do you read lips? Do you have a cochlear implant? I don't think being hearing impaired would stop you from being a nurse and others that have quit probably did so over the high stress and poor working conditions.
To get the better nursing jobs you need at least a BSN these days and some acute care experience first. Or perhaps even going back to be come a NP.
My advice be open to other jobs especially sonographer do some research. If you read allnurses regularly you can see for yourself the frustration and angst on all the vent threads. I'm resigned to my situation and am just looking forward to retirement, the younger ones see the reality of bedside nursing and go back for their NP. I don't have the time and money to do that, but I fear one making it to retirement in one piece without injuring my back or body permanently due to the insane lifting requirements without adequate lift equipment when you get patients that can weigh 300 to 500 plus pounds and the foley free environment, plus we have alarms going off non stop, heart alarms, bed alarms and call lights. I don't know if you could hear them, but even if you could I'm sure they are damaging to everybody's hearing and I wonder how many of us are going to end up needing hearing aides from the damage of all the alarms we are subjected to! Really being a nurse is not all that great! You could have a wonderful life, great paycheck and working conditions as a sonographer, just something to consider. I didn't know anything about this wonderful and great paying job when I went into nursing and I wish I had!
PS I went into nursing to help others and use my brain while making a living wage. Yes you can help others and I have some wonderful memories, but I'm not sure that it was worth the toll it has taken and is still taking on my back and body. The constant alarms are well known to raise blood pressure and I am struggling with high blood pressure on several meds to control it, struggle with migraines that the stress of a bad night will almost invariably mean I will have one by the end of the shift! I'm on meds to deal with my stress, anxiety and frustration of the working conditions as well and honestly don't feel I would need to take these meds if I had a regular job! I have seen too many coworkers living in constant back pain from the lifting requirements needing epidurals and sometimes surgery and still having chronic back pain. I've witnessed a few poor souls who ended up on disability from neck and back injuries at work. It is a scary feeling to know that for the grace of God it could just as easily be me! Also a friend got stuck by an overfull needle box and had to take AZT to prevent HIV because their was no way to know who the needle was from and if they had HIV or Hep C and other nurses have been stuck by a needle with someone with Hep C. I even had a Hep C scare of body fluid splash to my eye from a patient dying of liver failure from Hep C. It took a long time to get up the courage to be tested and find out if I had contracted it. Thankfully I'm ok! I honestly don't think this job is worth the toll it takes on your body and the risks you take. There have been nurses in Canada who died taking care of SARS patients without adequate equipment and likewise nurses who have died taking care of EBOLA patients and two in the US who were sickened and may now have ongoing health problems.
Really I think your vocational rehab counselor is doing you a favor by asking you to consider other jobs. You can specialize as a sonagrapher echo for heart, or abd or veins, arteries or baby monitoring. It is a safe, well paying specialty, don't reject it without considering it first!
Regardless of anything the ANA may or may not say, the BONs do not determine entry to practice. They can only write and implement rules based on the standards established by the state legislatures. In order for anything to change regarding nurse licensure, a state legislature would have to be convinced that the change was necessary and pass legislation making changes to the state Nurse Practice Act, a practice that is referred to colloquially as "opening up the Nurse Practice Act."
State BONs and nursing advocates are extremely reluctant to do this because, once you "open up" the Nurse Practice Act, anyone can weigh in and lobby for changes that they want. The state hospital association, the state physicians association and the AMA, consumer advocate groups, individual citizens -- it's not like the legislature just passes what the BON wants and that's that. The same legislative process applies to this as to any other legislative proposal; there is a period of public comment, there are public hearings, anyone who has any interest in the topic is able to comment and advocate and lobby. Most state nursing associations and BONs have had bad experiences in the past with "opening up the Nurse Practice Act" to get something changed that they want, only to find themselves worse off than they were to begin with at the end of the process, and the Act changed to include something that is the exact opposite of what they were trying to get included. Believe me (I have been directly involved at the state level in the past with making decisions about whether it's worth trying to get something changed), when this process is started, the physicians and hospital associations and every other group associated with or interested in healthcare don't just sit back and let the nurses have what the nurses want; they all have agenda that they want to pursue in relation to nursing and healthcare, and most of them are more experienced, powerful and better funded lobbyists than the nursing groups.
