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  1. by   charmedlife
    Quote from lawrence01
    This is what Suzanne has been telling us all along and for a long time. I hope for those who wants to work abroad consider what khirbz just posted.

    It is always the prerogative of the employers to tell what and who they want as their employees. It is not the PRC or the NM BON or whoever who will employ and petition us, it's the employers.

    Just think, if some of the better hospitals in the Philippines does not employ those coming from that batch what more for employers in the U.S.

    Sure, maybe some will employ you but if that batch is being discriminated already here in the Philippines, again, what more in the U.S.

    Just food for thought.

    exactly. if ever you'll get hired in the US, you won't probably get a job a nurse or get the pay that you wish for. if you took the june '06 nle and did not have a retakeif then you'll get employed here, the stigma will always be there. there's really no other solution but for a retake. as it has been said, who's to say who did and did not cheat? or how far the leakage went? it is NOT true that the leakage is limited to luzon area. we'll see if this will come out in the nbi's investigation. let me stop here. hehehe.
  2. by   banj21
    clear this up please.. for me. why do the US even care about our local exam? why, then, are they implementing thier own state board exam if the local exams of other countries count? and why dont they require the local license during the application for nclex? or.. are they already requiring it since the leakage issue broke off? maybe i am a bit outdated already (just because of the phil's issue, they now require. .?kinda funny)

    about the stigma.. isnt it obvious that only those "people" shouting for a retake are the ones giving the passers the so-called stigma? do they even know what a stigma is? its so unfair for other people who came from other parts of the phil (esp in luzon) to say that there had been leakages, too, in visayas and mindanao. you know more than we do? if there had been a spread here, specifically in visayas, how come i dint come across with it?

    another thing, if there really is a stigma, why do our local officials and even church leaders support us for our cause? you see, the stigma isnt in the whole archipelago. its merely limited to the heads of those who couldnt accept the fact that their best students werent able to include their names in the topnotcher's list... or even just in the passers' list.

    so the petitions/ signature of hundred or less students saying that there was a leakage is more credible than those thousands saying there was none? where is justice?


    if you people KNOW MORE THAN the NBI/PRC/CA then maybe you should tell that to them. whats the use of yur knowledge? or better if you apply for their posts instead.

    easy for you to shout for a retake... 4years, i think, is enough for us to prove that we can work in hospitals. its not just the exam that can measure our competency. for heaven's sake, why do you question our competencies?! its just a 500-item exam... we passed even with nulled items. now, it seems that the flunkers are more competent than passers. oh no, that gives me a laugh.


    if ever the CA announces a NO -RETAKE decision, i doubt if those passers who shouted for a retake (puppets i may say) will still go for one or would just disguise themselves all the way to the prc to claim their licenses.

    charmed life, if you have evidences that the leak isn't limited to luzon alone, PROVE IT! dont just type it here.

    im really ticked off. crab mentally will never leave a pinoy's system. just wondering, would your stomach hurt if we get our licenses? thats why you're stopping us from acquiring it?
  3. by   banj21
    Quote from charmedlife
    exactly. if ever you'll get hired in the us, you won't probably get a job a nurse or get the pay that you wish for. if you took the june '06 nle and did not have a retakeif then you'll get employed here, the stigma will always be there. there's really no other solution but for a retake. as it has been said, who's to say who did and did not cheat? or how far the leakage went? it is not true that the leakage is limited to luzon area. we'll see if this will come out in the nbi's investigation. let me stop here. hehehe.

    correct me if im wrong.. you said if ever you'll get hired.... then, you ended it with you wont get a job or the pay a nurse wish for. what did you mean by hired, when you still wont get a job?

    so you're saying that even if you are already hired, you would get a different rate from other co-workers just because you were one of those who took the controversial exam? do the rates vary with the batch of filipino graduates that you belong to? and yeah, i wanna know, is there a salary difference among filipinos working in the us who took the local exams with those who did not? lets say, they were hired at the same time.

    so i assume that if im already working in the us, and i didnt go for a retake, i would get a lower salary than those who took? saying that we got hired at the same time. or, would i still be unemployed... though im already hired?

    it seems to me that, its not the americans who would actually discrminate you. sad
  4. by   penpaper
    There must be a retake. It's a matter of integrity.
    This is not just any ordinary exam!
    This is the BOARD EXAM that confers professional licenses to those who pass.

