No ativan for hospice patients - page 2
The hospice doctor doesn't want us to use our judgement in regards to giving ativan. Some of the families have complained that our patients became too sedated from taking ativan. I was curious if... Read More
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0Aug 21, '07 by ShayRNI agree with Leslie. We had one woman on 50, yes- FIVE ZERO sub q Morphine and she was still sitting up in bed talking to us. BTW, If there ever comes a time when I am dying, in pain, scared and lose the ability to control bowel and bladder...by all means feel free to snow me.
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0Aug 22, '07 by uahrn915Many elderly pts are knocked for a loop by pain meds/anxiety meds, but if they are truly appropriate hospice pts, you don't want to see them with RR >30. Use that PRN med and have the standing order to increase dose by 50% PRN when you really need it. Our hospice pts have responded extremely well to compounded medications to help with pain & anxiety. Ativan/Benedryl/Haldol (ABH gel) works fantastic and is absorbed thru the skin over the carotid. mso4 can also be compounded and applied this way.
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0Aug 23, '07 by RN4ustatI recently attended a teleconference regarding terminal restlessness/agitation and was a little surprised to learn that often times, ativan is to blame for increased restlessness/agitation. The physicians that were giving this seminar recommended haldol or even risperdal which doesn't cause as much euphoria. I'll have to find the documentation from that seminar and post the specifics. It was VERY interesting actually!!
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1Aug 23, '07 by leslie :-DQuote from RN4ustatesp among the elderly, ativan is known for its paradoxical agitation.I recently attended a teleconference regarding terminal restlessness/agitation and was a little surprised to learn that often times, ativan is to blame for increased restlessness/agitation. The physicians that were giving this seminar recommended haldol or even risperdal which doesn't cause as much euphoria. I'll have to find the documentation from that seminar and post the specifics. It was VERY interesting actually!!
but i've seen it in risperdal, also.
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0Sep 1, '07 by dosamigos76Quote from uahrn915I had never heard of applying it over the carotid, only rubbed into the palmar aspect of the wrist for approximately one minute. I goggled it and couldn't find any information on it. Interesting...Ativan/Benedryl/Haldol (ABH gel) works fantastic and is absorbed thru the skin over the carotid. mso4 can also be compounded and applied this way.
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0Oct 4, '07 by sharlynnQuote from dosamigos76We use ABHR gel ( with Reglan) applied in a pulse area such as wrist and covered with Opsite.I had never heard of applying it over the carotid, only rubbed into the palmar aspect of the wrist for approximately one minute. I goggled it and couldn't find any information on it. Interesting...
Cheryl
