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  • 2:03 pm

    Do NOT tell the BON. You will be referred to a monitoring program which is a fate I wish on no one

  • Apr 23

    Isn't the ANA supposed to be on our side? A giant pile of nothing is what their bill looks like. Without objective testable ratios these bills mean nothing

  • Apr 23

    The one has mandated ratio's the other DOES NOT, and furthermore, it doesn't give the actual bedside nurse performing the care a say. We need mandated ratios!

  • Apr 23

    ANA is worthless


  • Apr 23

    Try one of those $50 online background checks. My fingerprint check has 2 charges but my state checks are clear. It was military.
    If your background and state checks are clean, then you're good. If you tell them, they'll ask for a ton of paperwork and possibly deny you. Why risk it?

    In boot camp, we called this the "idiot test". If you got to boot camp...your background check was already approved. They sit the recruits in a classroom and a scary Chief comes in screaming about the 5 files he has on his desk for review. The nonexistant files are criminal records for liars in the room. This is your last chance to confess to crimes or it will be much worse if he has to find you. Every time a bunch of kids with expunged records admit to their convictions and end their military career before it even starts.

  • Apr 23

    Quote from Leader25
    The other poster asked what country and you have not replied.
    Huh? The OP has stated multiple times, including in his original post, that he is Iranian-American.

  • Apr 23

    I am a nursing student that is a mere 2 weeks away from completing my BSN, and I would like to offer my perspective to the OP. I'm not sure how your nursing school program is run, but at my school we had to pass a medical terminology/acronym test with a score of 90% before even thinking of starting clinical rotations. Also, before we ever took care of a patient we would come into the hospital the day before and gather pertinent information on the patient, go home and research the pathology, etiology, signs and symptoms, and potential complications of their conditions. We would further research the patient's medications, the class of medications, their safe dose ranges, their intended effects, and potential side effects. We would then formulate care plans using NANDA terminology. In later semesters we would create concept maps for patient care to help us to see the bigger picture. If you were given responsibility of patient care as a first semester student nurse without supervision and without performing your due diligence then both you and your program are at fault.

    NPO is an important order for many reasons ie dysphagia, or risk of emesis while under anesthesia for a procedure. As others have stated, your mistake may not have resulted in injury or death, but it is a mistake that you committed, and you need to take responsibility for that mistake and learn from it. It is not helpful for you to blame others. In my program a student would not be failed on clinical unless a serious error or pattern of errors were committed. Giving a patient water when they are NPO is unsafe practice, but I think whether a student is placed in "jeopardy" of being dismissed or is actually dismissed from the program in your situation would be weighed by faculty considering other factors as well. An apology over the error and vow not to commit a similar error again would probably have gone a lot farther than statements such as "other students and nurses make mistakes too" or "there are so many acronyms I can't remember them".

    As other posters have mentioned, it is unlikely you battle your way back into the program, and if you do it isn't likely to be a welcoming learning environment. Why would you even want to be in a program that you describe as rife with unfair, racist professors? I say take your lumps, learn from it, and start over in another program if you are fortunate enough to be accepted into one. Best of luck!

  • Apr 23

    OP, the vitriol expressed here saddens me. You made a mistake. I have no idea if you should or shouldn't have been kicked out. I wasn't there and I haven't heard the other side.

    OP has been attacked because he is or was assumed to be (1) male, (2) arab, and (3) Muslim. By the way folks, Iran has people of faiths other than Islam. The Iranian constitution recognizes and protects Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism, as well as Islam. And, OP never said he was born and raised in Iran. For all we know, he could be as connected to Iran as much as the American of European descent who says he's Irish-, Italian-, German-, etc. American. And, regardless of his gender, religion or national origin, there's nothing to show that these qualities resulted in some sort of inappropriate behavior at clinical.

    While I don't agree that the student who "almost" gave the patient is as wrong as he is (she might have realized her mistake before giving the water), the point I think he's trying to make is that he, as a presumed Muslim and Iranian-American is not being treated the same as a female (who is presumably Christian and Caucasian). For that point, I have no advice other than contact a lawyer. If true, it's not right. We need more diversity in nursing!

  • Apr 23

    Quote from lemood712
    Also, I do know what's going on with the other students involved because I've talked to them about it.
    You absolutely do NOT know the disciplinary actions received by other students. People lie. I experienced that in nursing school when another student and I did the same thing together at the same time snd she lied to me saying she was not suspended like I had been. When I said that to the dean of nursing and instructor, they got wide eyed and said "Oh THAT is what she told you, huh?" When I approached her with this, she admitted she lied and that yes, she was suspended. (It wasn't suspension, it was a serious disciplinary action that I don't quite recall....I think I've blocked things out from nursing school and have PTSD from it. It was BAD.)


    1. You made a mistake. Own it. If you hadn't taken the cup from the other student, that student very well could have stopped short of offering the water realizing the pt was NPO. She may have stopped herself from making a mistake, (we ALL have,) but you will never know, because YOU grabbed the water from her, and YOU actually gave it.