    In a licensure exam, the result is highly questionable when you invalidate 30-40% of the questions. It becomes outright unacceptable when the reason for the invalidation is a leakage of test questions (cheating)!

    It doesn't matter the number of people who cheated. What matters is that there was cheating and that no one can determine who cheated and who did not.

    This is my personal opinion.
    Sometimes, little sacrifices today can spell the difference between future success and failure.
  5. by   Rep
    Good point!:wink2:

    Quote from penpaper
    There must be a retake. It's a matter of integrity.
    This is not just any ordinary exam!
    This is the BOARD EXAM that confers professional licenses to those who pass.

    In a licensure exam, the result is highly questionable when you invalidate 30-40% of the questions. It becomes outright unacceptable when the reason for the invalidation is a leakage of test questions (cheating)!

    It doesn't matter the number of people who cheated. What matters is that there was cheating and that no one can determine who cheated and who did not.

    This is my personal opinion.
    Sometimes, little sacrifices today can spell the difference between future success and failure.
  6. by   charmedlife
    Quote from penpaper
    There must be a retake. It's a matter of integrity.
    This is not just any ordinary exam!
    This is the BOARD EXAM that confers professional licenses to those who pass.

    In a licensure exam, the result is highly questionable when you invalidate 30-40% of the questions. It becomes outright unacceptable when the reason for the invalidation is a leakage of test questions (cheating)!

    It doesn't matter the number of people who cheated. What matters is that there was cheating and that no one can determine who cheated and who did not.

    This is my personal opinion.
    Sometimes, little sacrifices today can spell the difference between future success and failure.
    exactly!
  7. by   lawrence01
    As some of you may already know, PGMA already ordered NBI to expedite the investigations and come up w/ some conclusions this coming Monday instead of waiting 'till Oct. 15. If the NBI can comply promptly this Monday then everyone will know what will most prob. happen next as majority of the decisions hinges on the findings of the NBI.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 6, '06
  8. by   lawrence01
    just a friendly reminder to everyone. :angel2:

    we can express our own personal opinions here but we should respect other's opinions as well (eventhough we may not agree with it) and the persons making them.

    the issues should be the one's that should be debated or argued upon and not the persons giving it. let's try to make it friendly, as much as possible. after all, we are all professionals here, right?


