How many pts do you care for?

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Hi everyone...

I have been a hospice nurse for eight months now and my caseload just keeps rising and rising. I currently have 16 patients. All of my pts are hospice, my agency does not do home healthcare. We see pts four days a week and do patient care conferences one day per week. We are expected to see pts on meeting day, but since meetings and care planning takes up most of the day...only 1 or 2 pts can be seen that day. I am finding it hard to give these pts what they deserve. I used to see each pt 2-3 times per week, daily if the need was there. Now I see my stable pts once per week and everyone else 2 times per week. It just doesn't seem possible to give the families the emotional support they need when I have to get in and out of a visit within an hour so that I can squeeze in 7 pts in an 8 hour day. I love hospice care, but I am feeling burned out from the load of work. We also have a lot of on-call. I am on-call approximately 5 week days of the month (5p-8a...this is after working 8a-5p) and I am on call for three 12 hr shifts on weekends. Luckily our triage is good and I don't get called out that often...but having to put my own life on hold is getting old.

How many pts do you take care of? How many visits per day do you do? What is the maximum amount of pts that your agency can give you? What is your on-call like? Do you case manage as well as do the visits? Any input would be appreciated. I would like to see how my agency compares with others. I don't know if I am overworked or just not organized enough to keep up.

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep..
Those remaining in nursing are, more and more, the workaholics in the group. They are the ones who boast of how many hours they put in... just like a group of alcoholics will boast of how many shots & beers they had last night, but still managed to drive home. It's the same disease, but with a different drug of choice.

The work isn't the only drug involved, the money is also. It's one reason I kept hanging in, or going back, to nursing. The nurses who are burnt say "Who can survive on x amount of $ per hour?" Well, I've found out that I can, and my quality of life is far better!

I know of nurses who brag of how many hours they work, the OT they get, the "deals" they make with the managers since they will do what others will not (ie, getting double time for doing two doubles on the weekend on top of their regular schedule - ridiculous). I know one nurse who is ALWAYS smiling about that - and about her house, car, jacuzzi, etc etc. She definitely brags about it. Don't know how she survives - she can't have time to SLEEP! But -she seems genuinely happy, and has been doing it for 15 years (shrug).

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep..
I work in a medium security prison I just wish we had 16 patients a day. Its a tiny city with MD call 3-4 times a week not to mention chrinic care clinic, sick call, lab draw, little emergencies during the day, pill call and on most days there are only 2 of us to cover it all we are lucky if we have 3 of us here. Oh we have up to 450 inmates at our unit

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There must be separate standards of care for prison health services, is that even LEGAL? oh my ... {{{{{{{{{{{{{JailhouseTeer}}}}}}}} I feel for you!

Specializes in Med-Surg, ER, ICU, Hospice.

I've know a few happy alcoholics too. Sooner or later though, it comes home to roost.

jailhouseTeer...

I am curious... is your institution owned/operated by the government or privately?

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it has its good days and its bad! Today was kinda quiet, but I really got tired of my name being called! (giggle) I advised all that I was changing my name and not going to tell them to what! My superviser just grinned. :uhoh21:

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep..
I've know a few happy alcoholics too. Sooner or later though, it comes home to roost.

jailhouseTeer...

I am curious... is your institution owned/operated by the government or privately?

It's true of MANY alcoholics, they are happy for a while ... and then, :trout: , hit with 20 fish at a time ...

Do you feel/notice that they seem to be younger and younger? Is it because we drink harder than we used to? Maybe it's just more awareness, but those young people (and I was) are pretty sick with it...

By "your" institution, do you mean mine? I'm not working in nursing right now if that's what you meant - taking a long vacation ... :lol2:

edit: sorry - I figured it out that you were talking to JailhouseTeer

Specializes in Med-Surg, ER, ICU, Hospice.

Gosh, I really don't know if alcoholics are younger than they used to be or not.

But the major thrust of my point is that against the backdrop of a nursing shortage, nurses are more than usually in a position of power. I have seen the pendulum of nursing shortage versus relative nursing abundance swing back & forth over the years. As the farmers say; make hay while the sun shines. Right now the sun is shining on nurses, so make some hay.

In poker you watch the up cards and calculate mathematically your chances. Then you watch your opponent's body language for tips. Well, right now the numbers are in the nurse's favor, so when you apply for a job or talk to your manager the odds are, s/he is bluffing.

Say what you will accept, don't ask what they will throw you. That way everyone knows up front what to expect... no game-playing to see how far you can be pushed. Let them know right away what you will tolerate, then stick to it.

AAhhh. I always feel better about my job when I come back to the hospice forum. I had sustained a high census over the holidays (15-19). That's to be expected in hospice. People are sicker, more depressed and we get more hospice referrals. Stressful Holidays vs winter? We have great disparety in my hospice. Some nurses may have a census of 5 another 19, depends on territory. It is hard to balance case loads and folks get attached. I just had my case load decreased by 6 patients by equalizing case loads. Might sing, might dance. Wanna do lunch and talk about hospices?

My patient load just went up to 23 due to a nurse quitting. The office has a census of 48. I am the only fulltime RN, besides the PCC. We have 2 PRN LPNs and one parttime RN. I do love my job, but I'm exhausted and extremely stressed. The administrator says she's actively looking for more nurses, but so far no luck. I realize that hospice is a specialty that's not very popular and it's difficult to find nurses to work in it. However, they had better find someone soon or I'm going to crash and burn!

Specializes in Alzheimer's, Geriatrics, Chem. Dep..
My patient load just went up to 23 due to a nurse quitting. The office has a census of 48. I am the only fulltime RN, besides the PCC. We have 2 PRN LPNs and one parttime RN. I do love my job, but I'm exhausted and extremely stressed. The administrator says she's actively looking for more nurses, but so far no luck. I realize that hospice is a specialty that's not very popular and it's difficult to find nurses to work in it. However, they had better find someone soon or I'm going to crash and burn!

I take it the admin is not a nurse? Can they get agency nurses, or transfer patients to another company? This isn't cool at all. {{{{{{{rnrae}}}}}

Hello all,

Our average pt load is 8-9 pts. We have different shifts, Mon-Fri 8am to 5pm (with one weekend on-call required every month) and a 5pm to 8am that is also on call. I wanted to share a wonderful new concept, we have hired a few different triage nurses that take all of the patient calls from 5pm to midnite. They do everything that they can to solve the problem over the phone. If they can't, then an on call nurse is dispatched to the patient. This has really helped nurses to avoid burn out.

Just an idea, it has made such a difference in our organization, maybe this can help others to either help implement something like this or search for an organization like mine!!

We have triage nurses on weekends. On the weekdays the oncall nurses take turns triaging the calls and going out to handle them. But at all times, the oncall responsibilities are all handled by a dedicated oncall team so the case managers only have to help out with call during the holidays. It not only helps prevent burnout but it also helps with continuity. We made the move to the special on call team a couple years ago and everybody loves it.

Our PCC is an RN and she does have some patients of her own. I'd love to have the same arrangement your office has, Aimee. Actually, they're trying to make some changes to improve employee retention and satisfaction. I hope they come up with something soon, before I crash and burn! On Monday I'm having an EGD to see if I have an ulcer.

Why are RNs so hard to find???

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