Nursing in the Military - page 2

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Ok, so one of those damn recruiters got me. (We all have seen them, patrolling malls looking for their next victim.) It was a navy recruiter who showed me how much money you can get for nursing in the navy. The numbers were... Read More


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    Quite honestly, as officers, we are not really supposed to spend much time talking politics. We serve under orders of the President of the United States, through people selected and trusted to pass those orders on in a lawful, moral manner. We each serve for our own reasons, we each have a drive that has led us to become a part of this incredible shield and spear that protects this great nation. There are people that believe in Jesus, there are people that don't. There are people that voted for and believe in a system led by Democrats, there are those that voted for and believe in a system led by Republicans...and there are religious liberals and religious conservatives...and there are atheists and wiccans.

    My point is, your political and religious views are your own. Your reasons for wanting to serve as part of a team, part of something greater than yourself is your own. I am not happy with the way the system works currently. I don't believe that socialism is the answer. I don't believe that communism is the answer. I think that Americans are the answer...they need to empower themselves, to realize really that they ARE the power of change...but I digress.

    What I am trying to say is this: your political views, your religious views should not be worn on your sleeve. They are not authorized parts of the uniform. When you cross into the Blue, when you become a part of the Navy Nurse Corps or are an Army of One...you are no longer just yourself. Self preservation is natural. Self fulfillment is a normal desire. Duty to others is not always easy. Doing something you'd rather not do because you've been ordered to do it is more than just "sucking it up." You have to believe and know that you are doing what needs to be done so that the rest of your brethren in arms are protected, strong, able to carry on the mission.

    A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If you feel you may be that link because all you care about is money. Do something different. Travel nurses are still needed, even in this economy. They make good money...they're almost all about money. If you think you are going to create weak links by creating shaky trust in your presence by announcing that you're a socialist...then don't serve. It's not about your belief or whether you're right or wrong, it's about cohesion and mission readiness.

    One of the reasons officers traditionally are not supposed to be overtly political is that they have influence over many individuals. Individuals that need to have immediate response to lawful orders. If your men and women don't agree with you, don't trust you (for any reason, political, religious, sexuality) and they fear you have a hidden agenda, missions fail. People die. The Nurse Corps is not a line service, I realize that. But if you think you are less of an officer because you're a medical officer, you're wrong.
    Everyone needs to have a reason and a calling. It needs to be higher than money. It needs to be greater than themselves. If you're not willing to give all, then don't take a spot from someone that is.
    My 2 cents.
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    Quote from rghbsn
    Quite honestly, as officers, we are not really supposed to spend much time talking politics. We serve under orders of the President of the United States, through people selected and trusted to pass those orders on in a lawful, moral manner. We each serve for our own reasons, we each have a drive that has led us to become a part of this incredible shield and spear that protects this great nation. There are people that believe in Jesus, there are people that don't. There are people that voted for and believe in a system led by Democrats, there are those that voted for and believe in a system led by Republicans...and there are religious liberals and religious conservatives...and there are atheists and wiccans.

    My point is, your political and religious views are your own. Your reasons for wanting to serve as part of a team, part of something greater than yourself is your own. I am not happy with the way the system works currently. I don't believe that socialism is the answer. I don't believe that communism is the answer. I think that Americans are the answer...they need to empower themselves, to realize really that they ARE the power of change...but I digress.

    What I am trying to say is this: your political views, your religious views should not be worn on your sleeve. They are not authorized parts of the uniform. When you cross into the Blue, when you become a part of the Navy Nurse Corps or are an Army of One...you are no longer just yourself. Self preservation is natural. Self fulfillment is a normal desire. Duty to others is not always easy. Doing something you'd rather not do because you've been ordered to do it is more than just "sucking it up." You have to believe and know that you are doing what needs to be done so that the rest of your brethren in arms are protected, strong, able to carry on the mission.

    A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If you feel you may be that link because all you care about is money. Do something different. Travel nurses are still needed, even in this economy. They make good money...they're almost all about money. If you think you are going to create weak links by creating shaky trust in your presence by announcing that you're a socialist...then don't serve. It's not about your belief or whether you're right or wrong, it's about cohesion and mission readiness.

    One of the reasons officers traditionally are not supposed to be overtly political is that they have influence over many individuals. Individuals that need to have immediate response to lawful orders. If your men and women don't agree with you, don't trust you (for any reason, political, religious, sexuality) and they fear you have a hidden agenda, missions fail. People die. The Nurse Corps is not a line service, I realize that. But if you think you are less of an officer because you're a medical officer, you're wrong.
    Everyone needs to have a reason and a calling. It needs to be higher than money. It needs to be greater than themselves. If you're not willing to give all, then don't take a spot from someone that is.
    My 2 cents.
    Of course there are many avenues a nurse could take just for the money, but I feel the military is something special.

