Opinions Please! Long Story

[RNbeach]

Ok....... 2 weeks ago during my AP Class muscles pratical, a girl in my class asked me for an answer on the written portion of the pratical and I gave her the answer. Whatever.... maybe I shouldn't have done.... hindsight is 20/20 but I did. OK.....Aside from that some other people in the class shared some answers also...... A woman in our class (the A+ Student) who is now my ex study partner took it upon herself to mention something to the professor about the class cheating and made some derrogatory comments about me to someone else in the class "I can't believe so and so would actually help someone cheat" OK.. I am not denying that I did..... because I did give this other student an answer.... and the fact the others in the class were sharing answers does not excuse it!

BUT for her to mention something to the professor, I felt was out of line....... she needs to mind her business...

Tonight during our break from lecture.... everyone is commenting on how the professor seems to be very dry with us, he is usally a cut up..... and one of the young ladies said she called him during the thanksgiving break to inquire about the pratical, if she had passed or failed... and he mentioned to her, that her name had come up with regards to dishonesty! So me and my BIG MOUTH... said I know where that came from..... SO & SO said something to the professor!

Well I just opened a can of worms because now... everybody is giving the my ex study partner....... dirty looks.......

So now it's the end of the class.. I am putting my coat on and she confronts me and starts shouting.. and i know the professor can hear her... that next time I decide to say something about her i should say it to her face, and that she only told the professor that some people were being dishonest, and that maybe if I hadn't help other student.... I wouldn't be so upset...... So I told her 1st of all it's your word against mine.......... 2nd..... I know you said something with regards to me b/c another student told me and I confronted the other student. and she agreed! and 3rd who are you to play class police and go back to the professor with anything......

I Dismissed her and walked away.......

NOW....... we are all walking down the hall and she comments to the other mob of students.... one in particular who she mentioned by name to the professor..... (MIND YOU the professor just told some of the students individually that he was disappointed that some people were dishonest)

She said to them don't say anything I am right here... WEll here we go..... it' all blows up.... yelling... the students who were not mentioned and the ones that were.... are all upset at her... they say how dare she bring it up at all.... she deny's it..... than she said she only said some people were dishonest..... the mob continues to get unruly and name calling starts.....

She won't get in the elevator with us....she stays behind..... in the parking lot the one of the students who was mentioned by name said she is going to say something to the professor.....

UGHHHHHHHHHHHH and I 'm sure my ex study partner probably went to the professor and told him about the mob scene and that I started it......

GEEZ........ I know I probably should not have said anything..... but I did.

MY question is #1 do I personally address it with the professor who is a sweet heart and has been really nice and supportive to me....... and helped tremendously.....and he never mentioned anything to me about this whole thing at all tonight

Just forget it and not even acknowledge the incident

Of if he asks me about it.... just remain clueless

Or should I call my ex study partner and try to clear the air.....(her and I might be in the same nursing class in the fall

Of course I will not get any sleep tonight or for the rest of the week..... because of the S%it!......

Please guys.... don't crucify me..... just constructive critisism or some advice....

B

[kikibug]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.....thats all i have to say.

[kikibug]

Oh, wait....rstewart don't judge me or the others based on what we believe. Everyone has the right to say whatever it is they want to say about the subject, and whatever it is that you think about my opinion I could really care less. We have the right to our own opinion, after all we are in America here...so please back off...

[kittyw]

We're not casting stones, but taking responsiblity for our actions (BIG difference)... not blaming innocent others for reporting the cheating. As I said I can sleep at night and DON'T blame others for my failures in life. Hmmmm .... can those people in the A&P class say that? You're entitled to your own opinion, but those people are showing signs that they are troubled with what happened - not because of what they did, but because they got CAUGHT. I don't blame the police officer when I get a speeding ticket (after all I was breaking the law whether or not I agreed with it) ... they would call him a *&^. I still think an apology is in order.

And, if I may ask, why don't you think of this as cheating? Is it because you think giving the answers is different than taking answers? Or just one little question won't hurt?

[nursing 101]

Originally posted by kittyw

I don't blame the police officer when I get a speeding ticket (after all I was breaking the law whether or not I agreed with it) ... they would call him a *&^. I still think an apology is in order.

Kardut,

This is exactly what I am implying. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough Cheating as in giving one answer is not considered cheating TO ME but since it is considered by any SCHOOL and since I knowingly sign the admissions paper and they proceed to explain the school"s laws and different policies and since it is written in stone letters in the handbook, I will adhere to any punishement If I get caught. Because when I entered the school I knew perfectly well THEIR policies and the type of punishement that would be involved (even being expelled). As Kittyw was just saying SHE will not blame the police officer because SHE was speeding KNOWING perfectly well that she was breaking the law and even going as far as to say whether or not SHE agreed with it.

Just had to make myself clear on how different people interpret DIFFERENT LAWS, DIFFERENT WAYS.

