Hesi Exit Test - page 8

Hello fellow educators....I am dealing with a dilema which I have no control over as I am a staff member, not administration, but it is just eating away at my concious. My community college uses the... Read More

  1. Visit  w049jxz} profile page
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    I have the same situation as you. My school recently regulated us to pass 850 on HESI. Why do we need HESI judge and determine our life. Why don't we fight for our rights to cancel this unfair school regulation? Sue school, I heard someone win.
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  3. Visit  w049jxz} profile page
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    I'm struggling with HESI. I failed for my first try. hope to pase the second. I wonder why I need HESI to determine my life and my career. I will fight for my school. In our school, last graduation, only 18% pass HESI, but 85% pass NCLEX. Who can say HESI is predictable for NCLEX. Why we need HESI for? I heard some law suit win lately. Every students who are required for HESI as your exit test, file the law suit, we need fight together. do not let HESI determine our fate.
  4. Visit  2btmanrn} profile page
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    I am in mourning. One of my classmates after a second attempt, finally succeeded in killing herself.

    In her note, she said that she could no longer deal with the humilation, loss, and lies that the school had put her and her children through. She no longer had any money to repeat second year and have her grades audited as if she never earned them to begin with. Which were the only choice the school gave them.

    Its been so painful dealing with how our school used their students as escapegoats for their own curriculum's deficiencies. I feel if the students had any deficiencies that it would of been nipped in the bud to begin with. The school was wrong to wait until you completed the entire program, to have taken all of your money, to a use a diagnostic test to withold your degree, and holding only the students accountable and not the faculty.


    I am in so much pain on the loss of my beloved classmate. She would of made an excellent nurse. She stated in her note, that she wishes that faculty would of stood up for what is right. Faculty had told us many times that they do not believe in the exam. But, they also told us they were afraid to speak up against the vice chancellor in fear that they would lose their jobs. We had no advocacy. A few classmates have obtained an attorney regarding the matter. Others just gave up. I don't know what to do. Who do I write to? Who can help make this change? How can our story be known? I feel helpless and hopeless.



    This maybe the last time I write here. I am in too much pain and confused about this whole HESI vs. NCLEX conspiracy. I lost my friend because of it.
    I will never see her, again.

    I don't understand...
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  5. Visit  ohmeowzer RN} profile page
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    Quote from 2btmanrn
    I am in mourning. One of my classmates after a second attempt, finally succeeded in killing herself.

    In her note, she said that she could no longer deal with the humilation, loss, and lies that the school had put her and her children through. She no longer had any money to repeat second year and have her grades audited as if she never earned them to begin with. Which were the only choice the school gave them.

    Its been so painful dealing with how our school used their students as escapegoats for their own curriculum's deficiencies. I feel if the students had any deficiencies that it would of been nipped in the bud to begin with. The school was wrong to wait until you completed the entire program, to have taken all of your money, to a use a diagnostic test to withold your degree, and holding only the students accountable and not the faculty.


    I am in so much pain on the loss of my beloved classmate. She would of made an excellent nurse. She stated in her note, that she wishes that faculty would of stood up for what is right. Faculty had told us many times that they do not believe in the exam. But, they also told us they were afraid to speak up against the vice chancellor in fear that they would lose their jobs. We had no advocacy. A few classmates have obtained an attorney regarding the matter. Others just gave up. I don't know what to do. Who do I write to? Who can help make this change? How can our story be known? I feel helpless and hopeless.



    This maybe the last time I write here. I am in too much pain and confused about this whole HESI vs. NCLEX conspiracy. I lost my friend because of it.
    I will never see her, again.

    I don't understand...

    what a horrible thing .. i am so sorry .. how horrible ... that poor woamn and her family... that dang hesi test... i hope your school re evlauates the hesi test... i send you my love and prayers .. and i am sorry this happened....
  6. Visit  ohmeowzer RN} profile page
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    i am so sorry this happened... what a horrible thing... i send my prayers to you and your families and classmates... what did your school say about this?
  7. Visit  dr.dspurlock} profile page
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    Quote from 2btmanrn
    I am in mourning. One of my classmates after a second attempt, finally succeeded in killing herself.

    In her note, she said that she could no longer deal with the humilation, loss, and lies that the school had put her and her children through. She no longer had any money to repeat second year and have her grades audited as if she never earned them to begin with. Which were the only choice the school gave them.

    Its been so painful dealing with how our school used their students as escapegoats for their own curriculum's deficiencies. I feel if the students had any deficiencies that it would of been nipped in the bud to begin with. The school was wrong to wait until you completed the entire program, to have taken all of your money, to a use a diagnostic test to withold your degree, and holding only the students accountable and not the faculty.


    I am in so much pain on the loss of my beloved classmate. She would of made an excellent nurse. She stated in her note, that she wishes that faculty would of stood up for what is right. Faculty had told us many times that they do not believe in the exam. But, they also told us they were afraid to speak up against the vice chancellor in fear that they would lose their jobs. We had no advocacy. A few classmates have obtained an attorney regarding the matter. Others just gave up. I don't know what to do. Who do I write to? Who can help make this change? How can our story be known? I feel helpless and hopeless.



    This maybe the last time I write here. I am in too much pain and confused about this whole HESI vs. NCLEX conspiracy. I lost my friend because of it.
    I will never see her, again.

    I don't understand...

    Hello:

    I need to find out more about this case. Please contact me ASAP.

