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Joined Jun 24, '02 - from 'Spokane WA'. lindarn is a RN. Posts: 2,031 (58% Liked) Likes: 5,934

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    RNBSN1000 likes this.

    How is that being played by administration? Nurses should be rewarded for earning a higher degree. The pay should be more than $0.50 or $1.00 per hour. We are letting administration play US, by encouraging the debate.

    As I stated in my letter, teachers are awarded with higher pay for advancing their education, no questions or quibbling about it, no hurt feelings.

    NURSES are the ones who have the problem. We should be demanding that the ANA make the BSN the ONLY entry into practice. Three levels of entry only serve to divide us. And that is what administration wants. Spare me the excuses, "well, I could not afford to go to a four year college, I am a single mother, i have a plethora of other excuses why I could not go to a four year college, blah, blah blah".

    All other health care professionals have at least a Bachelors Degree, if not a Masters Degree as entry into practice. I am sure many of them are single parents, have other issues but somehow manage to attend a four year program, if not a Masters Program. They receive far more respect than nurses, and out earn us by thousands! What is there to debate?

    No other health care profession has three levels of entry into practice. RECREATIONAL THERAPISTS have a four year Bachelors Degree as entry into practice!! Their job only to utilize a variety of modalities including arts and crafts, drama, music dance, sports, and games to enhance the quality of life. The pay range is $46,000 - 57,000 a year.

    None of which involves life and death situations on a daily basis. And they have a four year, Bachelors Degree as entry into practice, and their pay is comparable to nursing .

    When we have one entry into practice, that is a four year college degree, we can, in one voice, demand higher pay from administration. Our present pay level is based on a two year Associates degree education, not a four year Bachelors Degree.

    And that is what administration wants.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewher in the PACNW

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    As teachers earn higher college degrees, they earn more money. There is no quibbling about a difference in outcomes of students, They are receiving higher pay because they have earned a higher college degree, which is rewarded with higher pay.

    It never ceases to amaze me, how nurses can be against rewarding the effort to earn a higher college degree, and turn it into a debate about, 'outcomes". It is not about outcomes, it is about improving the standards of a profession.

    It is the same argument, " i don't have the drive to earn a higher college degree, or i have a plethora of excuses why I haven't".

    Because I don't want to put forth the extra effort to improve myself academically, i don't want to reward someone else, who does.

    This all comes from hospitals who want to find every excuse not to pay nurses more, or encourage other nurse to earn BSNs.

    The last thing hospitals want is to give nurses a reason to e unified under one educational pathway, and have to pay them more.

    The ANA is really at the bottom of this. The BSN should have been made the entry into practice, 40 years ago. It is the ANA, and their connection to the AMA, and Hospital Association, that prevents them from taking this much needed step.

    There is NO reason that nursing needs three entry levels into practice. The BSN should be the entry level degree for RNs, and a two year Associates Degree, should be the level of education into practice, for LPN/LVNs.

    It is not education creeping, it is improving the level of education for nurses. Nursing suffers from an Image problem, much of which, is the public impression, that we have/need, only a minimum level of education to be a nurses, which prevents us from demanding higher wages, better benefits,and working conditions, with the support of the public.

    It is a hard sell to the public and to administration, that a nurse with only a two year Associates Degree, should earn a professional salary, benefits, and respect, as someone with a two year associates degree in basket weaving.

    WE know what we do, and how important it is, but if they can continue to devalue what we do, (which is an easy thing to do, when too many nurses enter the profession with a blue collar trailer trash degree, or so they want to believe).

    It is the, image of nursing, with three entries into practice, with only one being a four year college degree, that continues to allow this.

    Hospitals will never pay more unless it is a decree from the ANA, which they do not want to do. We play into their hands, by not demanding that the ANA make the BSN the entry into practice, with the grandfathering in of ADNS and Diploma grads, with no penalty for not going back for a BSN.

    If the ANA makes it a requirement, then hospitals will have to offer the classes, free of charge, and on campus in the hospital, and nurses will not have to go back an earn a BSN to continue to practice, just like they did for pharmacists.

    Just my usual, NY $0.02
    Lindarn, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    ejnjj143 and Jrmarshall27 like this.

    I believe that Eastern State, (a psych hospital), Lakeland Village, and Airway Heights Correction Center, have recently been advertising for nurses.

    These are ALL STATE JOBS, WITH VERY GOOD PAY AND BENEFITS!! They are also unionized!

    You even can pick up the bus in Downtown Spokane, (under the train tracks), and take the bus to work. You can buy a monthly bus pass. Parking under the train tracks is FREE!

