New Diversity Criteria for Admission...what to make of that? - page 6

OK all, I just got a letter from my school last night that states they are instituting a new criteria of "diversity" for admission to all programs. I am applying for ADN in August for the January... Read More

  1. by   wt2001
    If the quotas were in effect when I was accepted to the nursing program then I would not have been the only minority in a class of 40. Also I work in a LTC facility at the present time and guess what, there are only 3 minority nurses, and 3 CNA's in the whole facility. This facility is owned by a hospital with at least 1000 employees and I guess the 20 of us were just so lucky to have a job. Most caucasians believe that minorities are all stupid and must have their test scores or qualifications based on a different standard. There are some of us who are very intelligent and can have a decent conversation. We are not all trying to pull something to try and get ahead in life. All of us don't wear our pants sagging and say what's up homey or homes. I have worked hard to get the place in my life. And yes some of us were raised by both parents and were spoiled and not living in the slums. I guess I'm just messed up all the way around because my racial background is Cuban/Nigerian=father and caucasian/Mexican/Sioux Indian. So what are my chances of succeeding based on my diverse background. The nursing school that I attended used diversity to weed out the little young chickens that were only thinking about what to wear to the kegger on Friday night, or to admit the much needed male applicant. I am really sorry if I got off the subject but I just had to vent.
  2. by   WDWpixieRN
    Wow!! All I can is this post makes me rather glad that the community college here in town goes on a first-come, first-served basis. Your name goes on a list once you pass the minimum prereqs, and you get a letter when your name is next up.

    It does seem a shame, having just celebrate MLK Day, that all these years later we are still dealing with this issue at all.
  3. by   Lambert5883
    Quote from purplemania
    WOW, wouldn't it be nice if people were chosen for a PROFESSIONAL career on their credentials, not color? Seems like this "diversity" creates discrimination, rather than prevents it.
    I do not think that term "diversity" should be construed as a vehicle for which racial discrimination, in any setting, is potentialy thwarted. Rather, it is a term that is meant to reflect our country's demographics -- including all the flaws and idiosyncrasies found therein.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Seems like this "diversity" creates discrimination, rather than prevents it.
    Completely agree.
  5. by   Lambert5883
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Completely agree.
    Diversity is responsible for discrimination? We are responsible for discrimination -- our thoughts and actions.
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from Lambert5883
    Diversity is responsible for discrimination? We are responsible for discrimination -- our thoughts and actions.
    (Sigh) The decisions that are based on diversity, for example, in school admission, instead of qualifications.

  7. by   Lambert5883
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    (Sigh) The decisions that are based on diversity, for example, in school admission, instead of qualifications.

    So what you are in agreement with is its (diversity) implementation, in how it is acheived in certain settings, and that in its application, it is inherently discriminatory against certain groups -- I agree, too, on that point.

    But, the assertion that "diversity causes discrimination, instead of preventing it" is somewhat skewed because the goal of acheiving diversity is not to prevent discrimination. I would argue that the goal is not only to reflect a snapshot of American demographics, but to empower a class of citizens in an attempt to create a sprawling middle-class infrastructure.
  8. by   Lambert5883
    Quote from lizz
    There's no need to be insulting. That was my experience. Why should it be dismissed on that basis?

    You really think the company cared about my ego? I find that laughable. If I wasn't going to get the job and wasn't going to work there, why would they care about me at all? Much less my ego? I was history at that point.

    The guy had little experience. I had ten years worth. Other people wanted to hire me but were overruled because of AA. And, a year later I was told that they were unhappy with his performance but, of course, they weren't going to anything about it because of AA.

    Would they really be concerned about feeding my ego a year later?I really don't care about it anymore, because I ended up finding a better job. But you seem to missing the original point of the post.

    If there is a perception that AA is geared more towards blacks, rather than white women, examples like this might explain those perceptions.
    I think her point is that it cuts both ways. My nephew, for instance, who's African American, recently graduated from Moorehouse (International Business - he is fluent in speaking and writing Chinese), who upon graduation took a job with a financial company, was recently asked to resign due to "performance issues." Who cares about the documented fact that he has led all associates in his group in new monies-brought-in during his tenure, that he was promoted to head his business unit, and that he has consistently outperformed his peers on every level.

    Just to give you a little background on what he has been dealing in his tenure with this company: some associates, including his superior, have verbally stated that he should not be driving a vehicle that is more expensive than theirs; that he should not dress in the manner that he does (suit and tie) because it might intimidate his clients; and that he must be a drug dealer to be able to afford the clothes and vehicle; that he is too proud and cocky; and the word "n*****" has been used in his presence without in regard for his heritage.

    My nephew is indeed his father's son, for both have worked hard and have strived in earnest to succeed at what they do. His father is a Yale and Harvard graduate. His mother attended Wellesley. He knows that it takes hard work in life to be successful and he wants to earn his place as a contributing member of our society.