As you requested we will agree to disagree and we will leave at that. Nothing personal just different views.

And, if I may ask, why don't you think of this as cheating? Is it because you think giving the answers is different than taking answers? Or just one little question won't hurt? [/b]

You will always be if you don't understand my point of view on cheating. I can explain it a million times, you still won't get it.

As far as sleeping well at night... Honey I might not sleep well at night for not giving one answer on a test, but you might not sleep well for other things that you have done and that I don't know of... Again no personal attack on you.

And tell me, if in MY mind I think something is right (even though it's not right with the school) how could I not sleep well? I mean I always had the impression that your conscience got to you at night when you know you did something that wasn't right?

Now I'm confused:confused:

Or maybe I need another moral lesson?

Anyway,

Kardut had the best idea: Let's just agree to disagree! :kiss

[kittyw]

But you've never explain why you think it's ok... just stated that you did and I'm really trying to understand. You may sleep just fine, but I was addressing those fellow classmates that have been just plain rude ... THEY can't be sleeping well if they have to put their faults onto someone else.

[bet0326]

Originally posted by B_Matt

MY question is #1 do I personally address it with the professor who is a sweet heart and has been really nice and supportive to me....... and helped tremendously.....and he never mentioned anything to me about this whole thing at all tonight

Just forget it and not even acknowledge the incident

Of if he asks me about it.... just remain clueless

Or should I call my ex study partner and try to clear the air.....(her and I might be in the same nursing class in the fall

B

WOW. I wouldn't say anything and hope it blows over. Until then just be polite to that witch in your class. If the professor hasn't mentioned it by now he probably won't.

Good Luck

[bet0326]

IT WAS ONE ANSWER. I think most of us know the difference between narcotics stealing and a stupid question on a test that most of us will forget. I don't think it's worth getting kicked out of school for. Maybe I've been working too long but I would definitely be able to sleep at night and I never cheat in school. Still I don't think one mistake that she is obviously very sorry for should determine her future.

LET IT BLOW OVER. TRUST ME YOU'LL GET OVER IT.

[bet0326]

Originally posted by kittyw

but I was addressing those fellow classmates that have been just plain rude ... THEY can't be sleeping well if they have to put their faults onto someone else.

That's just as bad as cheating in my book.

[rstewart]

Originally posted by kikibug

Oh, wait....rstewart don't judge me or the others based on what we believe. Everyone has the right to say whatever it is they want to say about the subject, and whatever it is that you think about my opinion I could really care less. We have the right to our own opinion, after all we are in America here...so please back off...

Of course you have a right to express your opinion. Indeed we are all in America.

That said, when you advise others to be dishonest and manipulative on this board, I do not think it unreasonable for me to comment.

If I may, the problem is not with what you believe; on the contrary the problem is that you appear to believe in nothing---the ends always justify the means.

It is ironic that the original poster has admitted more than once in subsequent posts that she had been dishonest, that she would not repeat the error in judgement, that there is a possibility she may have held resentment for the former study partner who reported the incident, etc. My belief is that this person will go far. We all make mistakes and in the overall scheme of things, it was a small one.

On the other hand, this thread has brought out the "who are you to judge me crowd" as I knew it would. Well, here's a newsflash for you, Kikibug: In the world of nursing employment, medical legal practice, the state boards of nursing etc there are "rights" and "wrongs" and these and other entities will be more than willing to "judge" you-----with or without your permission. If and when you become a practicing nurse it may serve you well to remember that.

[rebelwaclause, ASN, RN]

Originally posted by rstewart

On the other hand, this thread has brought out the "who are you to judge me crowd" as I knew it would. Well, here's a newsflash for you: In the world of nursing employment, medical legal practice, the state boards of nursing etc there are "rights" and "wrongs" and these and other entities will be more than willing to "judge" you-----with or without your permission. If and when you become a practicing nurse it may serve you well to remember that.

Actually, this is a good point, rstweart.

[Rena RN 2003, RN]

intransitive senses

1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly (as at cards or on an examination)

that according to webster's dictionary.

giving an answer, taking an answer, either way it's against school policy. doesn't matter how many are involved. doesn't matter who "tattled." wrong is wrong.

and as much as i can hardly imagine "working with a tattletale," neither can i imagine working a critical case with a person that had to cheat to get through nursing school.

B_Matt (brenda), i must say that i am proud of how you have handled the criticism that you must have known would have come from this conversation. :) you made a mistake, you realize it, you have grown from the experience. best of luck in school. :)

[tattooednursie, LVN]

Everyone makes mistakes! and I'm sure your ex-study partner has made PLENTY more than you have! I would talk to your instructor first of all, then I'd try and clear things up with the one who has been giving you problems too.

No one is gonna crucify you for this, and if they are, they shouldnt be replying :)

good luck

Mandi