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... which is why we should all be planning for our own retirement. Not just saving money, but really making plans as to where we will live ... who will help us when we need help ... etc. We can't count on "the government" or "society" to make all the arrangements that need to be and provide all the services we would like to have. If left to strangers, our care will be provided in the most cost-effective way possible.
So if we want things to be a certain way, we need to make arrangments for that. We need to plan for ourselves -- and save the money necessary to cover the costs of the life we want to lead when we are very old.
I wish the woman in the OP well and hope she can find some happiness regardless of where she goes next.
Ironic male nurse wants to blame the crappy working conditions arising from the majority male corporate leadership on the female peon nurses! He's just mad and looking for someone to blame. It's not the female nurses fault. It is the takeover by ruthless corporations combined with virtually no unions to fight back for workers rights. National Nurses United is an exception and has brought about better working conditions and even a state mandated patient ratio in CA.
For what its worth I do speak up when I have to and it isn't pleasant. I usually win, but not always and don't have a union that has my back. I can tell you it is unpleasant to speak up and you are labeled a problem. Management is used to nurses doing their bidding without back talk. On top of that the corporate yahoos at the top have been on a firing spree this past year and many heads have rolled from peons transporters to supervisors and educators. I've watched the corporate yahoos fire two CNO's over the years because they weren't "corporate" enough, not tough enough, they were viewed as too sympathetic to the nurses so out the door they went with security escort! Management has no problem firing nurses!
Now that doctors work for hospitals they are facing the same problems we have dealt with and many are committing suicide over the stress and bad working conditions. It is an epidemic.
Many nurses flee the hospitals because of the working conditions so there is a perennial shortage of nurses. I would too if I could find a job that pays enough. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of good paying jobs left in America and we have many new nurses that have other failed degrees and more student loan debt just trying to find a living wage job!
Change is not going to come from the working nurses, many who are single mothers. It is only going to come from a powerful union and/or govt mandates like the safe needle act which finally gave us safe needles, only ten years after they were in existence. The problem is govt pays a lot of healthcare via medicare and medicaid and it knows safe staffing ratios will cost more plus hospitals have lots of money to lobby and buy off the politicians so there is a vested interest to not act!
Pot-stirring? I'm not stirring any pots. If you feel convicted by what I say, then go check yourself. If not, then don't worry about it. Society gives nurses a halo for a reason, and that reason is always and only found at the bedside. That's my opinion. If that embarrasses you or is a source of tension--I don't give a ....
I used to feel like the OP and take pride in being a floor nurse, but I've learned thru the years that it is overrated. I've come to realize we are overworked, stresssed, short staffed, mistreated and taken advantage of! Your choices are put up with it, move on either by looking for a different employer or type of nursing ie home health, clinic, etc or go back to school for an advanced degree. From those who have moved on many are still unable to find decent working conditions. Home health involves lots of unpaid time charting as well as the wear and tear of your car. I've learned if you go into dialysis nursing they will overwork you and mandate you into 16+ hour shifts as the for profits running the dialysis center refuse to hire adequate staff. I've heard some clinics are good but there aren't enough clinic jobs for all of us!
I think NP is the best bet if you enjoy learning. I don't see a problem with it being aligned with medicine because even as a nurse we use medical treatments in our job and frankly the NCP is a joke and waste of time! I'm not saying NP's have it made because they are still on the assembly line that healthcare is today, but it probably doesn't bother them as much as doctors because they've already experienced even worse working conditions at the bedside so for them it is a break!
I've come to realize the problem with bedside nursing is a combination of short staffing, too many alarms, too much physical hard labor, too high acuity and too many altered mental status patients. You spend your night chasing bed alarms trying to prevent weak or confused people from falling. The work itself is part of the problem, but management goes out of its way to make it even worse with the short staffing, lack of equipment, and overdocumentation.
For my part, I'm just looking forward to early retirement because I know things aren't going to get better, only worse! So honestly I don't think anyone in their right mind would plan to stay at the bedside!
