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| No. 10 |
Oct 01, 2005, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by siri Hello, EllenRNPHN,
I apologize for the late reply to this question.
I took the 6 day apprenticeship. The two day apprenticeship is full of marketing tips. A rather large class as well. The 6 day apprenticeship has only 6 students in the class. A one-on-one experience, too. FULL of wonderful tips for marketing. You have a very experienced CLNC who has his/her own office set up for you to walk through and take notes to learn how to do your own office, if that is the way you want to practice. She/he gives you pointers on the library you need in order to practice. How to utilize the VAST website for research during a case development. Just many valuable marketing tips for you. Ask a question as a group or personally.
You actually go to the court room and sit in on a trial with jury regarding medical malpractice. You witness a deposition. You get to work on your own case, too.......with feedback from the instructor. At the end of the apprenticeship, you will have completed a review for merit, experienced how to sort through the medical record and place into "chart format". Review and apply the deviation/s from SOC. Name all players involved. Utilize a template on the method of reporting you choose. Create an affidavit, request for production, recommendations to the attorney-client, interject the CLNC's findings, complete a time table........You will learn how to bill your client, fees, keep with your billable time, year-to-date summary, etc.
You are given the templates for ALL this and more. Yes, the 6 day is more expensive, but, it was the best money I spent.
At the end of the apprenticeship, you will have made at least 3 three attorney-client contacts and have at least one interview for you to do when you get back home. You learn how to get past the "gate-keeper". THAT alone is half the battle when you want to talk to the attorney.
As for issues like business cards, resume, your own personal website, etc..........the CLNC instructor will assist you with this as well. Bring samples of your marketing package for review.
I highly recommend this to any CLNC who really desires to know how to market her/himself AND have the experience of completing that first, crucial malpractice case. This goes into your marketing package, I might add. Gives you that valuable first case to show your attorney/client when you have a face-to-face encounter and he/she wants to see a sample of a case that you have completed!!
Good luck and again, I apologize for the lateness of this reply.
Please, let me know how you are faring with this and if you want to pm me, I am here.
Siri, CRNP, CLNC, RLNC
Siri,
Your information is so valuable. I just completed the CLNC certification and I am wondering if it would be worth it to do the 2 day apprenticeship, rather than the private apprenticeship? Would either one be beneficial as the other? It is a very expensive few days.....
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Oct 01, 2005, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by margoclnc Siri,
Your information is so valuable. I just completed the CLNC certification and I am wondering if it would be worth it to do the 2 day apprenticeship, rather than the private apprenticeship? Would either one be beneficial as the other? It is a very expensive few days.....
Hello, margoclnc,:Melody:
Great. I am so glad to meet another CLNC. So, you have heard regarding the exam?
I took the 6 day apprenticeship. Yes, it is quite steep, but, such valuable information you receive. Upon completion, you actually have completed a case and can use this in your marketing package. You receive first hand advice from a successful CLNC and you learn how to set up your office, do a case from review for merit, all contracts involved, just about anything you can think of. You go to court and observe a med mal case. See/hear a deposition, etc. You will leave from here with at least 1 interview with an attorney. I had 3 interviews set up before I left the apprenticeship.
If you take the 2 day course, it is marketing and how to write a case, but, you do not get to have a case for your packet. The expense is about the same, too. I know less time means less expense such as motels, food, air fare, etc.
The 6 day apprenticeship is only 6 students and 1 instructor. So, you receive 1 on 1 time. The 2 day is more than 100 students, so you would not have that 1 on 1 experience.
You can pm me with questions, or, just stay here and ask. Maybe we can help others. If you have personal questions, do not hesitate to pm me.
Good to talk to you.
| | No. 12 |
Oct 07, 2005, 03:23 AM
Originally Posted by mlwRN considering starting the legal nurse consulting program through kaplan university... any input about their program or LNC in general? also thought about forensic nursing...perhaps both?
Hey mlwRN,
I took the Vicki Milazzo 6 day course. There are some LNCs in our local chapter that went through Kaplan's course (no negative comments from any of them). I am currently enrolled in Kaplan's Forensic Nurse program. I love it. I plan to concentrate on Criminal Cases (domestic violence, child/elder abuse, sexual assault/abuse, and Wrongful death). I'm an Independent consultant and marketing myself is part of my daily routine. I carry extra packets and business cards with me everywhere I go.
legalnurse22 RN, CLNC
| | No. 13 |
Oct 07, 2005, 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by legalnurse22 Hey mlwRN,
I took the Vicki Milazzo 6 day course. There are some LNCs in our local chapter that went through Kaplan's course (no negative comments from any of them). I am currently enrolled in Kaplan's Forensic Nurse program. I love it. I plan to concentrate on Criminal Cases (domestic violence, child/elder abuse, sexual assault/abuse, and Wrongful death). I'm an Independent consultant and marketing myself is part of my daily routine. I carry extra packets and business cards with me everywhere I go.
legalnurse22 RN, CLNC
Hello, legalnurse22,:Melody:
It is a challenge to keep up that aggressive market plan, is it not?