    But as some of you might allow an incident, in which you were the victim of AA, to engender a negative perception of a group of people -- in whom you feel are the beneficiaries of such programs -- and stigmatize them as a group, He does not and will not.
  9. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    But, the assertion that "diversity causes discrimination, instead of preventing it" is somewhat skewed because the goal of acheiving diversity is not to prevent discrimination.
    That may not be the goal, but that's certainly what happens.
  10. by   carolinapooh
    Here's a question - and I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but I really don't care....

    I heard on television that some fire department somewhere has just made a public committment to "hire more minorities". That's great...

    But has anyone thought that maybe they're not applying? How can you hir someone if they don't apply?

    Now I assume the counterarguement here is that they're not applying because it's considered a "white boy" club - and that's fine. But if no qualified minorities apply, how is that anyone's fault? Are they going to recruit more minorities? And if they do, will they lower test scores to get them?

    I dont' know about you, but if someone's coming in to get my butt out of my house when it's burning to the ground, I'd like to think they passed the same test everyone else did, because I will sure as heck want them to know what they're doing!

    To me, that's the problem. Is lowering test scores fair - to ANYONE? I don't think so.

    Just my opinion. Not trying to offend anyone here.
  11. by   alexillytom
    Quote from carolinapooh
    Here's a question - and I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but I really don't care....

    I heard on television that some fire department somewhere has just made a public committment to "hire more minorities". That's great...

    But has anyone thought that maybe they're not applying? How can you hir someone if they don't apply?

    Now I assume the counterarguement here is that they're not applying because it's considered a "white boy" club - and that's fine. But if no qualified minorities apply, how is that anyone's fault? Are they going to recruit more minorities? And if they do, will they lower test scores to get them?

    I dont' know about you, but if someone's coming in to get my butt out of my house when it's burning to the ground, I'd like to think they passed the same test everyone else did, because I will sure as heck want them to know what they're doing!

    To me, that's the problem. Is lowering test scores fair - to ANYONE? I don't think so.

    Just my opinion. Not trying to offend anyone here.

    In what instance, that you know of, have test scores been lowered for minorities? Did someone show you proof that was being done or is it an assumption? I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never encountered such a thing. I've taken the same exam to get into college and nursing school as everyone else and scored in the 98th percentile. No need to lower those standards for me. My husband took the same exam to get his government job, has an addt'l educational background that none of his coworkers can claim, has numerous comendations and financial awards for a job well done, yet he can't get promoted because a non-minority member is always more "entitled" to the position than he. Funny though, that he is expected to train said non-minority and take on some of their responsibilities because they don't get it. It's amazing how many emails and phone calls he gets because something needs to be done but they don't trust the boss to make sure it happens. He just keeps getting pats on the back and being told that he's next. The new supervisor even came in and told my husband that he didn't understand why he was picked over him, but we did. At some point, the playing field should be level. Sadly, as long as people are in charge of hiring and admittance criteria, there is always going to be some bias involved in the choices. I'm not a huge advocate of Affirmative Action but there should be something in place to offset human prejudice. The idealistic view is to make everyone measure up against the same criteria and be judged by the outcome. I just don't see that happening any time soon, and working, without removing the human factor.
  12. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    I dont' know about you, but if someone's coming in to get my butt out of my house when it's burning to the ground, I'd like to think they passed the same test everyone else did, because I will sure as heck want them to know what they're doing!

    To me, that's the problem. Is lowering test scores fair - to ANYONE? I don't think so.

    Just my opinion. Not trying to offend anyone here.
    No offense here, i completely agree.
  13. by   carolinapooh
    Quote from alexillytom
    In what instance, that you know of, have test scores been lowered for minorities? Did someone show you proof that was being done or is it an assumption? I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I've never encountered such a thing. I've taken the same exam to get into college and nursing school as everyone else and scored in the 98th percentile. No need to lower those standards for me. My husband took the same exam to get his government job, has an addt'l educational background that none of his coworkers can claim, has numerous comendations and financial awards for a job well done, yet he can't get promoted because a non-minority member is always more "entitled" to the position than he. Funny though, that he is expected to train said non-minority and take on some of their responsibilities because they don't get it. It's amazing how many emails and phone calls he gets because something needs to be done but they don't trust the boss to make sure it happens. He just keeps getting pats on the back and being told that he's next. The new supervisor even came in and told my husband that he didn't understand why he was picked over him, but we did. At some point, the playing field should be level. Sadly, as long as people are in charge of hiring and admittance criteria, there is always going to be some bias involved in the choices. I'm not a huge advocate of Affirmative Action but there should be something in place to offset human prejudice. The idealistic view is to make everyone measure up against the same criteria and be judged by the outcome. I just don't see that happening any time soon, and working, without removing the human factor.

    I know for a fact that the NC Highway Patrol has lower test scores for minorities. I know this because I have seen the score criteria sheet. My ex-fiance's father, who is a line sergeant with the patrol, showed it to me. And it's perfectly legal.

    That is one incidence where I know the separate scores exist. And if it's there, in a state-run agency, it's other places as well.

    I don't think your husband's situation has anything to do with who's qualified; I believe in that case, going on this limited information, that's just a case of he's met someone who doesn't like him. And that is wrong - and that happens to all of us at some point. And that definitely sucks.
    Last edit by carolinapooh on Jan 29, '06

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