Tired of Hearing the One Year Experience Required Line!! - page 3
by MalzANurse25 14,025 Views | 60 Comments
So like many of you on here I am a new graduate seeking that ever so hard to get 1st job!! But if I hear the You need one year of experience line again I just might lose my mind!! LOL I mean one guy from an agency even... Read More
- 5Aug 30, '12 by wish_me_luckI understand where you are coming from, Brandon. But you have to realize one thing--some facilities do not count CNA or LPN experience. Think of all of the LPNs transitioning to RN and they can't find work because their experience doesn't count. I sure as heck think it does but apparently to hiring managers, it means squat.
- 3Aug 30, '12 by Inorikeep on the job search, look up every single facility, hospital, LTC, rehab, prision, scour jobs, "cyberstalk" er research facilities to get names and contact them. HR is just one way in after all the chain of viewers is HR>DON>Nurse Manager>Head nurse somethign like that so you can get your resume to people that fit somewhere in the chain. Technique is: Send, Follow up by Phone, letter, send again. Each place of interest should get a follow up from you every 1-2 weeks ok i've neglected that as well. Keep on applying, network, volunteer, leave no stone unturned.
Find something to keep the stress off, workouts, jog, get out of the house, f hobbies and maintain a regular schedule just as if you would be at work. You're giving your self something to aim for, and build confidence. That positive glowy confidence will come across in interviews and thats what you want.
most states do not allow RNs to work as CNAs, nor should you do it even if the facility says its ok because guess what? the law says that you will be held to the standards of your highest license. Meaning that even though its not your job as CNA to do X but should somethigh happen to pt you'll be responsible as if you're teh RN. I will find other ways of paying the bills because I worked too hard for this license to lose it and I haven't even used it yet as nurse.
It's doable you just need 1 job, that job exists, someone out there will give you a break. My goal was to send out as many resumes as needed hit up every single hopsital, facility, nursing home hell why not start with goal of 1000 resumes. Just like you were studying for nclex, consistency is key, every day you must send out resumes, call and meet people. I'm up to 200-250 and have a job offerLast edit by Inori on Aug 30, '12
- 2Aug 30, '12 by MedChicaThere's doctor's office LPN jobs where I am. It says previous experience PREFERRED, not mandatory. The minimum qualification is license and training from a program.
You're that much more valuable if you have experience - ANY kind of health experience - over someone with none.
LVN transition to RN?
In any given situation, some won't have issues doing this, that and the other...while others will.
This one fails. This one succeeds.
Your 'personal mileage' may vary.
I'm aware that some hiring managers won't agree that it counts. I understand that it's difficult for some to make the transfer, too. Only 1 that I know, but it was good to see the situation from his perspective. That's all that you need: To be aware...and if you're aware? You can plan for the bumps in the road. You can look for ways around them or over them. You can see what those who went before you did wrong...and improve your chances.
Risk is something to be managed, not avoided.
I chose the LVN path because it made the most sense. I'm not worried about the situation or being unable to make the transition.
I have the smarts. Yeah - but it takes more than that to be successful.
I have a LOT of common sense. LOL
I'm resourceful. I'm pretty d*mned crafty. I can schmooze the pants off you...and I network like a Black Ninja!
I have contacts in the hospital (in Houston) and the VA (though I doubt I'll 'go there'. I can't deal with the military right now. LOL).
Some people naturally play the game better than others....
Quote from kabooskiBrandon there is a different thought process between yourself and others. You view Nursing as vocational, like electricians ... where you learn on the Job and progress to be an electrician . I consider RN to a "professional" position on par with other "college" educated professionals, where their was zero prior knowledge or experience needed.
So, LVNs aren't 'professional'? So...electricians aren't 'professionals'? So, no one else in the hospital is a professional EXCEPT the BSNs, MSNs and docs?
How strange that an nurse would look down on another for not having a college degree? My aunts, who've been nursing for 25-40 years, don't have degrees. They are professionals.
It's experience that makes the health care professional. It's the same no matter where you go in the hospital.
I don't have a degree...at the moment. LOL
Yet, I was a professional as a rad manager. I was a professional as a rad and CT tech. I was a professional as a Certified Nurse Aide.
That title does not come from a slip of paper. I daresay that a TRUE professional would require a degree to feel legitimate and worthwhile, in the first place.
Of course, I'm not anti-education but people with this mentality really do need to get over themselves. LOL
I'll tell you what I think about "college" educated learning:
All of that "college" educated learnin' and what's it amount to - what's it represent - but $60,000 down the damned drain for the lot of 'em. LOL These people have Bachelor's degrees and a curious portion of these BSNs (apparently) still don't know how to research their job market, how to differentiate between a good source and not, etc....and that learnin' is taught as one of the 'basics'. Among the first classes that you take in College, i.e., Professional Development and Critical Thinking, etc...and reinforced throughout. Being a better 'thinker' is half the point in even going TO college!
...and heck yes, I'm gonna talk about them! LOL Why not?
For one, it's funny. Secondly, its true...and it's ridiculous.
If they're not going to pay attention in class, why even go to school? Buy a home with their would-be tuition funds, get their diplomaor ADN and high-tail it to ALLNURSES...where we, the non-degreed, are more than happy to 'spoonfeed' them for free...!
