Why don't people take LPNs seriously? - page 13

I understand that as "nurses", we're the bottom of the food chain. I don't want to sound like a cry baby or put myself or other LPNs on a pedestal but I'm tired of people with the "you're just an LPN... Read More

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    No, it's not a cop out, because correlation and causation are two different things. Facilities that tend to have higher percentages of RNs ALSO tend to have more resources, more money and better staffing ratios. I'm sticking with LTC facilities, cause that's what I know.
    A facility that can afford to have a "charge nurse" who's not passing pills and doing treatments will OF COURSE have better outcomes. Of course a facility with nurses dedicated to nothing but being "in
    charge" will have more RNs versus other staff. They also probably have more LPNs versus other staff, too. Higher RN ratios equal fewer med errors? Ha! More RNs versus what, med techs? More RNs per resident? Again, this proves nothing. Now, show me a study that EXPLICITLY shows that a RN has fewer med errors or can treat a bedsore better with the EXACT SAME RESOURCES or STAFFING RATIO as a LPN, then you might have a point.....
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    Quote from nursel56
    Use Google Scholar.

    Second, they directly address the problem of RN staff vs LPN and other staff.

    No they don't.

    Thirdly, if I gave you a study that said not being turned Q2 is associated with skin problems, you wouldn't be telling me that correlation is not causation. Thats a copout.
    That's a straw man argument.

    When you make a statement of fact here, it's really expected that you've done your homework and can readily point us in the direction of actual links to real information from unbiased sources. You've done none of that. If you aren't willing to have some integrity behind your pronouncements, just don't make them.[/QUOTE]

    How do they not address it? Do tell.

    The burden of proof is on you to disprove the findings of the study. I have quoted straight back to scholarly journals and the articles can easily be found with the information given.
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    So you really think that you, as a student, know more than ALL of us other, experienced nurses who disagree with you? You don't see anything wrong with that?
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    Thread closed for staff review. It may or may not be reopened later. A wide variety of opinions and experiences have been shared throughout these pages.

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