    please be guided accordingly by the tos:
    http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/allnu...ead-31788.html
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 7, '06
  9. by   bonsai_25
    [color=#003300][color=#003300][color=#003300]i am just waiting for the final decision. if the court will decide to make all the board passers and the others retake the exam then so be it. just hope it will be just test 3 and 5 haha.
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    [color=#003300]some of us cannot help but feel this is personal maybe because we were the ones who took the exam? [color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]there was a leakage in test 3 and 5. the prc decided to remove the 20 questions from test 3 and toned down test 5. it was done to all 42,006 board takers. this was done to remove the leaked questions because they cannot pinpoint the cheaters. exactly, you cannot pinpoint. you are asking us to sacrifice, isn’t toning down our grades sacrifice enough? this is fair to most board passers i guess because they passed, likewise i’m sure some think it’s not because they failed.[color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]everyone’s saying that they are fighting for the integrity of the exam; why then some people are insulting the board passers, i think that is unfair. and the petitioners are making direct personal insults to the passers. is it the board passers fault there is a leakage? not everyone benefited from the leakage. and competency cannot be based in just one exam as well as integrity.
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    [color=#003300]i don’t think it is right to say this is just a little sacrifice if we retake the exam because it is not even close to little. on the other hand, like the others, sometimes i think it would be better to retake the test 3 and 5 so i can also move on. but right now, the movement of the retake group is just too much and too obvious. now they are saying there is a leakage in test 1 and 2 also. anyone who took the exam knows that this is just an outright lie. it’s a desperate move because if the president calls for a retake of test 3 and 5, some board flunkers will still fail because their average won’t reach 75. meaning even if test 3 and 5 weren’t toned down they will still fail. my friends who failed don’t even want to join the retake of the test 3 and 5 because there is a possibility that the exam will be on december and if they fail again they will have to retake it on june which is unfair for them.[color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]others say if you really study hard you will surely pass the 2nd time around. are you serious? what about those who failed the exam the first time? they studied really hard but they still failed. even top students from universities fail. keep in mind that no matter how well prepared you are, no matter how smart you are, all things considered the only thing that will matter is your performance on that exam day. even with nclex nobody is 100 percent sure of the results until your name is there.[color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]i get it that some of the hospitals and agencies won’t bother to hire a june 2006 board passer but i also know 1st hand that some of them will not care if i am a june 2006 passer. honestly, this issue is not for us to decide anymore. i do get it when you say think above yourself, think about the profession. i just hope that whoever is saying that is really for the profession. i just wish the politicians and the petitioners are really thinking about the profession too.[color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]remember it is easy to motivate a passer to retake the exam if it is for the right reason. ever wonder why it’s hard to convince everyone to retake? if it’s for the profession, some of you could have motivated everyone to retake the exam already? but some of you are also belittling our efforts in passing the exam making it look like it’s just a little sacrifice. oh yeah, lets forget about the money, i mean that’s only money right? let’s forget about the mental hardship before the exam, the sacrifices that we made before the exam. that is nothing -_-. why don’t we forget about the board passers rights too? heck what is another exam? some of you make it all sound so easy. let us not be self righteous. yes the nursing profession's reputation should be clean but it doesn't stand alone. [color=#003300]
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    [color=#003300]if there is a retake is it really for the integrity of the exam? will it really remove the stigma? maybe a retake will be good, maybe not. what do i know what is right for everyone that is why i’m leaving the decision to the court? maybe cgfns will accept passers, maybe not. seriously, if you are a pro or anti retake, this issue is not funny anymore. nevertheless, retake or no retake, i think we should just all pray that this will end soon. we should all stick together. for sure the final decision will cause heartbreaks but that is life. the law cannot please everyone. whatever the decision is, retake or no retake, i am saddened by the lack of support from the government and from the people i was expecting to support the june 2006 board takers.
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    [color=#003300]just my opinion. have a nice weekend![color=#003300]
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    Last edit by bonsai_25 on Oct 7, '06
  10. by   sofia_815
    The only solution to this scandal is to retake. A retake should be done in order to prove the Filipino public and the whole world that any leakage and conspiracy in the Philippine Nursing Licensure Examination is not in any way tolerated and badly condemned.
    Last edit by sofia_815 on Oct 7, '06
  11. by   pinoy_guy
    http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=25376

    published on page a1 of the october 8, 2006 issue of the philippine daily inquirer

    nursing board reviewer: 'leak was everywhere'

    sen. panfilo lacson, chair of the senate civil service committee investigating the leak, said he would resume the hearing next week and would ask tadle to testify.

    . . .

    but lacson said those who had benefited from the leak should not only be prosecuted but also barred from taking another exam.

    he expressed strong opposition to a retake for all.
    his position is "no retake"

    especially for those who got copies of the leakage..."no retake"...forever.

    scary thought for reviewees of the involved review centers--they didn't have control if they were given the leak.

    let's pray they don't adopt this as their final decision.
  12. by   gracediwa
    No retake for those who got the leakage? That's stupid! Not everyone who got hold of the so-called "leakage" knew that the "reviewer" they've got is the exact question until after the test. Test questions from previous exams are everywhere, even in National Bookstore! Isn't that a leakage as well? I think it is. How else will they (the publisher) get hold of it if not through the testmakers themselves. And they dare made us attest not to share the questions after the test, and yet it's everywhere.

    Let's face it, students shared reviewer from other students from different review center not knowing this fact. The one that should be punished is the one who gave the leakage and not the students. As the saying goes, Jail the PUSHER, save the USER (for Drugs). But it can also be applied here.

    The truth... our economy sucks..Big time.
  13. by   banj21
    Quote from sofia_815
    the only solution to this scandal is to retake. a retake should be done in order to prove the filipino public and the whole world that any leakage and conspiracy in the philippine nursing licensure examination is not in any way tolerated and badly condemned.
    prove what? it happened already (& obviously, its more like of agreeing than condoning). and no amount of retake could erase such scrupulous act. i dont think a single retake could change the view of the whole world (since filipinos are the ones sending bad signals to other countries) in just a snap of a finger. so, we'll have a couple more of retakes then?? hehe. as the saying goes "dont wash your durrrty linens out in the public". but what are the others doing? seems that they are so proud bringing overseas the pathetic news. and now, they're worrying what other countries will think of us? tsk tsk sk

    well, as for me.. still retake for those who failed and no retake for those who passed. how many times do you have to take licensure exams and pass to prove that you're competent? those who failed should prove it yet again

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