- 0Aug 30, '12 by GonnaAmazeYouI love this thread, because I sometimes feel like everyone else who has posted on here. Worked so hard in school, now want a job blah blah blah...but REALITY check looking for a job for 2-8 months makes ABSOLUTE sense, even though it is annoying/frustrating/depressing/demotivating/demoralizing and Annoying! Think about it, no matter what career you choose you usually have to intern, or start as an assistant or whatever but in nursing you might go through a new grad program, but probably just a 4-12 week preceptorship and then you are on your own... so facilities have to hire strategically. They need to make sure they have enough experienced nurses to not only maintain patient care, but to orient the new grads as well!! And of course WHO YOU KNOW is important, that is with ANY job, unless it is a government job that you have to test and wait 6-12 months for(check out usajobs.com there are plenty to apply and wait on)... taking a job in LTC or SNF is not a "step down" -- I mean c'mon you do not graduate law school and get a job as the District Attorney, you have to DO YOUR TIME... so do it, happily, and appreciate the experiences you have WHEREVER you work whether it is for a shot clinic, SNF, LTC, SAF, etc etc etc ... once you start working you will have plenty of years to land that "DREAM JOB" so for now just keep your head up, keep plugging away at those applications and take any experience you can get!! If you did not get into the New Grad program for whatever facility, SMILE and LAUGH knowing that once you get your one or two years experience you can REAPPLY as an EXPERIENCED nurse and request relocation expenses, debt forgiveness, sign on bonuses ETC ETC ETC and you can get more sign on bonuses YEARLY-- if you go through the new grad program at your "Dream Hospital" you will sign a 2-3 year commitment contract and NO BONUSES!!! So in the end, in a couple years you are really much better off working your way up and changing facilities every couple years versus landing that dream job on your first interview. I have heard of nurses who work for the same facility for 5-10 years and make less than someone who is a new hire from another facility with 3-5 years experience because those new hires had higher salary requirements and they were also offered incentives/sign on bonuses of 5-10k/year.
- 0Aug 30, '12 by joanna73 GuideI also didn't want to start working as a CNA or an LPN, and this is not because I don't value these roles. I do, very much so. I decided to return to school to get my BSN after having worked for 20 years. The career path people choose is personal. Fortunately, I didn't have as many hurdles as a new grad because I spent 3.5 years working clinicals on various medicine floors. If we weren't able to perform basic skills, the faculty informed us we would be held back. So the problem is too many nursing schools not preparing students, NOT the fact that one should work as a CNA or an LPN first.
- 3Aug 30, '12 by simonemesinaQuote from BrandonLPNI have to disagree with this. I worked 8 years in a small ER soaking up anything and everything any of my RN's or Dr's would teach me. Granted I have no "hands on" experience, I can successfully walk through chest tubes, full codes, trauma codes, cardiac protocols, and stroke protocols. I know "theoretically" how to cath a pt, start and IV, place a NG tube, and a PICC line. I spent 2 years in a large facility working in the Education Department, TEACHING incoming staff hospital specific protocols and leading their PBDS classes. I've assisted with teaching ACLS and PALS and I'm a CPR Instructor. I know more about nursing than most of the CNA's I know. I've helped where I can during most everything and anything that came in to "my" ER. I know how to read a basic EKG and most lab results. I've had to deal with families during a code, after a pt passes, and pretty much anytime they are scared, confused, or just plain don't know what's going on. Even so, I don't have a CNA or a LPN, so does that make me less deserving of a spot in school? No.This is why I feel nursing school should mandate experience in nursing as a requirement to enter the program. No one should be allowed to enter a LPN program without having worked for a year as a CNA. And make a year of LPN experience a mandatory requirement to enter any RN program. The cumulative knowledge would make the new grad at every level a better nurse and would eliminate having new grads with zero experience.
- 1Aug 30, '12 by mschrisRNAnother avenue to investigate is Long Term Acute Care (LTACH). I graduated in May 2011 and couldn't find a job; I kept hearing "We love your personality and we'd love to have you, but we only hire with one year experience." I finally happened upon an LTACH in my city that will hire new grads and give them orientation/training on the floor. I won't lie, it's grueling work, but you won't find any better experience. I have experience with vented patients, chronic trachs, vent weans, paraplegics/quads, s/p CVA/STEMI/NSTEMI, PEGs, PICCs, chronic wounds, wound vacs, ostomy care, and we do our own phlebotomy so lots of experience with periph. sticks and IV starts. Another thing to consider is the nurse to patient ratios are much lower than they are in LTC. I am 1:3 in the ICU, 1:4 or 5 on Stepdown, and 1:6 to 8 (8 usually when I'm covering an LPN) on the Second (Complex Medical) Floor. It's not my dream job (I'm an OB girl through and through and want to get my Master's in Midwifery) but it's experience. I will have my year in January; then I'm hitting the resume' circuit again. Good luck!
- 2Aug 30, '12 by tnmarieQuote from Cold StethoscopeI applied for jobs across several states and not just over the internet. I drove to various cities and stayed in town applying for jobs. I don't know anyone else had a similar experience, but I didn't want to sign a lease without a job but employers didn't want to hire you without a local address (kind of like the inability to get a job with out experience conundrum). I was also told from a friend in HR that a lot of time employers don't want to fool with out of state references when they have numerous applicants in state so they just toss your application in the discard pile.Before I'd consider applying to a known terrible place to work, I'd consider relocating somewhere jobs were more numerous, if at all possible, as the poster above suggested.
You should definitely try relocation if you can swing it, but beware that it can add more obstacles in many cases.
- 0Aug 30, '12 by MalzANurse25Just a heads up but Employers dont consider PCT or CNA jobs as experience so keep looking dont give up!!! And from some stories Ive heard from classmates its sometimes even harder to get those jobs because you will get questions like "what if a nursing job comes along are you going to leave this position?" So its risky but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to get a job! GOOD LUCK!!Last edit by MalzANurse25 on Aug 30, '12