Summit were you in the military? Years ago I took a class on Russia where they discussed the deterrence philosophy to prevent nuclear war. At the time the US was beginning to develop a nuclear missile defense system and it was viewed as a destabilizing force, yet I'm glad we now have it. Still I wouldn't want to have to rely on it because from what I've read it's not near 100% and some nuclear weapons would most likely get past it. I hope we never have to find out!
A sobering TV movie about nuclear war is The Day After from 1983. I graduated then and only saw it recently on youtube. A person's best chance for surviving without fatal radiation poisoning is to stay in a basement for several days with your own supply of food and water.
What's crazy is all the nuclear silo locations are public knowledge so our enemies would know where to strike to knock them out. Russians regularly do nuclear bomb alerts to prepare, whereas America hasn't mentioned any preparation or protective steps to take since the cold war ended until just recently.
I've read North Korea is poisoning its own people who are dying and mothers have miscarriages and birth defects in the area where he is doing all his nuclear testing. The contamination is going to spill over into South Korea and China and maybe Japan at the rate he's going.
The nuclear weapons of today are much more deadly and destructive than the ones that hit Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Russia has a bomb that could take out all of Texas or France. I wouldn't want to live in a post apocalyptic world. The dead would be the lucky ones!
It sounds like a one-sided friendship. She sounds like she has a borderline personality at best and possibly is a little sociopathic at worst. How did you two become friends because I as a rule avoid brown nosers and tattlers. The problem with having friends at work is the same as having a romantic relationship with a coworker, what happens if and when things go south and you still have to work together? You already know that she holds grudges, looks for dirt and tries to get her fellow coworkers in trouble if she can.
I would distance myself if I were you. If and when she decides she misses you, let her know she has hurt your feelings. Also that she put you in an impossible situation by pressuring you to disobey a direct order of your superior.
In the future I would try to keep your personal life and work life separate and if you do still interact or socialize with her be very careful about what you say and keep things safe and superficial. Personally I wouldn't be able to be friends with someone I couldn't trust and from what you've told me she is untrustworthy and can easily turn on you and become an enemy. That is not a real friend.
[QUOTE=raecudzy1;9688464]I am in dire need and need help.
I enrolled in an MBA degree because i want to be a clinic manager one day. I chose the MBA vs MSN/MHA because I do not have time to complete a practicum while I work full time, and do not know if dropping down would be an option for me between the company's needs but also because of my need to work full time for those full time paychecks. Also, most practicums are 150+ hours, and i doubt I could take 150 hours "off" during a semester.
Currently i work M-F full time in a family practice clinic as an RN Team Coordinator (this gives me experience supervising 4 LPNs/MAs). I know that to be a manager i need to put my time in as a nurse and gain more experience supervising (I just started this position in October).
Anywho, I enrolled in this MBA which is going to cost me about an extra $35,000 to pay off (in addition to my $60,000 debt already). I am in my first week of classes and I am already thinking to myself "what am I doing?!" I don't NEED this degree to become a clinic manager one day, i need to put in my time, gain experience, and this degree will take me about 2 years to complete anyways, it's not going to get me to becoming a manager SOONER.....
I made a hasty decision because I was unhappy and not confident at my job and made the decision to go back to school now while I'm younger but I thought to myself tonight, why not put in the experience and pick up some continuing education courses/classes and some nursing study books to FEEL more confident instead? Maybe I could take a few managerial/leadership courses but not necessarily an MBA.
So, now i am in this position of do i give it the "college try" and finish this course and see how it goes or drop now and get 100% refund back? My mind is kind of made already to be honest..... (drop now and get my full refund vs having to pay back $2,300 for this 3 credit course).