    Look up, Washington State Jobs. The VA, is also hiring.

    Housing in Spokane is very reasonable.

    Go to Craigslist. go to, "Real Estate", and look up houses that are for sale.

    Washington State has NO STATE INCOME TAX!!

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN(ret)

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    SororAKS likes this.

    Did any of the above nurses retain an attorney to find their termination?

    If they did not, then they deserve to get fired for no reason, and let the hospital get away with it.

    If physicians are terminated without just cause, they show up with their attorney in tow, and truly fight back.

    This is the reason that nurses are walked all over, because the PTB, know that it is a rare nurse who will fight back.

    Spare me, "lawyers cost alot of money, and I can't afford it".

    If you have a good case, and the attorney will decide if you do, he/she, will take the case on contingency. If win, they get a part of your settlement, if you lose, they, and you, get nothing.

    It is worth it to call a lawyer. They usually offer a free consultation, so you have nothing to lose it they don't want to take you case.

    However, if you believe that you have a good case, don't stop at just consulting with one attorney. Call others, and see if they will.

    JMHO and my NY $0.02
    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    sevensonnets likes this.

    Is, "Dubin's Rapid Interpretation of EKG's", still in print?


    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    If nurses are looking for a business to open, how about opening a Medical Supply Company/Store?

    It would take some capitol, but you can get a Small Business Loan.

    Not sure how to start/open, a business, call the Small Business Association. They are happy to give advice about opening business, and can point you in the right direction for many things.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    babymich_0922 likes this.

    Washington State has jobs openings, for those who are looking for a job.

    Coulee Medical Center, in Washington State, has multiple openings for RNs in Acute Care, LTS, OB, and in the Rural Health Clinic for ARNPs. They have a new facility that was built in 2011.

    They are offering a $6000 Recruitment and Retention bonus, with a 2 year commitment, $2000 to be paid after completion of 90 days, and $2000 to be paid after 12 months of employment, and the remainder paid after 24 months of employment.

    This is a rural, critical, access hospital. Must have valid, Washington State RN License.

    I believe that there are also RN openings, in Spokane, Washington, The Airway Heights Correctional Facility, and in Lakeland Village, a facility for the Developmentally Delayed.

    The Correctional Facility, and Lakeland Village, are Washington State jobs with great pay, and great State Benefits!! And they are also union jobs!

    Also, for those who are interested in Psych, Eastern State Hospital, also has RN openings. Again, this is a Washington State job, with State benefits, pay, and is a union job.

    Hope this helps those who are looking for jobs.

    Washington is a great state to live in, we have NO STATE INCOME TAX IN WASHINGTON!! It is uncrowded, has good schools, including a FREE, K-12, on-line, public school, which is fully accredited, and taught by licensed, Washington State teachers. It is considered another public school option, that is why it is free.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)

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    The issue is not the value of nursing. The issue is, that hospitals want to continue their control over the nursing profession.

    What better way to control us, than to continue to deny our worth. As long as our professional practice is rolled into the room rate, housekeeping, and the complimentary roll of toilet paper, we will never have worth.

    We are nothing but an item in the, "expense", column on the balance sheet.
    And hospitals want it to stay like that.

    As long as we have no worth, they can deny that we deserve higher pay, benefits, and better working conditions. The studies from the IOM, concerning safe nurse staffing, and better patient outcomes have been available for years.

    Why are nurses not screaming this to the public, having rallies in a very public place, with the TV news, the papers, media, there to get the word out??

    Deliberate short staffing is a major public health concern, and should be treated as such.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    And as we say in Brooklyn, that and $0.50, will get you a get you on the subway. In other words, is is meaningless.

    There is no reason that when nurses earn specialty certifications,that there should not be any monetary reward for doing so.

    It really burns my buns, when I hear nurses say that specialty certifications should not be given any monetary reward. And that more education should not be rewarded with a higher salary.

    Physicians who earn specialty certifications, and become board certified, demand top dollar for this. Why shouldn't nurses be given monetary compensation for earning specialty certifications, specialty certifications that may cost lots of money to maintain, cost of the CEU'S to maintain thees certifications, etc.

    Unfortunately, too many nurses are not motivated to improve themselves, and resent nurses who do. They whine about, well, we all do the same job, blah. blah, blah, (no we don't), many jobs require a more specialized, skill set, some jobs come with increased responsibility, risk to our licenses, etc. and this should come with a higher salary.

    THIS is why specialty nursing needs to be paid a higher salary. I am sorry if you feelings are hurt, but that is the truth.