About how many cases do you do each month??
| | No. 14 |
Oct 27, 2005, 09:00 AM
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Oct 27, 2005 at 09:27 AM by sirI
Re: Lnc
I too am a graduate of Vicky's LNC program. I took my training in Chicago in May of 2004 and have been working successfully as a full-time CLNC since Oct. 2004. I love it! She prepares you well for what this profession requires. "As nurses, we can do anything" is Vicky's motto and she is right. I am a successful CLNC.
Cheryl, RN, RAC-C, CLNC
CD Medical-Legal Consulting, LLC
| | No. 15 |
Oct 27, 2005, 09:01 AM
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Oct 27, 2005 at 09:36 AM by sirI
Re: Lnc
Siri:
What does the RLNC after your CLNC mean? I have been looking into LNCC certification v. CLNC. LNCC is recognized ANSB, but CLNC is not and I find that difficult to understand. So, I was just curious what RLNC stands for.
Thanks,
Cheryl, RN, RAC-C, CLNC
| | No. 16 |
Oct 27, 2005, 10:01 AM
Re: Lnc Originally Posted by iaclnc Siri:
What does the RLNC after your CLNC mean? I have been looking into LNCC certification v. CLNC. LNCC is recognized ANSB, but CLNC is not and I find that difficult to understand. So, I was just curious what RLNC stands for.
Thanks,
Cheryl, RN, RAC-C, CLNC
Hello, Cheryl,:Melody:
Great to have you in the Legal Nurse forum.
RLNC=Registered Legal Nurse Consultant
Yes, the ABNS (American Board of Nursing Specialities) thinks it has the market on nurse consultants and how they are to be certified. Not so. The Milazzo Inst. is a reputable and recognized institution and will be around for quite a while. The ABNS requires their candidates to have at least 2000 hours within the past three years practicing as an LNC before seeking certification. This is great, but, this certification does not prepare you to be an LNC. It does not require you to have any formal education before certification, just the hours working as an LNC.
I might seek certification with them only to have added certification, but, for no other reason.
| | No. 17 |
Oct 27, 2005, 10:18 AM
Re: Lnc
Siri:
There is no question about Vicky's organization at all. That is why I took my training with her institute. I understand that, but my response was based on her certification not being recognized by ABNS and that is all. I think the organization should be recognized, but, at this time, it is not. And whether that means anything to attorneys, is still up in the air. They do ask where I received my training, but not so much if it is recognized by the ABNS. I may be interested in replacing the CLNC or just adding to my credential the LNCC. I still do not know because I only have a year under my belt and about 400 hours in on case work, so I have a ways to go for that.
It is sad to think the ABNS feels it corners the market on the LNCs, and I certainly don't feel that way. But lets face it, being recognized by an organization like ABNS can't hurt. You don't need a certification to do what we do at all.
By the by, have you received the draft of the standards of care for the LNC yet? They are very interesting.
Thanks again!
iaclnc
| | No. 18 |
Oct 27, 2005, 10:34 AM
Re: Lnc Originally Posted by iaclnc Siri:
There is no question about Vicky's organization at all. That is why I took my training with her institute. I understand that, but my response was based on her certification not being recognized by ABNS and that is all. I think the organization should be recognized, but, at this time, it is not. And whether that means anything to attorneys, is still up in the air. They do ask where I received my training, but not so much if it is recognized by the ABNS. I may be interested in replacing the CLNC or just adding to my credential the LNCC. I still do not know because I only have a year under my belt and about 400 hours in on case work, so I have a ways to go for that.
It is sad to think the ABNS feels it corners the market on the LNCs, and I certainly don't feel that way. But lets face it, being recognized by an organization like ABNS can't hurt. You don't need a certification to do what we do at all.
By the by, have you received the draft of the standards of care for the LNC yet? They are very interesting.
Thanks again!
iaclnc
Yes, saved that and will refer to it as I need to let others know this is not gold standard for practice as an LNC.
Most attorneys don't care if you have the certification any way. Just that you know what you are doing. That's about all that mattersto them. But, showing them you did go the distance to acquire the added education, will make you look more credible.
As you are aware. Being successful, as Vickie says, is up to us. Marketing CONSTANTLY is the key to success.
How many cases do you do each month?
| | No. 19 |
Oct 27, 2005, 10:51 AM
Re: Lnc
I have worked on 27 cases in the last year (since going FT), some months I work on more cases than others. I work with attorneys in 3 states so far. This summer was dry, but this last month I have worked on 5 cases alone. I also do expert searches and have done > 6 since June. But, I keep my hand in LTC and consult with facilities on their MDS compliance. So, I try to keep busy. But, I am a big marketer. I love to market. So, I am finally getting busy and I now recommend experts (nursing, dietitians, OT/PT, etc) on the cases I work on and that is going well, too.
We also started up our own LNC organization here in our state and so far, we are the only one. I am the current VP of our new organization and we will be marketing at the Trial Lawyers Convention for our state, too, so it is finally moving along.
How many cases do you work on per month and how long have you been working as an LNC? I am always interested in how others are doing and I will be glad to assist you in any way, I love to help fellow CLNCs.
iaclnc
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