I'm not going to lie... - page 8

Some people genuinely annoy me on here, I'm ALL for furthering education but dreading those of us who choose to start with our ADN is complete disrespect. Had my mother been healthier (she has RA... Read More

  1. Visit  PatMac10,RN profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP

    Enough said.

    Qualified in quotes and minimally competent.

    This should be nursing educations goal?
    Did I ever say that this should be our goals? If I did or implied that I apologize because that is not my belief that those should be our goals. On the contrary. I will graduate when I'm 20 and WILL be an FNP by the time I'm 24. Of course I believe continuing your education is good, I did emphasize I was starting my BSN immediately after I graduate.

    However, I am saying that it is a fact that the purpose of NCLEX is to assess that you are minimally competent. Nursing school prepared you to enter practice as a Novice nurse.

    Please don't over analyze my seemingly simple statements. I hope I've clarified my position.
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  2. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from PatMac10,SN
    Please don't over analyze my seemingly simple statements. I hope I've clarified my position.
    It's great you want to continue your education, it's such an important part of nursing.

    It's true that both ADNs and BSNs pass the same basic competency exam to enter practice. There is just so much more to nursing than basic competency and as you gain education and experience you will (hopefully) come to realize it more and more.
  3. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    Quote from Stephalump
    All you'd need to do is look at the website of a BON. There is a minimum, not a maximum. By virtue of that, you cannot accurately say it's impossible for different programs to have varying amounts of clinical time. So will have the bare minimum. Some will have more. The curriculum isn't that standardized (at least not everywhere.)
    exactly as boston has said, what i am intrested in seeing supported is the claim that adn programs regularly exceed or ever did regularly exceed these minimums while bsn programs merely meet them.
  4. Visit  PatMac10,RN profile page
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    Quote from Anoetos
    exactly as boston has said, what i am intrested in seeing supported is the claim that adn programs regularly exceed or ever did regularly exceed these minimums while bsn programs merely meet them.
    I can't speak for all places. The case in my local area is that some BSN get the same clinical time, but it's not necessarily as hands-on as some if their other clinicals will be.

    For example, one local BSN program have multiple observational experiences that count as "clinical time". My ADN program also has select observational experiences but no more than 2, if we are going to a new area or an area that is a privilege like watching open heart surgery.

    I just completed an assigned independent community mental health project where I had to have an observational experience at a mental health facility. This was not counted as clinical time, however.

    In observational experiences student simply just observe. Also where I am into last semester and dating for 4 or 5 patients with minimal oversight, our local BSN students in their last semester are caring for 1 to 3 pt. Now this is one specific school in my area.

    I know other BSN programs that give a "better" clinical experience, so that students receive a QUALITY Clinical experience. There are gear ADN and BSN programs.

    Also, I imagine it would be difficult to produce much useful statistical data on whether ADN school are going over the minimum required hours for clinical training as it can vary year to year and program to program. At our program, during our final preceptorship we can choose to do more than the required 120 hours with our individual preceptor. The last 6 weeks of our semester we are returning to regular clinical with instructors.
    Last edit by PatMac10,RN on Feb 10, '13
  5. Visit  Anoetos profile page
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    Without questioning your analysis or the size of your data set, I'll just say that it's hardly overwhelming and it's certainly not adequate to make sweeping generalizations about quality and depth of clinical education. That said, and since we're comparing experience, my own clinical immersion as a BSN student was both broad and deep. The irony is that I never hear BSN prepared nurses or students insist that they are or will necessarily be better nurses than their ADN prepared colleagues merely because of their training.
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  6. Visit  StudentOfHealing profile page
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    My ADN program has students managing entire floors alongside the charge in the last quarter, "managment". This is in addition to their own patients and assignments.

    Programs are all different.

    Good & Bad everywhere!!! (:
  7. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from StudentOfHealing
    My ADN program has students managing entire floors alongside the charge in the last quarter, "managment". This is in addition to their own patients and assignments.

    Programs are all different.

    Good & Bad everywhere!!! (:
    So how many clinical hours total for your program? How many semesters?
  8. Visit  ßåߥ profile page
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    If one wasn't better than the other, then there would be no need to further your education from an ADN to a BSN; all programs would be called one or the other.

    It is better but that doesn't mean people should boast about their 4-year degree to people with 3-year degree's just because it is. If you say you want to obtain your BSN, then you want to advance, or BETTER, your knowledge to have a more refined profession, which is you acknowledging that BSN degree holders have more knowledge and therefore have a better degree.
  9. Visit  4boysmama profile page
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    Quote from SUNFL0WER
    If you say you want to obtain your BSN, then you want to advance, or BETTER, your knowledge to have a more refined profession, which is you acknowledging that BSN degree holders have more knowledge and therefore have a better degree.
    Or it means that you're a realist and acknowledge that a BSN is the only way to advance up the clinical ladder...
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  10. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from 4boysmama

    Or it means that you're a realist and acknowledge that a BSN is the only way to advance up the clinical ladder...
    ^ This is absolutely true in my area, going forward for new grads for a while...
    Ten years ago they moved towards the "5-10 for BSN" rule...and it has arrived. In my area, there's about a dozen facilities with Magnet Status and many of those facilities that are doing research by the bedside, as well as hiring a lot of BSN-prepared nurses to go into research...When I was actively looking for a job, there were hundreds of jobs available in my area looking for nurses to be a part of research teams. At least 5 jobs had 20 positions opening in many levels, from entry to senior level, and this was outside the hospital..,these were pharmaceutical, medical device, and universities looking for nurses.

    I saw the writing on the wall when they phased out LPNs in the hospitals in my area in 2005. I would've gotten a job if I'd got my RN then, but I had to go the LPN route. And now, 8 years later, the ADN is now being "asked" to move up in my area.
  11. Visit  PatMac10,RN profile page
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    Quote from 4boysmama

    Or it means that you're a realist and acknowledge that a BSN is the only way to advance up the clinical ladder...
    Lol. I like that.
  12. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from 4boysmama

    Or it means that you're a realist and acknowledge that a BSN is the only way to advance up the clinical ladder...
    And why do you suspect that is?
  13. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP

    And why do you suspect that is?
    Supply and demand may have a thing or two to do with it...
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