    2. I think being kicked out is too harsh a punishment. It was a serious error, don't get me wrong. So harsh that this leads me to believe that either you made previous errors and your last one was your final warning.....or you are actually being discriminated against.

    It will do NO good for you to keep obsessing about the other students in the room. As you can see, we learn very early on in nursing that not owning your mistakes only makes matters worse for you. It IS concerning that you didn't put your emphasis on your serious mistake. Instead you jumped right to, well others are at fault too. If I were an instructor, I would put a great deal of emphasis on your lack of ownership when considering punitive action. It speaks volumes of how you may proceed in the program and as a nurse. The ability to take ownership and learn from it.

    3. If all the race stuff WAS really said, I personally would be taking legal action. Thus, I would cease speaking or writing of this incident on any public forum. Good luck.

  • Apr 23

    Quote from Emergent
    I highly doubt that the sip of water was the core of the problem with the OP. On reading between the lines of of his sanitized account, his obnoxious and, probably, culturally insensitive behavior toward his classmates, was definitely a problem.

    Yes, people who come to America from other lands need to respect and adapt to OUR culture. This includes a cultural norm of treating women as equals. This is NOT the norm in many parts of the Middle East.

    He says he is Iranian-American. That country has definitely regressed into a religious oligarchy since the 1970s. Unfortunately, the Islamic world as a whole is at odds with Western values of individual freedom and autonomy for women.

    The OP needs to do some self-reflection on his attitudes in this regard. Retaining what Westerners regard as sexist attitudes in the United States will stunt the OPs progress.
    Dear Emergent,

    With all due respect for you, I politely ask you to re-think your attitude toward immigrants.

    People who made decision to leave their countries and cultures and come to another to live either already made a huge leap toward the society they are going to became a part of, or have parents who think alike. "Integration" doesn't mean "forgetting what you are". It means acceptance, and that must come from both sides to work.

    A man fresh from the culture you describe wouldn't even consider nursing as a profession, ever. Because he would know about working with, and under direction, of females and prtoviding menial bodily tasks (bed-making, cleaning, etc) for other females.

    I hope you do not think about me as a submissive, modest, borscht-slurping, vodka-gulping, balalaika-playing spy bomb girl just because I am from Russia

  • Apr 23

    The only questions here are

    1) Whether other first semester students who do similarly ignorant things are treated the same


    2) Whether the questioning about race/ethnicity/religion occurred

    Students do bonehead things all the time. First semester students basically shouldn't be doing anything without express permission, but they do, because they don't know what they don't know. And when reminded that they have to ask before any patient care, they say, "Well I know, but I didn't know that included just handing a patient something!" They "help" patients take off oxygen masks, help people get up out of bed, mess with equipment, and many other little offenses that are at least as significant as this one. So if this error is "all that" then frankly I would expect a lot of students to be getting kicked out.

    "Straw that broke the camel's back" is only legitimate if the party has been previously advised of every other piece of straw. If something wasn't a problem worthy of addressing earlier, then no fair later claiming that it is an offense that is now part of big load of offenses.

    I have no idea why people would veer off into personal race/ethinicity/religion questions at a time like this, but if they did I hope they are appropriately sanctioned.

  • Apr 23

    I was surprised as all get-out when my age became a topic of conversation during a job interview. One would think that everyone would be mindful of age discrimination and not court allegations. It wasn't until I figured out that the interviewer figured no one who wanted a job would dare complain. She was 100% right. I thought twice about trying to make a deal of it. People in positions of power usually know how far they can push things.

  • Apr 23

    I have read this thread with increasing incredulity. A student - lets repeat that - a student, made a mistake. A minor mistake, no-one died, no-one was harmed and he is getting kicked out of his clinicals?

    Everyone on this thread that has replied has demanded that he "take ownership," that it seems to be the crime of the century and that he basically deserves to be kicked out and never return.

    I am going to ask you my fellow Allnursers, where is the responsibility of the person who is supposed to be supervising these students?

    Students make mistakes, that's why they are learning but what is the first thing you all do? Jump on him and make it ALL his fault. Appalling way to behave.

    Well I am blaming the trained nurse who failed to do his/her job correctly. Students, especially first year students, need supervised.

  • Apr 23

    Quote from Emergent
    Seriously, does anyone think the college doesn't know that bringing up religion or national origin in a dismissal meeting is a number one legal no no?
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  • Apr 23

    I actually have no problem believing the OP when he says he was discriminated against. Racism is quite common in this country. I am not shocked in the slightest.

    And who here honestly thinks he should fail nursing school for administering a sip of water to someone who was NPO but allowed ice chips?

    Seriously. Not. A. Big. Deal.

    OP, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as you come across as a thoughtful and intelligent poster. If this happened as you say it did, I'm very sorry. There may certainly have been additional reasons why they were displeased with your performance that we aren't privy to. But if they're simply basing it on this mistake during clinical, I don't think that's fair. The criticism that you need to make eye contact is quite valid; however, that is probably something you could work on.