For better or worse, there is v. little support outside of nursing for mandating a BSN for licensure, with or without grandfathering in nurses. Regardless of what they may believe in their heart of hearts, and regardless of what the ANA may pronounce, no BON is (currently) willing to take the risk of opening up their Nurse Practice Act for an issue that the public and legislators understand and care about so little. The nursing community in each state has little to gain, and quite a bit more to lose, in that process.
Who can afford a BSN? Ideally, I would like to find employment in a hospital that offers tuition reimbursement so I could complete my BSN but who knows if I ever will. In the meantime, I'm working at a nursing home and will pay off my student loan in 54 years based on my current lousy income. I went to community college not a private one either. I could go into massive debt, be homeless, have my family starve until I complete my BSN and all that would offer me is potential job security at a hospital. Maybe if there was a notable pay increase somewhere but I refuse to go into more debt to get there.
What a wonderful benefit. I wish we had something like that and how cool that you can go to several different gyms and try them out. That is just so neat!
As a single woman I'm not jealous of my married coworkers. lol Even if their husbands were high paid, most aren't, a few don't even work, lol. In truth if they were so highly paid why are the married nurses working? They could just be doing volunteer work for a cause they believe in or traveling or planting flowers or raising their kids and spending time with their family.
OK well maybe I am a little jealous, ha ha of the social security options married folks have that us single folks don't have. Although the file and suspend option is now being closed by a behind the scenes agreement with Congress without public debate so you married folks won't be making out so much more than us single ones anymore. Sorry folks! To those unhappily married if you are close to ten years stick it out because once you are married after ten years you can still get spousal social security if you divorce and don't remarry till later in life 60 something check the social security rules.
Frankly I like being single and I'm sure many other singles would agree with me when we have unmarried adult women at a record rate in this country there must be a good reason why! I think we singles make up a new majority in this country. I prefer my freedom, ability to do what I want when I want from travel to sleeping to hobbies etc. No one to please but me and no one to answer to or question me! Freedom is a good thing. I see many coupled nurses married or in a relationship that put up with things I would never put up with and it reminds me why being single is a good thing! lol
I don't know how long you were working there but you do seem to have excessive late days. While you always have your excuses, management doesn't care they just want you there. Maybe they will let it go once or twice for an emergency but when it becomes a pattern and by hours not minutes I can see why they were upset. As to asking for too many days off that seems petty they could simply say no to you and that would be the end of the issue. As to leaving early again it depends on the place, where I work it counts as half a sick day, although they don't enforce it for nurses so far, but they do for CNA's. Are you hourly or salaried? Regardless you have to go along with their policies.
It sounds like you don't get along with the manager who appears to be trying to fire you so giving your notice was probably the best choice. Were you in a small office setting from being in a larger hospital setting? I work in a hospital where it is more impersonal and you can go a month without working with someone and I fear if I worked in an office setting where you see the same people each day if someone didn't like you especially a manager it could become more of problem. Interpersonal conflicts and cliques can combine when you are working with the same group of people daily. Part of it was probably a personality conflict and part of it was your "sins" coming in hours late and leaving early, but it seems obvious she is gunning to get rid of you if she is involving other supervisors and HR so your best bet was to look for another job.
It probably would have been better to find a job and then give notice but what's done is done. When you are still working you can ask other employers not to contact your current employer, but now that will no longer be an option. Will they put you on the no hire list now since your supervisor wanted to get rid of you for your "sins"? If it is a large system that could make it harder for you to find another job.
I think it is silly to dismiss your supervisors concerns as jealousy because you are married. I find it funny that you are married to this wonderful well paid husband and that you don't have to work for the money, yet your answer to your student loans is to put them in deferment/forbearance since you aren't working. If he is such a wonderful husband why isn't paying off your student loans a joint affair where he would help pay them off? He doesn't sound as great or supportive as you claim if he is willing to let your student loan interest compound and loans grow larger because you aren't working. While the loans are in your name as a married couple it should be a joint issue of paying them off I would think! I would hesitate to take out even more student loans and going back to school if this issue isn't worked out first! If you have such a wonderful marriage wouldn't you guys work together to pay off all debt and save for retirement, etc jointly planning for a joint future?