ANY advice is greatly appreciated, sorry for the long post. I really need advice from fellow RN's and managers.[/QUOTE
I would ask for a refund, get some more work experience and pay off your current student loans before going back for more. I'm sure you can find free leadership info on the internet or from books at the library before going back for an MBA. I don't think it will help you without relevant work experience unless you are going to a top tier ivy league college where corporations seek out new MBA grads and where the wealthy send their children. I personally believe a lot of college degrees are overrated and that a major ingredient to success is connections ie who you know more than what you know.
What's the hurry in going back to school? It will always be there and if you don't want to spend your life paying off student loans I would make paying them off a priority while getting on the job experience.
[QUOTE=Knotanoonurse;9688919]Ha Ha. I have considered dyeing my hair. It took a whole darn year to grow out. Honestly
I also thought about a wig for interviews really!!! I have only been off since March so there is no more of a gap than many folks have post birth. I appreciate your insights. Maybe some kind of temp dye???[/QUOTE
Dyeing your hair would probably help. Age discrimination is a problem in our society especially for women unfortunately. It may just take more time to find the job you are looking for. Best of luck in your job search!
Well. I was not at that level. My job was more of education/quality type of work. I did occasionally help on the unit which was fine with me. I think those type of people have a lot of connections. There are some great people in upper management, but also many fluffed up people. I had a nice salary and worked mostly days. I also did a lot of projects at home. I drive a cheap car and live in a semi detached house so I am not at that level. It frustrates me when I get interviewed by upper management who seem to want me to have a magic wand and be listed as lead author on ten nursing research articles. I genuinely care the patients' welfare and am passionate about what I do. Unfortunately, I don't have supernatural powers to persuade 50% of the staff to join the clinical ladder or exercise mind control over docs and mid levels with huge egos. I do envy the high level managers their confidence and ability to spin their stories!
When I was a new nurse I bent over backwards to please my coworkers. I would take the heaviest patients as charge and you know what, I wasn't appreciated or respected anyway. People can be petty and impossible to please and many times won't appreciate what you do instead take it for granted and disrespect you. I've learned to take care of myself, to create balanced assignments, but you don't have to take all the heavy patients. It is ok to delegate. I agree don't change an assignment unless your coworker has a legitimate issue ie a patient goes bad and is taking up more time so they need one less patient or simply help them as you are able. It could be as simple as passing meds. But you already know this nurse is lazy and manipulative and literally doesn't have your back as he walked away. I would have spoke up that you needed his assistance and he could go on break later, that safety takes priority.
By crying in front of him and apologizing to him you have shown yourself to be weak and easily manipulated. Never cry in front of someone, they won't have sympathy, rather it will embolden them and cause them to disrespect you. If you can't control your emotions, walk away and go cry in the bathroom alone.
It may simply be easier to transfer to another unit or hospital than try to change the situation you are in. Whatever you do you need to forget about what others think and stop trying to please everyone. I guarantee you people are impossible to please! Be pleasant say hi how are you doing, do you need any help but leave it at that, keep work separate from your personal life.
I can only say it is tough out there to find management jobs. We had two Chief Nursing Officers that were let go over the years and I followed them on Linked In. It took both of them about a year to secure another position and one had to relocate to a rural area far from her fancy expensive house. I mention this because they had been part of clinical ladder committee where they bragged about their $300-400,000 houses and in the next breath voted to demote a staff nurse with resulting pay cut of the clinical ladder. All I can say to that is what goes around comes around. I wonder what the supervisor is doing with her fancy house living in the middle of nowhere USA. Did she sell it or is she commuting. Too bad they had no compassion for the peon staff nurse who they were just so happy to cut her pay!
I had a supervisor that would speak to me with my last name only and I didn't appreciate that. Felt it was rude and disrespectful as the normal culture is to call people by their first name, but I never called her on it. Nor would I have a tantrum over it. Why not just call her by her first name? Problem solved.
No sockings for nurses , they over worship the doctors on my unit. They are more like a demigod here
The cost of living.. is what it is. It is an INDEX that measures differences in the price of goods and services. The value of your service depends on your location. I have made 60 bucks an hour in Hawaii, 25 bucks in Detroit.
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