    And no, being able to juggle 10 patients as opposed to ICU who has one or two is not the same specialty skill set. Advanced knowledge, and nursing skills should be rewarded.

    Time management is not a specialty skill. Time management is learned on the job. It is not a skill that is learned from education and advanced training. Doctors charge more for their specialized skills, why not nursing?

    I am not talking about a few pennies, or, "attaboys", as compensation. Go tell the neuro-surgeon, or the cardiac or renal transplant surgeon, that he/she, should charge the same as a GP , or Family Practice doctor. They would run you out of town, for even thinking that.

    More education and training should equal more money.Teachers all get paid more for more education, why not nursing? Because too many nurses need to validate their self worth and self importance, by denying that more education should earn a nurse, more money.

    Just my 0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    I donr know what to tell you. You have the job at Deaconess. Go work there. keep a low profile, stay under the radar.

    There are nurses there that have worked there for years. Do not compare Deaconess to where you used to work, even if the conditions and equipment seem antiquated. They are very sensitive to being seen as out of date to other hospitals.

    The nurses are not unionized, but other departments are. The nurses are very anti union, They had voted in SEIU several years ago, with other departments, when Empire Health sold out to Community Health of Tennesee, a VERY anti union company from the South.

    The nurses were not happy for some reason with SEIU, and Community Health was more than happy to help them vote them out.

    What cam I say??

    Do your best, just go to work. The older nurses are horrible to nurses who go to work there from somewhere else. Don't take their crap. Give it right back. If you appear weak, they will pounce on you like a shark circling a wounded fish.

    Good luck! PM me when you get in town, we can get together.

    Have you found a place to live yet?

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    OUonly, ksrose1, rnICU303, and 37 others like this.

    Nurses need to unionize en masse with the National Nurses United, and seize control over our profession.

    The PTB will not relinquish control voluntarily. We have to take it ourselves.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    herring_RN likes this.

    Has any one called the Labor Board?

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN, (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    I am retired AF Reserve. I commissioned in 1988 to be a Flight Nurse in California, went to Flight School n Texas, met my now ex husband, got married, moved to Spokane.

    Transferred to the 40th AES at McChord AFB in Tacoma. Had a baby, in 1990. Desert Storm happened, got activated, left an 8 month old daughter with my husband, and one of his sisters, who flew in from Buffalo, to help him take care of my daughter while I was gone.

    There are no words to describe what it was like to hand over your baby to your husband, and go off to war. Our First Sergeant peeled my daughter out of my hands, and handed her over to him.

    Got to see a little of Europe while I was there. Got to, "combat shop", all over Europe while I was there. Would not trade the experience for anything.

    I survived. We survived. Had baby number 2 after I got back. Just retired from the AFR after 25 years of service.

    My dad fought under Patton in WWII. He fought in the Battle of the Bulge under Patton. He was in the infantry. They slept under the Half Track tanks at night. My dad did not like sleeping with his boots on, and would take them off at night. His buddies warned him not to take them off, in case they came under attack at night. He was 19, knew every thing, thought that he was bullet proof, and ignored them.

    Well one night, they got attacked. All of the soldiers ran out from under the half track to return fire. As everyone slid out from under the tank, my dad's boots got knocked out from under the tank. He had the common sense, not to stick his head out from under the tank to find his boots, and just side his hand out from under the tank, to feel around to where his boots were. He said that he could feel the bullets hitting the ground, by his fingers, spraying dirt all over the place and all over his hands. They were so hot, they burned his fingers. He said that one bullet fell so close to his hands that he felt the heat of the bullet as it flew past his hand and hit the ground.

    He survived, or I would not be here to write this.

    He died in 2000. I wish that the government had built the WWII Memorial in Washington DC a few years earlier. I would have loved to take him there to see it.

    I did some traveling during Desert Storm, as I was stationed in Germany. Went to the American Cemetery in Luxembourg, and saw Patton's Grave. I took a picture of it, and sent it to my dad.

    When the movie,"Patton", came out, my dad had not taken my mom to the movies in YEARS!! When the movie came out, he was the first in line, at the Kings Highway Theater in Brooklyn to see it!!

    I got him a copy of the movie, when it came out in tape.

    What can I say? I enjoyed my time in the military. Was looking forward to being deployed to Iraq if they needed me. Signed up, but was constantly on profile because of my bad knees, and needing foot surgery.

    Would do it again in a NY minute.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN(ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    Stick with the AALNC.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)
    Somewhere in the PACNW

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    The bon's are out control.


    Lindarn, rn, bsn, ccrn,(ret)
    somewhere in the pacnw


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