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Why don't people take LPNs seriously? - page 13

I understand that as "nurses", we're the bottom of the food chain. I don't want to sound like a cry baby or put myself or other LPNs on a pedestal but I'm tired of people with the "you're just an LPN... Read More

  1. Visit  tanna898 profile page
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    Quote from sidroc

    So scholarly journals are now not sources of reliable information? I will remember that on the next big breakthrough in medical technology and I expect you to call it wrong.
    You missed my point entirely. Get out of your box and open your mind. And yes I probably will question the study if it is bias or to narrowly focused. Just because it made it to a journal doesn't make it the gospel. That's why they are peer reviewed and questioned and commonly discredited.
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  2. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from sidroc
    First of all, How I got my sources is not of concern the information contained is. My ProQuest account is currently inaccessible so I did the best I could.
    Use Google Scholar.

    Second, they directly address the problem of RN staff vs LPN and other staff.
    No, they don't.

    Thirdly, if I gave you a study that said not being turned Q2 is associated with skin problems, you wouldn't be telling me that correlation is not causation. Thats a copout.
    That's a straw man argument.

    When you make a statement of fact here, it's really expected that you've done your homework and can readily point us in the direction of actual links to real information from unbiased sources. You've done none of that. If you aren't willing to have some integrity behind your pronouncements, just don't make them.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Aug 15, '12 : Reason: add link to Google Scholar
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  3. Visit  tothepointeLVN profile page
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    Quote from sidroc
    I can post more later if wanted.
    Ahh the old cherry picking the quotes. The reality is your still a student and don't really know what your talking about half the time. You've never been a nurse of any kind and your high on the possibility of your future that you think its a great idea to come onto a public forum and insult a whole class of nurses many of whom despite your "studies" you'll be working alongside

    You originally stated the only reason you were a CNA was because there was a "law" in WA making you so your "quotes" are not credible. Also these studies are all very old and may well be out of date.
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  4. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    No, it's not a cop out, because correlation and causation are two different things. Facilities that tend to have higher percentages of RNs ALSO tend to have more resources, more money and better staffing ratios. I'm sticking with LTC facilities, cause that's what I know.
    A facility that can afford to have a "charge nurse" who's not passing pills and doing treatments will OF COURSE have better outcomes. Of course a facility with nurses dedicated to nothing but being "in
    charge" will have more RNs versus other staff. They also probably have more LPNs versus other staff, too. Higher RN ratios equal fewer med errors? Ha! More RNs versus what, med techs? More RNs per resident? Again, this proves nothing. Now, show me a study that EXPLICITLY shows that a RN has fewer med errors or can treat a bedsore better with the EXACT SAME RESOURCES or STAFFING RATIO as a LPN, then you might have a point.....
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  5. Visit  sidroc profile page
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    Quote from nursel56
    Use Google Scholar.

    Second, they directly address the problem of RN staff vs LPN and other staff.

    No they don't.

    Thirdly, if I gave you a study that said not being turned Q2 is associated with skin problems, you wouldn't be telling me that correlation is not causation. Thats a copout.
    That's a straw man argument.

    When you make a statement of fact here, it's really expected that you've done your homework and can readily point us in the direction of actual links to real information from unbiased sources. You've done none of that. If you aren't willing to have some integrity behind your pronouncements, just don't make them.[/QUOTE]

    How do they not address it? Do tell.

    The burden of proof is on you to disprove the findings of the study. I have quoted straight back to scholarly journals and the articles can easily be found with the information given.
  6. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    So you really think that you, as a student, know more than ALL of us other, experienced nurses who disagree with you? You don't see anything wrong with that?
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    Thread closed for staff review. It may or may not be reopened later. A wide variety of opinions and experiences have been shared throughout these pages.

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