Other married nurses feel free to let me know how this issue plays out in your family? I'm single so this is just my take on it. Many times a nurse here says her husband makes more and they don't need the money, but where I work many married nurses are the main breadwinner so curious what other people think about this. FYI what I do know is that if you are married income based repayment is based on both your incomes and if the loans aren't paid by the time you retire your social security can be garnished.
Getting off the subject the Texas Rangers just arrested a man over a small amount of unpaid student loans from decades past and they say they are planning to do this with many others in the near future! It just shows how serious student loan debt has become in America where there are virtually no bankruptcy options with student loan debt. I'm just surprised by how cavalier so many people are about taking on student loan debt. If you are married and have home equity, a home equity loan might be a better option, with a lower interest rate and fully tax deductible and you wouldn't have to look over your shoulder for the rest of your life. Just saying!
I think it depends on where you live and if hospitals are hiring ADN's. They still hire ADN's where I work but now they are requiring a BSN within three years or lose your job. If you live in a big city with many colleges then you probably will need a BSN. If you live in a more rural area you might be able to get by with an ADN. If you have a choice you might be able to take the science prereqs at the local public community college as long as they transfer to the state college/university, which they usually do. An ADN thru your public community tech college is usually the cheapest route, but not always the fastest because they might have waiting lists due to the low cost/high demand.
If you go to the state university you might need a higher GPA because of the amount of competition vs a private school, but try to go the low cost option if you have a choice! Student loans are the worst debt out there and I've met many nurses lately with six figure 90,000 to 100,000+ for their RN and not always even a BSN, mostly because they went to a private school for a liberal arts degree and then went to a private ADN program when they couldn't get a job with their first degree.
May I suggest getting a job as a nursing assistant at your hospital or even volunteering at a hospital or nursing home to get a feel for what nurses do. Where I work they have a program for teens interested in the healthcare field and we occasionally get teens still in high school working as a CNA. The local public tech community college usually has a short program to train you for CNA. Hospitals have much better staffing than nursing homes and it would give you a chance to learn more about nursing.
Whatever you do I highly recommend taking a personal finance class now while in high school and maybe some business classes as well. Learning about money management will help you no matter what you choose to do in the future! If anyone is shooting you down for being concerned about making decent money without taking out excess student loans, I think that is a smart consideration on your part. I know only too well if I had not become a nurse and had stayed a secretary I would be really struggling financially and probably not able to own a home. Money has to enter into choosing a job, it is important to earn a living wage so you can afford to drive a safe car, live in a safe neighborhood, save for the future and just live a full, happy life! There is nothing wrong with being concerned about making a good wage. If you can take any classes on starting a small business I would recommend that as well as you never know it might be a way to make extra money or turn a hobby into a business. Some people make good money writing on blogs or being computer consultants or even being dog walkers. I personally think every high school student should be required to take a personal finance class as a minimum and be encouraged to take some basic business classes as well no matter what field of study they are considering.
Lastly I see you have asked lots of good questions in other posts but have been shot down and not received a welcoming response. I'm sorry for that. A lot of us come here to vent about our frustrations with the job, but that is not a reason to be unkind. Nursing can be flexible and you can work different shifts. I like 12 hrs and I generally get my preferred schedule, although I have to work every other weekend and every other holiday. Some places though do only every third weekend and some people are able to find coworkers to switch to get needed weekends and holidays off and yes the weekend option exists in some hospitals as well. Overtime is available in many places as well and some coworkers prefer to do agency for extra cash rather than overtime at the hospital they work once they gain some experience. Some do travel nursing which is great when you are young and free! We've even had nurses that have done travel assignments in Alaska and Hawaii! A nursing degree gives you the ability to get a job just about anywhere in the US! Where I work I get called for overtime frequently, while it's not my thing, there are plenty of young nurses that soak up the overtime and everybody is happy!
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