    Darrell Spurlock, Jr. PhD, RN
    Email: dr.dspurlock *at* gmail.com
    Last edit by dr.dspurlock on Oct 23, '08
  8. Visit  bookwormom} profile page
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    I would be interested in hearing how faculty in other schools are helping students deal with the stress associated with HESI and other similar tests. The tragedy described above suggests the intensity of distress students are suffering.
  9. Visit  infamousflipside} profile page
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    i recently graduated in august 2008...well not exactly graduated since i didnt pass the hesi w/ the grade of 880 or higher. we have 3 tries at 880. mind you, we are a community college and there are bsn programs out there that require 850. i think it's totally unfair that after the 3rd try, the only thing the teacher told us to do is take the lvn licensure exam. i was livid. they did nothing to help us, not even any remediation if failure occured. furthermore, the previous semester before us (may 2008) was allowed to graduate and sit for nclex w/ a score of 850 or higher with 4 tries. in fact, in my second testing, there were students from the may batch going for their 4th try and passed with 852 and 853...i made an 864 and cannot move on. and also, out of 87 students, so far until this date only 31 have passed; less than 50% of the class were successfull. this is not a matter of a class full of incompetent nurses, but it is mainly because of the lack of instruction by teachers or concern of the school overall.

    they only care about keeping their ratings high for nclex passing rates. our class is making major progress in taking this into legal matters. we have went up the chain of command. the dean said that he would want to lower the score back to 850 but decided to put the last decision to the nursing faculty...they chose 880. now we have passed the president, and have decided to hire a lawyer to talk with the chancellor of our school. we also have someone who has connections with the media and will have an interview with a reporter soon.

    wat breaks my heart the most is that some teachers were talking about imposing the hesi at the end of each semester and overall lower the score to 850 FOR THE FOLLOWING SEMESTERS AFTER US. they said that this policy cannot be done retroactively, so that leaves our semester of graduates with this dilemma.

    i hope everything goes for the best. wish us luck!!!!
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  10. Visit  linnywho} profile page
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    I can assure many that Southern University in Baton Rouge is probably one of the worst in the nation about how they administer these test. They do not tell the students ahead of time which test they will be taking. It can be HESI, ATI, Kaplan or any of 5 others they haven't named. Last semester was 2 ATI test and this semester they have started with a HESI. They do not comprehend that the test has weight based questions. And require percentage based grades based on raw scores ignoring the weight of questions. They claim of course, that students must get a 78% raw score to pass. Then ignore this after the test (because no one passes) and say a 71% raw score with a 900 HESI score. I know of some who had above a 71% and lower than a 900 HESI score, yet above 850 who are not passing this go round.

    Some semesters they ignore the HESI score and go with only the raw score. This also means two people with the same number of questions right, yet one got the hard ones right and the other missed all the hard ones, essentially have the same raw score.

    I really wish someone, would come up with a way to sue the administrations for these kinds of things. I would think the student handbooks or school guidelines would require schools to notify students of the exact grading scale that would be used and what test company prior to the actual test.

    SUBR just changes the passing guidelines on every test to get the specific number they want to pass the test, regardless of fairness. One test may be a 78 and the next a 70. But I specifically have a major problem with using non-departmental test and then not using their scoring system and making up your own.

    Where can students go to find out regulations regarding this?

    It seems to me that some of these administrators will not learn anything until they are faced with a multi-million dollar class action.

    Later,
    Last edit by linnywho on Oct 28, '08
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  11. Visit  2btmanrn} profile page
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    Mr. Spurlock
    I will contact you. I am a work right now. I just posted a few minutes ago. Its under graduated students. I wrote your e mail down and I will e mail you asap. I work the midnight shift and sleep most of the days.
    But, I will call.

    To all instructors. I know that all instructors are not like the instructors we had. Unfortunately, we have only experienced good clinical instructors. I hope that my classmates expirations will somehow make those particular instructors who lack the passion and care of teaching think twice.
    We were never bad students. We never had any prior incidents with any other instructors/professors until we entered the nursing program.

    Thank you for the instructors who continue to have the passion to inspire. To ensure that their students make the best nurses that they can be.
  12. Visit  rld44} profile page
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    I am a Drexel student. I have taken the HESI 4 times. My scores have been 895-915 (approximately & consistently). Our school requires a score of 950. Approximately 35-40% of the students never achieve this score until they spend an additional $2400 and 2 months in remediation to pass the 950 requirements.

    Recently, Drexel, started allowing students who failed the tests to review the HESI questions, answers and rationales for missed test questions. Review of the HESI questions from the last test shows that HESI makes mistakes in scoring. So far 5 questions in the last test have been challenged as being incorrectly scored. We have some support from the faculty, but no support from administration as this poses significant implications to their graduation requirements of passing the HESI with a 950 if the test has errors.

    There are 8-9 students who are pursuing legal actions at this time. Several have taken steps to join class action law suits being tried in other states. I am on the fence with my next step.
    Last edit by rld44 on Nov 10, '08 : Reason: add info
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  13. Visit  xqi66} profile page
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    i'm sitting right next to you rdl44. something must be done about universities holding back good nurses based on hesi exit exams. especially when a student successfully passed all course requirements. students must come together and seek legal advice put a stop to this. students are out 40k with nothing to show for. how do these people sleep at night? we have found many errors ore questionable answers to some of the test questions it make one wonder how valid these exams are. i wish faculty would step up and be an advocate for students in our situation. i read some where to place a complaint to the state board of nursing.

    legal advice is greatly appreciated.
  14. Visit  GOD1} profile page
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    just took my hesi this monday and got a 954. our school requires an 850 though. my suggestion is to do questions from different sources ie. hesit cd, nclex 4000, and saunders. good luck to everyone


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