    Thanks for your opinion.
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    Thank all of you for your advice. I have a lot to think about, and in opening this thread I have more questions than I started with, but they are all ones that I have for myself. Thanks Again!!
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    I hope I dont serve with you.
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    Quote from zombie
    I hope I dont serve with you.
    Well we all have to do things sometimes that we don't want to do . Unfortunately I have to identify myself as the same species as you... kinda embarassing.
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    Whoa, folks - we're slipping close into conduct unbecoming....it's already been said that personal opinions need to be kept under one's hat, so to speak, when one is an officer.

    Let's be adult and mature and OFFICERS (whether in reality or in spirit) and do so, please.
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    Quote from carolinapooh
    Whoa, folks - we're slipping close into conduct unbecoming....it's already been said that personal opinions need to be kept under one's hat, so to speak, when one is an officer.

    Let's be adult and mature and OFFICERS (whether in reality or in spirit) and do so, please.
    You're right. Thanks for the check.
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    I agree with the opinion that I dont really care if someone joins the army for the money as long as they dont ***** and moan. Infact, ill bet many gung ho military folks that didnt join for the money wind up ******** about various things about it.

    If someone is gonna serve with me and does their best, I could care less if they joined for financial reasons or otherwise. Only people I definetely dont want to serve with are those traitor types like hasan...

    As much as I dig the Army and am glad to be American, I wouldnt do it for free and the money is sorta the icing on the cake. Kind of a part of the attractive package that makes one want to go Army.

    As for the protecting america thing, I dont buy into it as much. Mainly for the simple fact I dont personally think its neccessary for the extreme overseas military presence to protect ourselves in home. Good airport screening and border patrol FTW!!!!!!

    I think the Army offers an attractive benefits package, is exciting, and an excellent employer. If the Army and the US wants to expand and have overseas missions that I personally dont think are protecting America in the grand scheme of things, it doesnt matter. It simply means business is good and I have a job to do. I dont have to agree with everything they do, just willing to do my best to support their mission regardless of whether or not I think we should be over in other parts of the world. Afterall, they are paying me and I take orders and dont ***** and cry. That doesnt mean I cant have a mind of my own and allowed to have my own opinions. The armys mission coincides directly with my mission to make my life better, and for that, they get 100% commitment!

    Lastly, I like to think I could take care of a soldier just as well as a bum off the street. From a humanity standpoint, I would do my best with either. Though, obviously the soldier has balls even if she happens to be female, and that alone deserves respect!
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    You said:
    I am very disappointed in our country and I would not want to die for president Obama or any of the other corrupt politicians but that is a lot of money...

    Let's be straight here. As a member of the military, you are not in the position to have an opinion about the president or politicians. The military is not a political machine, it goes about its business regardless of who is in office.

    Another point. They give you the money. Then you shut up and do your job. The military is not an organization made up to serve your needs. So if you go around spouting your opinions, wants, and needs while you are in the military - you will be slowly roasted during your service.

    "The military needs pencils, pens, and pieces of paper to do its job - you are just another pencil. " Prior service ER Navy Doc.

    Good luck... remember "SERVE" is the key word here.
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    Well, I wouldn't say you can't have an opinion - you just shouldn't air it to the extent that Joe Citizen can.

    Politics stinks and has for the length of its existence - as far back as the Romans and the Greeks many elected leaders sought to represent their own interests with little regard for those of the people who gave them the job in the first place. Congress itself and the Pentagon are equally screwed up - IMHO there are too many civilians in the Department of Defense, but I have to trust that they're listening to the Joint Chiefs (whom I trust more than the Secretaries) and are making correct decisions for the United States.

    Politics will always have a bit of a stench to it.

    Even the military itself is a political game - colonels, generals, admirals, commanders - they all have to play a bit of a dance to get done what needs to be done. It's terrible, but it's everywhere, really.

    A lot of the time I don't agree with Washington. When I was a civilian there were plenty of times I thought the CEO/board of directors/university chancellor/Governor/whoever was an idiot - but I could either shut up and color and do my job, or go out and get another one. Usually I did what everyone else did - griped about it in the break room and then got up the next day and came back to work.

    The military, in essence, is no different.

    While I know Congress actually cuts my check, I think about who's actually footing the bill - the American taxpayer - to whom I am truly grateful. I'm paid at the whim of Congress, but by the work of everyday Americans. I live pretty well because of them, and I appreciate that.

    Sounds like a lot of flagwaving and posturing, and maybe it is - but that's what I think.


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